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#1 rexowner

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Posted 26 June 2020 - 02:49 PM

I am seriously considering getting a new TV-85 as its size and features are a good match

for the kind of observing I plan to do.  I am really confused about one thing.

 

Why is it made in two different color schemes, Ivory or Green?

 

If I had to guess, or had to make up a story at a party, I'd say it's because the

TV-76 and TV-85 are also popular birding scopes, and birders like the green color.

E.g. the larger scopes are white only, as they're not really directed at birding.

 

Is this a good guess?  Is there some other reason?

 

If I showed up at a star party with a green TV-85, would it stand out like

a sore thumb?

 



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Posted 26 June 2020 - 02:57 PM

Most would just assume that the green 85 was a semi-standard, or optional, TV color. One or two may notice and know.

If you turned up with a gold or red one greater chance of being lynched.


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 03:01 PM

I thought the ivory just faded to green over time. 


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 03:02 PM

If I had to guess, or had to make up a story at a party, I'd say it's because the

TV-76 and TV-85 are also popular birding scopes, and birders like the green color.

E.g. the larger scopes are white only, as they're not really directed at birding.

 

 

Yes.  you've nailed it.


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 03:03 PM

I think your guess is right. Green is for birding - better for camouflage in the woods. White is for astronomy - maximizes visibility at night.


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 03:15 PM

That would be a good guess. I read somewhere that green was Al Nagler's favorite color. The original Pronto, the ancient ancestor of the TV 85/76, came only in green at first. There was also a period of time that the TV102 came with a powder coat green dew shield and focuser.


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 04:37 PM

That would be a good guess. I read somewhere that green was Al Nagler's favorite color. The original Pronto, the ancient ancestor of the TV 85/76, came only in green at first. There was also a period of time that the TV102 came with a powder coat green dew shield and focuser.

Now this sounds like the most logical answer. I own the white version. However, the green is also very cool. Like everything else, it comes down to personal preference. Buy the one that rings your bell. LOL 


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 04:45 PM

That would be a good guess. I read somewhere that green was Al Nagler's favorite color. The original Pronto, the ancient ancestor of the TV 85/76, came only in green at first. There was also a period of time that the TV102 came with a powder coat green dew shield and focuser.

That makes sense.  Browsed the Tele Vue website "Logo-Wear" and the hats have a green logo, and the t-shirts

are available in green or with a green logo.

 

Maybe I'll get a green one -- some of the things I plan on doing are terrestrial viewing.

 

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Posted 26 June 2020 - 04:55 PM

There used to be 3 choices for the TV85 as a brass Renaissance one was made.

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Posted 26 June 2020 - 04:59 PM

There used to be 3 choices for the TV85 as a brass Renaissance one was made.

Ooh I want one now!



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Posted 26 June 2020 - 05:02 PM

Ooh I want one now!

Good luck! Rare as hens teeth. 



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Posted 26 June 2020 - 05:33 PM

Not to mention the writing on TV eyepieces is green.


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 06:28 PM

The TV-101 was also available in green.


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 07:16 PM

I’ve owned ivory, brass and green versions of TV scopes over the years. I thought the green was cool and different so my remaining TV is a green 76, used for solar. In the dark it wouldn’t matter much what color it is but in sunlight the green looks distinctive. By the way, the green one seems to perform as well as its white and brass siblings did! In case anyone was wondering....

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Posted 26 June 2020 - 07:24 PM

I would pick the green. Unless they made it in black.


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 09:10 PM

I don't know the origin of the color, but I did recently order a 76 in green because I think it's beautiful. Also, the color reminds me of some old surveying equipment that I used to use. I do like white tubes (and the same color helps them all look the same to my spouse....) but I appreciated the choice.


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 01:01 AM

I have been in extensive contact with a fellow CFF owner, we both have the f/6.9 92s, he has serial #001, I have serial #002, and that's all that were made.  The others are f/6.

 

Anyhow to the point: #001 is green.  He is a birder and likes to take pictures of birds.   

 

I sort of wonder whether birds REALLY care about OTA color.  Might it not just be a customary thing that someone convinced himself that he did better with green and then everyone said "it must be so."  

 

Because mine was white, it did a stint as the "model 92" on the CFF web site.  I don't think it is still there.

 

Greg N

 

Edit:  Ooooh!  My scope is still there!!!  The GLORY IS MINE https://cfftelescope...refractor-92-mm bwa ha ha


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 08:48 AM

Canon makes their super telephoto lenses white to prevent thermal effects on performance.  For nighttime use, color would not be a factor.  So white might be better for daytime birding.

 

But then they make camouflage covers for those Canon lenses, so maybe green is better .

 

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 09:17 AM

I love my evergreen TV-85. Use it exclusively for astronomy, early / late evening and throughout the night.


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 09:17 AM

I am seriously considering getting a new TV-85 as its size and features are a good match

for the kind of observing I plan to do.  I am really confused about one thing.

 

Why is it made in two different color schemes, Ivory or Green?

 

If I had to guess, or had to make up a story at a party, I'd say it's because the

TV-76 and TV-85 are also popular birding scopes, and birders like the green color.

E.g. the larger scopes are white only, as they're not really directed at birding.

 

Is this a good guess?  Is there some other reason?

 

If I showed up at a star party with a green TV-85, would it stand out like

a sore thumb?

If someone critiques  the color of your scope at a star party, politely explain they are looking at the wrong part of the scope and point them to the eyepiecelaugh.gif .   Get the color YOU like.  It is your scope, and if you are buying a TV new, you have certainly earned the privilege.  

 

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 09:32 AM

I bought a used Televue Ranger and later a used 85. Both scopes are the evergreen color. I originally wanted the ivory color but evergreen was the color of the used scopes I ended up buying. The green co!or looks nice and has grown on me.


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 09:55 AM

I have been in extensive contact with a fellow CFF owner, we both have the f/6.9 92s, he has serial #001, I have serial #002, and that's all that were made.  The others are f/6.

 

Anyhow to the point: #001 is green.  He is a birder and likes to take pictures of birds.   

 

I sort of wonder whether birds REALLY care about OTA color.  Might it not just be a customary thing that someone convinced himself that he did better with green and then everyone said "it must be so."  

 

Because mine was white, it did a stint as the "model 92" on the CFF web site.  I don't think it is still there.

 

Greg N

 

Edit:  Ooooh!  My scope is still there!!!  The GLORY IS MINE https://cfftelescope...refractor-92-mm bwa ha ha

I've been told that white is the worst or most distracting color to wear when birding.  It probably doesn't make that much difference, especially for casual birding, but it sort of makes sense to me that bright white will stand out more.  So I usually don't wear camouflage but I do try to avoid white and wear more subdued or natural colors for my bird photography, where I often really am "stalking" and trying to get much closer to birds than they generally tolerate.  I firmly believe what matters more than color is motion.  I move as slowly as possible and then try to be still and not move at all if I can.  Ideally with patience the birds will come to me.  I know a guy who leads groups on bird watching field trips and he tells his groups, "don't point at the bird."  Some people give him a hard time about that, but over time he observed that sometimes a bird that had been happily letting a group watch it suddenly flies off right at the moment when one of the people points at it, and it happened too often for him to ignore or discount it.  With both color and motion, we're talking about a matter of probability; sometimes they don't matter.  If you're using a green TV 85 as a spotting scope on birds, it probably matters little while you're using it, because you are usually too far away from the birds.  But if you're going to walk around with it, a green scope might be a little less distracting than a bright white one.

 

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 11:00 AM

I love my evergreen TV-85. Use it exclusively for astronomy, early / late evening and throughout the night.

I like my Pronto in green, so bought an 85 in green too. I have a cream Genesis & brass 102 Renaissance, all treasured.

 

+1 in favour if a black 76 & 85 was made, as the 60 is. How about a 76 Ranger?


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 12:01 PM

I’ve never owned a Televue scope, but if I ever decide to get one, then the evergreen model would be my color of choice.  


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 12:46 PM

I’ve never owned a Televue scope, but if I ever decide to get one, then the evergreen model would be my color of choice.  

Photos don't do the green justice. Its a very fresh but not garish green. Goes nicely with wooden tripods :) .


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