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Advice: Sharpstar 100Q II v Sky Rover 115 ED APO

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#1 astro_kurt

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Posted 03 July 2020 - 12:04 PM

Hi team,

 

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I’m in the Australian market for an APO Refractor around the 550mm - 700mm Focal Length for astrophotography and am tossing and turning on either of the below, and could really use some varying points of view.

 

Sky Rover ULT 115 ED Glass Triplet 115mm APO
https://www.astronom...ctor-telescope/

 

Sharpstar 100Q-II
https://www.testar.c.../sharpstar-100q

 

I don’t have any experience with APOs, but have done a tonne of reading these past few months, enough to do my head in… but plenty to understand the gist. I’m a regular photographer with DSLR gear and have been using a SIGMA 150-600mm, and others, on a HEQ5 Pro with both a 7D I and 5D IV, guided; but am now looking to upgrade to my first APO and dedicated focal length in what I would traditionally refer to as a prime lens, but for far less cost in comparison. I’d also like to buy local.

 

I like the idea of wide field, though prefer that 600mm-700mm range for Nebule etc, with something acceptable weight wise that would still suit my HEQ5 pro, and then ease of use with my Full frame 43mm sensor DSLR.

Will look into dedicated cooled astro CCD later on, baby steps, and minister of financial affairs approval etc…

 

I know there’s a few things to consider with a nice APO, price, weight to suit mount, double v triple v quadruple design and quality, flatteners v inbuilt for the quad, resulting FL, flat field and ease of use etc…

 

I’m also aware through these forums and others that the Sharpstar is re-branded and sold under other alias’s all over the world, but similarly with the Sky Rover 115, there aren’t a huge amount of reviews singing their praises, but not trashing them either, so it’s actually been difficult to make a decision. Plus, I’ve even considered the SW 100 Esprit, it gets some really great reviews… but is that APO just a more “popular” choice, not superior? I’m still researching a lot, but thought I’d throw it on the table for a few more opinions if that’s ok.

 

Weight wise the SW 100 Esprit clicks in at 6.3kg, so that added with guiding equipment, filters and DSLR, we’re now loading up the HEQ5 Pro payload, but I have read about others who use this setup just fine and get great results, so that sounds promising. It averages around $3500.00 in Oz and it’s a triplet (or doublet with a field flattener) with an FL of 550mm at f5. It’s on the shorter FL end out of the three I’m considering, but acceptable. It comes with a D Losmandy type bar, so would need an ADM bracket or similar plate to allow it to fit on my vixen head for the mount.

 

The Sharpstar 100Q II (second version of this variant) clicks in at 5.2kg, which gives me a little more headroom on the HEQ5. I can get it around $3800.00. It’s advertised on Testar as an Petzval quadruplet, but on Sharpstar it says it’s an quartette doublet air-space design (I assume that’s the same) as in the “corrector” or “flattener” is inbuilt, so it’s a more of a plug and play APO without having to worry too much about spacing in the imaging train compared to a triplet where backspacing accuracy is required!? The 100Q II FL is 580mm at f5.8 with a FF flat field of 44mm, perfect for the 43mm 5D IV sensor. Testar also details that the objective lens includes one FPL53 Ohara glass, whereas the Sharpstar website only mentions “special ED lens”. Not sure if that is the same thing? In addition, Sharpstar website says you can use a F4.3 full-frame reducer lens (but Michael Fong from Sharpstar confirmed that there actually isn’t a reducer for the 100Q II yet) so I’m not sure why that’s advertised. I may or may not use one anyway, but would be cool to have the versatility.

 

The Sky Rover 115 APO is a triplet which clicks in at a similar 5.1kg, so that’s also nice for the HEQ5 and comparable to the Sharpstar’s 5.2kg which for my setup with guiding, filters and DSLR seems to make sense. Price at $3000.00 sounds great, especially for the native FL at 805mm at f7. It would be reduced with the 0.8x reducer/flattener to an astrophoto flat field of 42mm FL of 644mm at f5.6, also perfect for the 5d IV 43mm FF sensor. So the way I see it, the Sky Rover 115 APO gives me the greatest focal length and decent aperture at the cheapest price and it's the lightest. I just wonder if the advertised “Premier Japanese Triplet “ED” Extra Dispersion glass lens” is on par with the others FPL53?

 

So I really like the price and extra FL of the 115 APO and definitely the added flexibility being able to use it at 805mm for visual and then 644mm for FF flat field Astro, so I like that versatility. It’s supplied with a vixen dovetail so that will mount straight onto my HEQ5. I’m just not sold on ease of use though compared to the 100Q II Quad, and instead having to use the flattener and getting correctly spaced for focus etc. (Only because I have no experience doing this).

 

(I may also not really need to benefit from the 115 APO’s 805mm for visual though anyway, as I already use a Celestron C5 at 1250mm for some visual fun in that arena, albiet at f10…)

 

I also really like the sound of the Sharpstar 100Q II too, mainly because of it’s ease of use, flat field for 43mm Full Frame sensor straight out of the box, plug and play basically, I like the top handle for Guide-scope placement and it too ships with a vixen dovetail bar for mounting, plus it’s locally bench tested here in oz and it’s a comparable price against the SW Esprit 100, but it’s the most expensive out of the three.

 

The Sharpstar price compared to the 115 APO confuses me a little….. would there be $800 worth of quality difference between the Quad compared to Triplet? Is ease of use worth $800? Am I missing something? Or perhaps that’s really the only decision I have to make?

 

All three seem to list good focusers with 360 rotation for image composition, so that’s handy too. Form factors between the 100Q II and Esprit 100 are all pretty similar, the 115 APO comes in a little longer.

 

At the end of the day, there may or may not be a right answer here, and maybe I can’t really go wrong for amateur astrophotography between either of these three, which is ok, but I would really appreciate some thoughts or your experiences on the above, which for me, might give just a little more comfort in the decision I take in the end smile.gif

 

Thanks muchly waytogo.gif


Edited by astro_kurt, 03 July 2020 - 12:07 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2020 - 12:14 PM

I doubt a  115mm "premium Japanese triplet" may sell at 3000$...

Anyway, what do not like in your Sigma's performances?


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Posted 03 July 2020 - 12:32 PM

A darn good 115mm f/7 triplet for a lot less:

 

https://www.astronom...ractor-ota.html


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Posted 03 July 2020 - 12:49 PM

Thanks guys. It's probably worth re-noting I'm in the Australian market, and the prices I referred to are in Australian dollars.

Can definitely get the Sky Rover 115 APO for $3k AUD, see link in my op. Unless it's a typo, or over advertised, it's got me good. Compares almost the same as the Astro Tech version.

With the 150-600mm I notice I'm not getting a flat field at the 500 and 600 focal lengths with either the 7d aps-c or the 5d iv, even if I'm stopping down to f8 or f10 etc, and even less so promising results with the 5d since it's full frame and a much wider sensor. There's definite aberrations and my stars are not sharp across the field. That's to be expected with a telephoto zoom at its extreme ends compared to a prime.

But hey, maybe I'm expecting too much in comparison with a high quality "flat field" apo and perhaps I won't notice too much difference?

Edited by astro_kurt, 03 July 2020 - 12:53 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2020 - 12:53 PM

Thanks guys. It's probably worth re-noting I'm in the Australian market, and the prices I referred to are in Australian dollars.

Can definitely get the Sky Rover 115 APO for $3k AUD, see link in my op. Compares almost the same as the Astro Tech version.
 

Yep, I saw that.  I was comparing AT to Sharpstar, because it wasn't clear what currency the Sky Rover was in.  Admittedly, I have no idea about import and shipping charges, so that could wipe out any price difference.  Reading over the two choices you have, they both sound like great scopes, and you probably cannot go wrong with either.  Good luck in your hunt!


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Posted 03 July 2020 - 02:07 PM

You may notice improvements on star shapes by going to a refractor but not necessarily to cover the full frame.

My suggestion is therefore to give preferences to telescopes whose spot diagrams are published: typically it is shown the position for aps-c and full frame.

Those datas are published also for focal reducers and field flatteners (you'd need a field flattener for the 115mm, or other designs without the built-in flattener).



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Posted 03 July 2020 - 08:40 PM

The Sharpstar is a much better Apo that uses better glass the other scope is using cheaper glass usually the focuser is the giveaway the Chinese match their best focusers with the best glass then it’s sold under different brand.

The 100Q is perfect for what you want and perfect for your mount avoid that Skyrover terrible focuser and cheap glass Sharpstar focusers are great and their lenses.

Edited by Michaeljhogan, 03 July 2020 - 08:46 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:57 PM

I have the SVQ100FT from Stellarvue which is quite similar/same and I've been quite happy with it.

 

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