Jump to content

  •  

CNers have asked about a donation box for Cloudy Nights over the years, so here you go. Donation is not required by any means, so please enjoy your stay.

Photo

The joy of a good, small refractor

  • Please log in to reply
294 replies to this topic

#226 barbie

barbie

    Surveyor 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,643
  • Joined: 28 Jan 2013
  • Loc: Northeast Ohio

Posted 19 March 2021 - 06:43 PM

The biggest joy I get out of a small refractor(or ANY small scope) is that it can be easily transported to darker skies!!


  • scotsman328i, Veridian, Erik Bakker and 14 others like this

#227 Astrojensen

Astrojensen

    Voyager 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 14,017
  • Joined: 05 Oct 2008
  • Loc: Bornholm, Denmark

Posted 20 March 2021 - 02:59 AM

The biggest joy I get out of a small refractor(or ANY small scope) is that it can be easily transported to darker skies!!

This! When I lived in a small village, I sometimes drove to a forest clearing some miles away, where there was NO visible light pollution (from the ground). I saw some incredible things from there in my 63mm Zeiss and some of my most memorable observing sessions ever are with my 63mm in that forest. 

 

 

Clear skies!

Thomas, Denmark


  • scotsman328i, Veridian, Erik Bakker and 20 others like this

#228 Lappe Lad

Lappe Lad

    Explorer 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 50
  • Joined: 16 Aug 2014

Posted 20 March 2021 - 12:59 PM

I’m sure it’s been stated “If you’re going to trouble yourself to drive to a dark-sky site, why not bring the biggest scope you have to make the most of the observation.”

I would say that making the most of an observation is dependent on the observer’s attitude and skill set; not the equipment. Not only is it a pleasure to have a compact, light-weight scope to simplify “gearing up” for the excursion, but it is positively fascinating to see how a small telescope suddenly “becomes a bigger instrument” under truly dark skies.

The effortless function of such small scopes also gives one the opportunity to focus on the natural setting in which the observation is conducted– it completes the entire experience in a very memorable way.

 

Robert


  • Marko2, Veridian, Erik Bakker and 16 others like this

#229 barbie

barbie

    Surveyor 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,643
  • Joined: 28 Jan 2013
  • Loc: Northeast Ohio

Posted 20 March 2021 - 03:56 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself!!
  • Veridian and teashea like this

#230 Erik Bakker

Erik Bakker

    Cosmos

  • *****
  • Moderators
  • Posts: 9,404
  • Joined: 10 Aug 2006
  • Loc: Netherlands, Europe

Posted 20 March 2021 - 04:20 PM

The last two nights with wonderful viewing conditions, I just cruised the heavens with my little Nikon ED82 with it’s native 30x, 50x and 75x eyepieces. It’s images and performance stir my soul beyond all other scopes I have and ever had.


  • paulsky, scotsman328i, Veridian and 8 others like this

#231 scotsman328i

scotsman328i

    Surveyor 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,633
  • Joined: 03 Jan 2006
  • Loc: Charleston, South Carolina

Posted 20 March 2021 - 04:27 PM

I cannot agree more, Erik. That’s just the thing about a premium quality APO refractor...the sharpness, resolution and clean images just cannot be beat by the bigger SCT, Newt, Dob and Maks. Now, I love my 8” and 12” Dobsonians for truly deep DSOs, as the light gathering on dim galaxies is incredible. They are all very fine instruments that deliver much larger and brighter images of course due to their apertures. However I must proclaim that, with a trained eye, the details that can be teased out of Apochromatic refractors is absolutely staggering and second to none. 


  • Veridian, rerun, bchandler and 4 others like this

#232 BlueMoon

BlueMoon

    Apollo

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,443
  • Joined: 14 Jun 2007
  • Loc: South Central Idaho, USA

Posted 20 March 2021 - 04:38 PM

It’s images and performance stir my soul beyond all other scopes I have and ever had.

Nicely poetic sir! However, I fear I'm less eloquent, "simple is good". 

 

Be well.


  • Veridian, jcj380, Lappe Lad and 1 other like this

#233 Lappe Lad

Lappe Lad

    Explorer 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 50
  • Joined: 16 Aug 2014

Posted 20 March 2021 - 05:08 PM

The last two nights with wonderful viewing conditions, I just cruised the heavens with my little Nikon ED82 with it’s native 30x, 50x and 75x eyepieces. It’s images and performance stir my soul beyond all other scopes I have and ever had.

I have the 60mm version and it easily matches, if not exceeds, my Tak FS-60C  for intensity of star color and "pin-pointedness". Spotting scopes aren't supposed to be like that...

At any rate, I end up using the Tak a bit more for the variety of image presentations with its eyepieces. 

 

Robert


  • Erik Bakker, Terry Smith and rerun like this

#234 Erik Bakker

Erik Bakker

    Cosmos

  • *****
  • Moderators
  • Posts: 9,404
  • Joined: 10 Aug 2006
  • Loc: Netherlands, Europe

Posted 20 March 2021 - 06:06 PM

I have the 60mm version and it easily matches, if not exceeds, my Tak FS-60C  for intensity of star color and "pin-pointedness". Spotting scopes aren't supposed to be like that...

[....]

Robert

That   bow.gif



#235 Erik Bakker

Erik Bakker

    Cosmos

  • *****
  • Moderators
  • Posts: 9,404
  • Joined: 10 Aug 2006
  • Loc: Netherlands, Europe

Posted 20 March 2021 - 06:11 PM

At 75x, it shows pinpoint stars of such perfection that it makes me speechless.

 

And the clarity and contrast of say M42 and globulars are way better than it has any right to show.


  • scotsman328i, rerun and Lappe Lad like this

#236 paulsky

paulsky

    Surveyor 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 1,507
  • Joined: 17 Feb 2004

Posted 21 March 2021 - 08:57 AM

The Nikon ED82 have fluorite Lens? 

Thanks. 

Paul



#237 Bomber Bob

Bomber Bob

    Hubble

  • *****
  • Posts: 19,189
  • Joined: 09 Jul 2013
  • Loc: The Swamp, USA

Posted 21 March 2021 - 10:07 AM

The biggest joy I get out of a small refractor(or ANY small scope) is that it can be easily transported to darker skies!!

I leave my 1970s Lafayette-branded Yamamoto A-63 (60 F7) in the shed in its padded case pretty much year-round.  I don't do that with my 1984 Tak FC-50.  I worry less about the 40+ year old achro's optics / coating than the newer fluorite's in our tropical heat & humidity.  So far, so good.  And, the views are similar -- I put some work into the A-63's restore.  It provides picture-perfect Airy disks, and the false color is well-controlled.  It's always ready to use, and with our mostly partly cloudy nights, that's a big benefit for a small refractor.


  • Veridian, BlueMoon, Astrojensen and 2 others like this

#238 barbie

barbie

    Surveyor 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,643
  • Joined: 28 Jan 2013
  • Loc: Northeast Ohio

Posted 21 March 2021 - 06:15 PM

The nice thing about small scopes is that they're easy to deploy on those less than perfectly clear nights!!


  • Veridian, Astrojensen, paul m schofield and 3 others like this

#239 jcj380

jcj380

    Vanguard

  • *****
  • Posts: 2,274
  • Joined: 08 Jul 2014
  • Loc: Hellinois

Posted 22 March 2021 - 11:11 AM

The nice thing about small scopes is that they're easy to deploy on those less than perfectly clear nights!!

Or early mornings, which is what I did today.  Had about an hour before twilight began with high cloud moving through, but it was enough time to scan the Milky Way in Cygnus and spend some time on the Dumbbell with my 80mm achro.

 

Really, really, really thinking about getting an AT92 and selling off everything else.  Can't quite muster up the courage to do it yet.  


  • Veridian, BlueMoon and teashea like this

#240 BlueMoon

BlueMoon

    Apollo

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,443
  • Joined: 14 Jun 2007
  • Loc: South Central Idaho, USA

Posted 22 March 2021 - 12:36 PM

 

Really, really, really thinking about getting an AT92 and selling off everything else.  Can't quite muster up the courage to do it yet.

I know the feeling. I love my 72mm but 80mm or so would open up things just a bit more and stay GnG. I have no gripes with the 72mm at all so I can't really find justification to sell it and upgrade. My 100mm will probably find itself pier mounted in a small observatory this year so no more GnG for it. Perhaps it's a Good Thing so many desirable small scopes are still out of stock ... (I've had an WO 81 Zenithstar in my sights for months).

 

Be well.


  • Veridian and jcj380 like this

#241 jcj380

jcj380

    Vanguard

  • *****
  • Posts: 2,274
  • Joined: 08 Jul 2014
  • Loc: Hellinois

Posted 22 March 2021 - 01:24 PM

(I've had an WO 81 Zenithstar in my sights for months).

Hmmmm.   This might put a zap on your brain then:

 

https://agenaastro.c...t-flt91-tg.html

 

grin.gif


  • BlueMoon and teashea like this

#242 Terry Smith

Terry Smith

    Sputnik

  • *****
  • Posts: 31
  • Joined: 04 Jan 2008
  • Loc: Indiana, USA

Posted 23 March 2021 - 07:49 AM

The last two nights with wonderful viewing conditions, I just cruised the heavens with my little Nikon ED82 with it’s native 30x, 50x and 75x eyepieces. It’s images and performance stir my soul beyond all other scopes I have and ever had.

I had one of these ED82's a few years ago. Great spotting scope. I still have the Nikon 60EDA, plus the 50EDA and 50ED. I don't know what Nikon uses as their ED elements but they are all essentially color-free. And sharp as a tack!


  • paulsky, Erik Bakker, Lappe Lad and 1 other like this

#243 Lappe Lad

Lappe Lad

    Explorer 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 50
  • Joined: 16 Aug 2014

Posted 23 March 2021 - 05:56 PM

Nikon’s proprietary glass formulations are, for sure, a closely guarded secret!

 

https://www.imaging-...i-glass-factory

 

Their fieldscopes seem to perform like astronomy scopes, with built-in Schmidt prisms of exceptional performance. When I use my 60EDA, I pretend I’m using a rare bird – a Nikon 60mm ED telescope – close enough to their legendary 65ED for my purposes, I guess.

 

 

Robert


  • scotsman328i, Terry Smith and teashea like this

#244 Brent

Brent

    Ranger 4

  • *****
  • Posts: 339
  • Joined: 18 Nov 2004
  • Loc: Wasatch Light Dome

Posted 24 March 2021 - 01:20 PM

The last two nights with wonderful viewing conditions, I just cruised the heavens with my little Nikon ED82 with it’s native 30x, 50x and 75x eyepieces. It’s images and performance stir my soul beyond all other scopes I have and ever had.

Erik,

 

Is this the Monarch 82mm of which you write? --or an earlier version? I can only find a fixed 30X eyepiece for the Monarch.

 

Thanks and regards,

Brent



#245 rerun

rerun

    Viking 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 810
  • Joined: 22 Mar 2009
  • Loc: Germany, Europe

Posted 28 March 2021 - 10:09 AM

the joy of a good small refractor ...

 

quick sun observing  with my favorite grab 'n go scope.

 

clear skies

 

Markus

 

20210326 085428

  • jimandlaura26, paulsky, scotsman328i and 7 others like this

#246 teashea

teashea

    Apollo

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,313
  • Joined: 20 Dec 2020
  • Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA

Posted 28 March 2021 - 10:21 AM

the joy of a good small refractor ...

 

quick sun observing  with my favorite grab 'n go scope.

 

clear skies

 

Markus

 

Markus, that is a nice telescope but it looks way undermounted.



#247 rerun

rerun

    Viking 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 810
  • Joined: 22 Mar 2009
  • Loc: Germany, Europe

Posted 28 March 2021 - 10:51 AM

Hi Thomas,

 

it is very stable ,with this videotripod and videohead I can use my max. magnification of 132 x with my TOE 4mm .No shaking or vibrations. With my binoviewers , I had to use the AYO mount. Berlebach said the viedohead takes load up to 5,2Kg, the FOA60 with clamp, prism,finder  and Nagler 11mm ep is 2,8 Kg. So it is not the limit. That is why I like this combination.

 

clear skies

 

Markus


  • teashea likes this

#248 25585

25585

    Voyager 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 12,756
  • Joined: 29 Aug 2017
  • Loc: In a valley, in the UK. Dark end of the street.

Posted 28 March 2021 - 10:53 AM

I keep thinking about a FSQ-85. What are they like for visual use? My FC DL rings & TSA ED extender 1.5x are suited to one, so only an OTA is needed.

 

That old Takitis has me in its spell..



#249 Bomber Bob

Bomber Bob

    Hubble

  • *****
  • Posts: 19,189
  • Joined: 09 Jul 2013
  • Loc: The Swamp, USA

Posted 28 March 2021 - 11:50 AM

My 1984 Tak FC-50 improvements continue:

 

Tak SC EQ Restore T01 - Filotecnica Tripod (FULL RS).jpg

 

Nabbed that 1985 Tak SKY CANCER EQ on eBay.  Mint condition.  I built an 8" tall pillar this weekend that'll lift the mount away from the vintage 1960s Filotecnica Surveyor Tripod:

 

Tak SC EQ Restore S13 - 20CM Pillar for Filo Tripod.jpg

 

All I gotta do now:  Clean, sand, & repaint this stuff to match / coordinate with the Tiny Tak.


  • jimandlaura26, paulsky, Veridian and 10 others like this

#250 rkelley8493

rkelley8493

    Vanguard

  • *****
  • Posts: 2,495
  • Joined: 19 Jan 2019
  • Loc: The Emerald Coast

Posted 28 March 2021 - 12:17 PM

Here's my little bundle of joy..

Attached Thumbnails

  • fc.100.df.bach.jpg
  • sv m2 df.jpg

Edited by rkelley8493, 28 March 2021 - 12:43 PM.

  • jimandlaura26, paulsky, Veridian and 12 others like this


CNers have asked about a donation box for Cloudy Nights over the years, so here you go. Donation is not required by any means, so please enjoy your stay.


Recent Topics






Cloudy Nights LLC
Cloudy Nights Sponsor: Astronomics