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#1 STi_maXim

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Posted 05 July 2020 - 02:27 PM

Hello!

 

I've returned the Zeiss Conquest HD 10x42 binoculars and now I have the money to buy another binocular. I've found on eBay a Carl Zeiss Jena Dodecarem 12x50 B at 750 Euro, shipping included, and I was wondering if this bino is worth the price.

 

I was looking at this Zeiss or a Meopta Meostar B1.1 10x50. I don't know if this Zeiss is still competitive against modern binoculars given the fact that is 30 years old.

 

Thank you!


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Posted 05 July 2020 - 03:36 PM

Personally, I wouldn't pay that amount of money for an instrument with 30 year old coatings.
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Posted 05 July 2020 - 03:37 PM

Yes, I have one and I think its outstanding.   Others think so too.

 

https://www.allbinos...ifications.html

 

http://www.holgermer.../dodecarem.html

 

 

Maybe its how it works with my eyes but I prefer it over the more modern Nikon 12x50 SE's which get rave reviews:

 

http://scopeviews.co...ikon12x50SE.htm

 

I see another one listed for less in the UK......


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Posted 05 July 2020 - 04:39 PM

600 euro buys you a new-old-stock Docter Nobilem 12x50, the successor to the Dodecarem, from a very reputable dealer: http://www.winterspo...ptik-schilling/


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Posted 05 July 2020 - 11:51 PM

600 euro buys you a new-old-stock Docter Nobilem 12x50, the successor to the Dodecarem, from a very reputable dealer: http://www.winterspo...ptik-schilling/

They also have the Docter Nobilem 8x56 BGA but they don't answer to my emails. I will probably get the Meopta.


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 03:10 AM

Personally, I wouldn't pay that amount of money for an instrument with 30 year old coatings.

So you think they are outdated?



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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:14 AM

If you read Holger's review of the Dodecarem, you'll see it shows some ghosting on the Moon. A modern binocular in the €500+ price range would normally not do that. Therefore I find that Dodecarem overpriced.
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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:47 AM

A fair price for the CZJ Dodecarem would be around 250 EUR ($290), and even with the Zeiss T multicoatings. I have already sold my collection of the CZJ binoculars.

 

A much better choice for the astronomy and for the long range terrestrial viewing are the last manufactured series of the Docter Nobilem Porro binoculars, offered typically in the range $600 - $900.

 

A true candy for the dark adapted eyes is here,

 

https://www.cloudyni...em-8x56b-porro/

 

Otherwise, some of the sellers in Germany won't respond to the requests from the U.S., as the shipments have been locked down. Due to the Covid Order, exports to the U.S. require a registration of the exporting company.

 

Best,

JG


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 06:27 AM

A fair price for the CZJ Dodecarem would be around 250 EUR ($290), and even with the Zeiss T multicoatings. I have already sold my collection of the CZJ binoculars.

 

A much better choice for the astronomy and for the long range terrestrial viewing are the last manufactured series of the Docter Nobilem Porro binoculars, offered typically in the range $600 - $900.

 

A true candy for the dark adapted eyes is here,

 

https://www.cloudyni...em-8x56b-porro/

 

Otherwise, some of the sellers in Germany won't respond to the requests from the U.S., as the shipments have been locked down. Due to the Covid Order, exports to the U.S. require a registration of the exporting company.

 

Best,

JG

I really like that Docter Nobilem 8x56 but I can't find it for sale anywhere. I've found the older model, but the seller(Optikservice Torsten Schilling) does not respond to my messages and I am from Romania not US.



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Posted 06 July 2020 - 07:12 AM

I really like that Docter Nobilem 8x56 but I can't find it for sale anywhere. I've found the older model, but the seller(Optikservice Torsten Schilling) does not respond to my messages and I am from Romania not US.

The later versions of the Docter Nobilem Porros with the smooth armour seem to have a better optics, as the product has been improved over its lifetime.

 

You might also check this link, https://www.ebay.de/...sacat=0&_sop=10

From time to time, some interesting pair of the Docter Nobilem Porros emerges.

 

With the Covid, these are now weird times, I am sorry,

JG



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Posted 18 July 2020 - 07:20 PM

Hello!

 

I've returned the Zeiss Conquest HD 10x42 binoculars and now I have the money to buy another binocular. I've found on eBay a Carl Zeiss Jena Dodecarem 12x50 B at 750 Euro, shipping included, and I was wondering if this bino is worth the price.

 

I was looking at this Zeiss or a Meopta Meostar B1.1 10x50. I don't know if this Zeiss is still competitive against modern binoculars given the fact that is 30 years old.

 

Thank you!

HI,

 

I personally would not buy a Dodecarem for 750 EUR which i see overpriced. With 750 EUR you can buy a modern 10x50 (like APM) and if you still have the Zeiss bug, you can get a Dekarem/Jenoptem

 

As JG stated, a Docter Nobilem is another option (if still interested in vintage high quality Porros)

 

If Schilling does not answer, try Optik Service Rathenow, they sell also Zeiss binos and at the same time they have the repair workshop inherited from Zeiss Jena.  I have used Optik Service Rathenow and they are very serious and professional.

 

Meopta is also a very good choice

 

Carlos


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Posted 25 July 2020 - 01:50 AM

Thank you all for your messages. I bought a Meopta Meostar B1.1 10x50 since they are newer, they have better coatings and are more compact.


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