In a way, astronomy and astrology may have been rooted in the same ideals of star constellations, but over time science became more refined to the scientific method and discovery, while astrology became more mythological based upon the beliefs of cultures like that of Egyptians, Greeks, and modern goofiness of horoscopes and fortune cookies.
I thought this article was interesting about the "empty circle" tracked back to 2900B.C. https://www.johnprat...ellations.html
I couldn't find the linked article, but just the first paragraph of another link on johnpratt.com or for that matter the home page itself, leads my to ask if you intended it to be a choice between or?
"Adam breathed Sat 17 Oct 4070 BC pm"
Whatever may have happened in the Neolithic there was observational astronomy. We should stick to that around here and not wander off into prehistory or even the Bronze Age and certainly not into discussing how to rebut what we might now call superstition.
I said very early in this thread that it is not the job of the outreach astronomer to deprecate or rebut anyone's personal belief. We can offer our take on what we understand are scientific facts and theories. If someone says there are six planets in our solar system we can teach. If someone says that the earth was created about 4000 years ago, we can politely acknowledge that view and move on.
It does no good to treat anyone as stupid. It is offensive to suggest or imply to a stranger that he is stupid, uninformed or mistaken in what might be a deeply held belief. It is not an effective pedagogical method, for children or adults. If the person you propose to educate is a parent with children present it is doubly ineffective.
That quotation near the top of this post is a fact, thought to be established through rigorous scholarship by educated people. It was taught in some schools well into the second half of the 20th century and may still be taught in some places. You or I might laugh but what would we say to strangers who believe it to be a fact? That they are wrong? That the Bible is wrong? That Archbishop Ussher was mistaken in his calculation?
If you wouldn't get into that issue why would you want to take on any such issue with a stranger? The answer to that and to the original question is in the words, politeness, manners, and respect. We should stick to astronomy around here and maybe some history and archeology, even methodology and epistemology and stay away from modern astrology.
"It is bad enough that so many people believe things without any evidence. What is worse is that some people have no conception of evidence and regard facts as just someone else's opinion." Thomas Sowell
Edited by barbarosa, 14 January 2021 - 05:37 PM.