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#1 MrJones

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 06:02 PM

https://www.meade.co...tE9Fb1v3GLypSqk

 

This could be great or terrible!

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 06:17 PM

I had the previous ones, magnificent! 



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 06:21 PM

The UHDs seem to be knockoffs of the APM Ultra Flat Field eyepieces. They have the same focal lengths, AFOV, and number of lens elements.

 

And the PWAs seem to be a resurrection of the UWANs.


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Posted 06 August 2020 - 06:33 PM

Given the financial issues with Meade, should anything be purchased?


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Posted 06 August 2020 - 07:03 PM

Is it just me, or do these just look ugly? Too much rubber  - they remind of those giant G-Shock watches all the cool kids had in the 90s. 


Edited by AstroVPK, 06 August 2020 - 07:03 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 07:26 PM

The UHDs seem to be knockoffs of the APM Ultra Flat Field eyepieces. They have the same focal lengths, AFOV, and number of lens elements.

 

And the PWAs seem to be a resurrection of the UWANs.

I concur.  They are KunMing United Optics products and the same as the APM UFF or Altair Flat field on the one hand and the UWAN/Nirvana eyepieces on the other.


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Posted 06 August 2020 - 07:41 PM

Wow, these look really nice...

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 07:44 PM

Does Meade offer any original ( in-house designed optics) eyepieces these days, or mostly just rebrand existing Chinese lens sets?

 

The contemporary trend of multiple 'manufacturers' simply rebranding/repackaging essentially identical Chinese lens sets I find depressing somehow.

 

I remember when Meade offered high-quality eyepieces of interesting design made in Japan.

 

How times have changed...


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Posted 06 August 2020 - 10:05 PM

But PWAs ... 3 letters better than MWAS! Genius.
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 12:28 AM

Wow, these look really nice...

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Something tells me that this nice look comes for the expense of eye relief, the eye guards on both look strong grin.gif



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 12:31 AM

If they're KUO, they're stiff, but stay down when folded.



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 12:59 AM

I concur.  They are KunMing United Optics products and the same as the APM UFF or Altair Flat field on the one hand and the UWAN/Nirvana eyepieces on the other.

APM & Altair have no undercuts or tapered barrel. Win to them. 


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 11:18 AM

Does Meade offer any original ( in-house designed optics) eyepieces these days, or mostly just rebrand existing Chinese lens sets?

The contemporary trend of multiple 'manufacturers' simply rebranding/repackaging essentially identical Chinese lens sets I find depressing somehow.

I remember when Meade offered high-quality eyepieces of interesting design made in Japan.

How times have changed...


It's a good strategy for winning in a certain market segment. It's very low risk and they almost certainly have decent margins because they can use brand name to get customers. It smacks of cookie-cutter corporate leaderership - the guys at the top probably don't give a crap about astronomy and are just interested in short term shareholder value. I lived in an apartment building once that was a favorite of Wharton MBA students. One of the guys that I got to know - nice chap - was looking at a job at Sears when it was on the down. My friend wasn't particularly interested in Sears or that business segment. It was just a job for him. That's the MBA thing - they learn the numbers required to kinda sorta run a business, but I think that without a passion for what the business is all about, it can't be great.
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 11:22 AM

Does Meade offer any original ( in-house designed optics) eyepieces these days, or mostly just rebrand existing Chinese lens sets?

 

The contemporary trend of multiple 'manufacturers' simply rebranding/repackaging essentially identical Chinese lens sets I find depressing somehow.

 

I remember when Meade offered high-quality eyepieces of interesting design made in Japan.

 

How times have changed...

When did Meade ever offer in-house designed eyepieces?  Never, as far as I know.

All of their eyepieces have been designed by other companies, whether made in Japan, Taiwan, or China.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 12:46 PM

Wow, these look really nice...

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The only thing that matters for an eyepiece is what it delivers when you look through it. 


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 12:49 PM

Given the financial issues with Meade, should anything be purchased?

With eyepieces, if they work well upon arrival, they will still be working in 2 centuries, if taken care of.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 01:19 PM

https://www.cloudyni...new-ts-uwa-4mm/

 

I have the TS / Auriga version of the 4mm and it's great for globs in my 6" f/5 refractor. The above link might help anybody interested in it.

 

George



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 01:34 PM

I concur.  They are KunMing United Optics products and the same as the APM UFF or Altair Flat field on the one hand and the UWAN/Nirvana eyepieces on the other.

Don, I am curious. 

 

The primary design of all of these various 'ultra-flat' eyepieces.  Is it known who the designing firm was?

 

Was APM actually involved in the original optical design of these 'ultra-flat' lens sets?

 

 

When did Meade ever offer in-house designed eyepieces?  Never, as far as I know.

All of their eyepieces have been designed by other companies, whether made in Japan, Taiwan, or China.

Thanks Don

 

 I stand partially corrected. 

 

I appreciate your clarification that Meade has apparently not been involved in the primary optical design of the various eyepieces they have offered over the years.  I did not know this, and simply assumed too much.

 

My second point remains valid, however, in that Meade used to offer interesting quality eyepieces which were made in Japan.  Case in Point:  the Japan-made early-1990's pseudo-Masuyama 4000 series 'Super Plossl' EP's I own, which were my first eyepiece purchases.  Very good quality optics.  I believe they were manufactured by Kowa?


Edited by Thomas_M44, 07 August 2020 - 01:54 PM.

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 01:36 PM

Is it just me, or do these just look ugly? Too much rubber  - they remind of those giant G-Shock watches all the cool kids had in the 90s. 

I'm with you. 



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 01:40 PM

Wow, these look really nice...

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I think they look pretty good. Not TV or ES good, but okay. I've certainly seen FAR worse. 

 

 

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 01:49 PM

With eyepieces, if they work well upon arrival, they will still be working in 2 centuries, if taken care of.

 

I have a suspicion the long-term durability of coatings *might* be the limiting factor affecting the longevity of many (most?) current-production eyepieces.

 

I hope my thoughts about this are unfounded.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 02:00 PM

One of my favorite eyepieces was the Meade 5000 40mm SWA. It looked huge but was mostly cosmetics.

https://www.cloudyni...wa-5000-series/

But it was still high quality, similar to the current Explore Scientific version. Made by JOC, which tried to buy Meade before Sunny swept in.
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 02:17 PM

Don, I am curious. 

 

The primary design of all of these various 'ultra-flat' eyepieces.  Is it known who the designing firm was?

 

Was APM actually involved in the original optical design of these 'ultra-flat' lens sets?

 

 

Thanks Don

 

 I stand partially corrected. 

 

I appreciate your clarification that Meade has apparently not been involved in the primary optical design of the various eyepieces they have offered over the years.  I did not know this, and simply assumed too much.

 

My second point remains valid, however, in that Meade used to offer interesting quality eyepieces which were made in Japan.  Case in Point:  the Japan-made early-1990's pseudo-Masuyama 4000 series 'Super Plossl' EP's I own, which were my first eyepiece purchases.  Very good quality optics.  I believe they were manufactured by Kowa?

APM commissioned Mark Ackermann, an American, to design the Ultra Flat Field series.

They are made by KunMing United Optics (KUO).

They are now appearing under other labels.

 

There are many eyepieces out there with "flat field" in the title, but they are not these.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 02:47 PM

Both eyecups look very stiff. If they fold down I image you would need a different size cap. 

I don't care for the look of them but I have seen worse, namely Meade's 100 degree series

and some by Celestron. I already have too many excellent eyepieces and doubt I'll be checking them out.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 02:54 PM

Is APM discontinuing some of their UFFs?  I see on some sites them being listed as discontinued products.


Edited by BillP, 07 August 2020 - 02:54 PM.



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