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#26 Starman1

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 03:51 PM

Discontinuing?  Not as far as I know.  They were out of the 30mm for a short while and they're currently out of the 13x100, but they're coming in smooth and steady and I don't foresee a problem.

They'd have to be nuts to discontinue them, given the sales.

A retailer is always free to discontinue anything, though.



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 04:05 PM

When did Meade ever offer in-house designed eyepieces?  Never, as far as I know.

All of their eyepieces have been designed by other companies, whether made in Japan, Taiwan, or China.

Any idea as to what HD60 equivalents are out there?



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 04:12 PM

Any idea as to what HD60 equivalents are out there?

Celestron X-Cel LX, reputedly.



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 05:12 PM

APM commissioned Mark Ackermann, an American, to design the Ultra Flat Field series.

They are made by KunMing United Optics (KUO).

They are now appearing under other labels.

 

There are many eyepieces out there with "flat field" in the title, but they are not these.

 Interesting info Don,  thank you.

 

Wow...

 

I assume that APM would patent such a refined design as the 'Ultra-Flat-Field' eyepieces?

 

If so, has their patent expired?

 

I can only imagine it would be frustrating to develop a unique product design, only to soon see clone eyepieces appearing upon the market at cut-rate prices.

 

Perhaps there's more to the story than I am aware?


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 05:30 PM

APM & Altair have no undercuts or tapered barrel. Win to them. 

Yes to the APM. The Altair's are stainless steel, and unnecessarily heavy.



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 05:32 PM

This is China we're talking about.  Patents and trademarks are violated all the time.

It's one of the primary reasons TeleVue has stayed out of China.

It's also possible they're being made under license.  We don't know the story behind the scenes.

And the Meades are fairly close to the APMs in price, so no cut-throat pricing taking place--yet.

I'm sad to see Meade adopt the undercut grooves on the barrels instead of the smooth barrels of the APMs

or the "kerf" grooved barrels on the Altairs.

And what are these?:

https://www.telescop.../2160/e/409.uts

Sure look like KUO eyepieces, but why is the 24mm a 2"?


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 06:19 PM

It's a good strategy for winning in a certain market segment. It's very low risk and they almost certainly have decent margins because they can use brand name to get customers. It smacks of cookie-cutter corporate leaderership - the guys at the top probably don't give a crap about astronomy and are just interested in short term shareholder value. I lived in an apartment building once that was a favorite of Wharton MBA students. One of the guys that I got to know - nice chap - was looking at a job at Sears when it was on the down. My friend wasn't particularly interested in Sears or that business segment. It was just a job for him. That's the MBA thing - they learn the numbers required to kinda sorta run a business, but I think that without a passion for what the business is all about, it can't be great.

 

I have an MBA from Harvard, and I think your stereotypes are ridiculous.

 

Contributed in a major way to multi billion dollar products at Sun Microsystems

and Cisco Systems, as well as three startups.

 

Everybody who is from somewhere, or has some degree, is not alike and

you are simply displaying ignorance.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 06:41 PM

Sure look like KUO eyepieces, but why is the 24mm a 2"?

Play the video at 1:10

 

https://youtu.be/siJAk6WTIVE
 


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 08:20 PM

This is China we're talking about.  Patents and trademarks are violated all the time.

It's one of the primary reasons TeleVue has stayed out of China.

It's also possible they're being made under license.  We don't know the story behind the scenes.

And the Meades are fairly close to the APMs in price, so no cut-throat pricing taking place--yet.

I'm sad to see Meade adopt the undercut grooves on the barrels instead of the smooth barrels of the APMs

or the "kerf" grooved barrels on the Altairs.

And what are these?:

https://www.telescop.../2160/e/409.uts

Sure look like KUO eyepieces, but why is the 24mm a 2"?

I like the option of either sized barrel.   From the blurb:   1.25" barrels on all eyepieces, and interchangeable 2" or 1.25" barrel included on the 24mm


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 08:21 PM

The only thing that matters for an eyepiece is what it delivers when you look through it. 

You speaking for ALL ? 



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 08:55 PM

Given the financial issues with Meade, should anything be purchased?

If Meade goes bankrupt it’s not like the eyepieces will Suddenly disentigrate.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 09:22 PM

https://www.meade.co...tE9Fb1v3GLypSqk

 

This could be great or terrible!

PWA's are all 82AFOV and I think these look nice.

UHD vary from 60, 65, 70 AFOV ?  I don't know what they are holding constant.  And I do not care for the look of the UHD style.


Edited by faackanders2, 07 August 2020 - 09:39 PM.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 09:25 PM

If Meade goes bankrupt it’s not like the eyepieces will Suddenly disentigrate.

Not like anyone ever sends back an eyepiece for repair (except Televue)


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 09:45 PM

One of my favorite eyepieces was the Meade 5000 40mm SWA. It looked huge but was mostly cosmetics.

https://www.cloudyni...wa-5000-series/

But it was still high quality, similar to the current Explore Scientific version. Made by JOC, which tried to buy Meade before Sunny swept in.

My favorite Meade's were the 4000 UWA 84 AFOV series and these were all the rage especially the 14mm; but the 4.7mm had too close eye relief.

I do like some of the 5000 UWA 82AFOV with the twist up cap, but never liked the grease and wished it would have been dry teflon instead.

I also wanted to try the 18mm 82AFOV 1.25" in binoviewers.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 11:04 PM

Sure look like KUO eyepieces, but why is the 24mm a 2"?

It has an interchangeable 2" and 1.25" barrel.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 11:11 PM

I have a suspicion the long-term durability of coatings *might* be the limiting factor affecting the longevity of many (most?) current-production eyepieces.

 

I hope my thoughts about this are unfounded.

Multicoatings have not been around more than about 50 years I believe.  So their longevity can only be guessed.  How these coatings are deposited changes too so as long as new processes are used longevity becomes a question.

 

But there are also rubber parts here and there and cements, etc.  So lots of stuff to take them down over long times.  If you really want longevity then ask for a design with no cemented optics and everything else made of brass.  That will last a long long time.


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 12:17 AM

If Meade goes bankrupt it’s not like the eyepieces will Suddenly disentigrate.

Most decent astronomy products not abused will outlast us all.


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 06:53 AM

It has an interchangeable 2" and 1.25" barrel.

So its like their 24mm is in a 30mm barrel. Why no 30mm in the range?



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 08:22 AM

Some plusses maybe?

 

These are 2 proven successful lines of eyepieces.

 

The 30mm UHD is $20 cheaper than the popular APM UFF and Altair Astro versions.

 

The 28mm UWAN got great reviews and I don't think is available new anymore except as the Meade PWA now. And the price seems ok, although the rest of the Nirvanas are still around for much less https://www.firstlig...-eyepieces.html

 

I care more about ergonomics, especially in the dark, than what an eyepiece looks like in the light. The best part about the Meade MWAs is the rubber grips that I liked way more than I expected. The PWA ones look equally good and the UHD tulips are probably good also. Way better than the old school hard diamond finishes. Hopefully TeleVue is paying attention. laugh.gif


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 09:15 AM

These are 2 proven successful lines of eyepieces.

That's what I was thinking.  I mean, how bad could they be?
 


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 09:41 AM

Optically they may be fine...cosmetically they're butt ugly.



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 10:33 AM

This is the ugliest eyepiece I've seen in awhile.

 

http://www.televue.c...page.asp?id=242



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 10:57 AM

You speaking for ALL ? 

How exactly does the "beauty" of an eyepiece, which is completely subjective, have any impact on the performance of the eyepiece? How does the looks of something that is mostly used in the dark anyway have anything to do with how well you can see what your scope is pointed at?


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 11:35 AM

I didn’t know Meade are manufacturing ( 4K tv ultra High definition eyepieces now) 

funny how thease manufactures come up with there brand names etc oh yes got china written all over them.


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 12:34 PM

Optically they may be fine...cosmetically they're butt ugly.

They're a little different than the usual, sticking out a little, but I don't think they're ugly. There's far worse out there. 

 

 

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