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#76 rdmarco

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Posted 06 September 2020 - 10:30 PM

I would have thought it was much more; the brick that comes with it from Dell is a 130w.  I realize some of that is for battery charging, but it's a long way from 5.3w.  But from the above (and indications in the UEFI) it looks like detects if you have a suitable adapter.  When I get time I'll disassemble it, and hook up a 12v source.  The input plug is odd, but I can probably use some alligator clamps once I get it open.

FYI, they make all sorts of plug adapters, here is one set you can get:  https://www.amazon.c...99449264&sr=8-1

 

There is also this:

 

https://amazon.com/U...aps,189&sr=8-13

 

I don't think think this is an inverter, I suspect it's some kind of boost circuit. Can't be sure of power consumption, but it might be worth investigating. I also found several others.


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 12:33 PM

There are many mixed reviews on amazon for some of the companies lighter and usb ports. 

Does anyone recommend a brand regardless of source?



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Posted 10 September 2020 - 05:45 PM

Have you used the LifePO4 battery in low temperatures? Did you notice an issue? I've been focusing on Group 27 or 34 AGM myself. LifePO4 batteries are very cool though. Do you use the banana posts much and for what? Can you hook a solar panel there to charge the battery?

I have not used the LifeP04 battery in low temperature yet, but will in the near future. I use the banana post to charge the battery with alligator clips. So far so good.



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Posted 10 September 2020 - 08:07 PM

Was  thinking about skipping a big build and just wire this to a battery.

What am I missing? Any issues?

 

 

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Posted 10 September 2020 - 08:12 PM

I see fuses, so as long as it has a fuse, you should be fine.  You are missing a charger for the battery (you may have one), and if interested in such any warning when the battery voltage falls too low (unless that thing has something) and/or how much current you are using to know how quickly it is running down (again, unless that thing has such). 



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Posted 10 September 2020 - 09:10 PM

From what I could tell the Bestek can supply 1.5A USB power to each of 4 ports at same time.   Also say it can supply 200watts of '12v' power (~16amps) up to the max of the 10amp fuse...(inconsistent current rating).  It also appears to have an LED readout voltmeter to monitor supply battery voltage although couldn't tell if current is measured.

 

I suspect the 10A fuse is in the accessory plug so will limit total power available.  Draw more from USB, less available to 12v loads by that amount of amps/watts.



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Posted 11 September 2020 - 04:33 PM

My battery box continues to be a work in progress.  Much needed Power Pole connectors still to be wired in.  With calculated, measured, and actual continuous use power needs at or near 120watts I needed at least a 100Ah (nominal 1200 watt hour) battery.  The 10amp power draw arises when operating totally on battery in full UHD EAA viewing mode.  The 32" 4k monitor (via fiber optic HDMI connection) and supplemental 2-in-1 tablet add to the basic set up drain on the battery.  Fortunately I do not have to operate this way all the time where some dark sky sites allow supplemental AC power for the viewing station, and off-grid only at the scope.

 

In idle mode with the J5005 powered NUC PC turned on the daily (24hr) power use is 80-110wh.  Since the USB travel router is also on set to max power output, the local network connection and Remote Desktop connection are on there may be some power use there causing variation.  I turn off the CEM120 mount as it idles with motors 'running', to avoid excess wear.  The NUC PC is powered by a 'boost' converter which steps up '12v' to 19vDC which adds to the daily battery drain.  The NUC spec says 12v to 19v DC operation though.

 

One feature of the Victron MPPT solar charge controller is a measure of battery voltage to the millivolt.  Being a load control (and sense) unit it measures current drain on the battery to 10ths of an amp, as well as watt-hours consumed and put back. The logging feature tells me how hard I have worked the AGM (lead acid) battery.  This off-grid season new moon sessions draw between 350-500+ watt hours because I can power the viewing station on AC. 

For my heavy use nominal 10A (120w) load and anticipated 8 hour on time I would put the 100Ah battery into 'distress' level.  Pulling 80% from the battery regularly would decrease it's cycle life substantially down to about 500 cycles.  I consider myself lucky to string 4 of these heavy use view sessions each new moon.  So 12 months of that (unrealistic) puts only 50 hard use cycles on the battery a year.  The 'idle' cycle is in this battery's '6000+' cycle range, while this summer typical 250-400+ watt hour use cycle life is '4000+'.  Of course all this depends on how well and soon the battery is recharged, or allowed to sit idle in self discharge. 

 

This years ~3 months nearly continuous operation has put another 90+ cycles on the battery box. I need to change out the end plug (smaller) of the AC 12 gauge extension power cord I use to connect 200watts of 36v solar.  This will let it pass through the access hole (cut into one of the 'feet') and I will be able to shut the lid of the wheeled Pelican case and keep the spiders out.  A 10 amp temperature compensated three stage AC charger and 100w pure sine wave inverter are in box as well.

Yes the AGM battery box is pushing 100 pounds all in.  Yes a 'lithium' battery would be much lighter.  Yes the AGM battery is 1/3 the initial cost of a 100AH LifePo with BMS.  Yes the AGM operating/charging range is much broader (with reduced capacity) and without supplemental heating and associated increase in capacity to supply it.  Yes the LifePo energy density is greater.  In time I'll re-**** my needs and costs involved with an upgrade.

 

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Posted 11 September 2020 - 11:17 PM

I'm searching for the right battery to purchase for my portable setup and this new Jackery 300 looks interesting. I too am using an ASIAIR Pro but with a GEM45 mount (12v 5a power supply). I'm also using an ASI guide scope/camera and ASI 2600 camera.  

 

Jackery say that this new 300 battery is rated at 46.4Ah (293Wh), but according to the standard conversion formula, at 12v it's actually 24.4 Ah.

 

Here's their marketing blurb from their site.

UPDATED MULTIFUNCTIONAL OUTPUTS
2 PURE SINE WAVE AC outlets at 300W (peak 500W)
60W Type C power delivery(PD) port
Quick Charge 3.0 port
293Wh(46.4Ah) lithium battery

 

The following link makes me think I need a 100 Ah battery. 

https://celestialopt...e-power-supply/

 

I'd love to know for sure if this battery has more than enough power for all night imaging with my setup.

Thanks! Rick

I can kill the Jackery 240 if its hot out and my camera cooler is working hard over a full night. My solution is to connect my Jackery 500's output into the 240's charge port. It keeps it topped off and gives me plenty of reserve. I could just plug into the 500 and make it through the night on about 45 percent of the 500's capacity though. 


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Posted 12 September 2020 - 07:03 PM

You have to be careful how you word your titles...

 

Here's your battery solution:

 

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Posted 12 September 2020 - 09:49 PM

thats fluid, didn't say show me your battery fluids.



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Posted 12 September 2020 - 10:34 PM

Still working on my battery solution.  Right now I have a 27DC battery, in a boating case, maintained on a Batterytender.  I've picked up a distribution block that uses atc or ato fuses and has 8 anderson powerpole compatible sockets.  I have a Watts Up meter with power poles on each end that I can insert into the main or any device socket I'm powering to see individual loads. 

 

My USB hub is a Startech that will run on 7v but is happy with a full battery.  I have a 12v-19v adapter for my Dell pc.  The one thing I still want is one of those boost devices to make sure my mount gets a full 12v.  Going low on voltage may not mess up heaters and hubs but I've read that mounts are kinda touchy about low voltage.

 

I'm hoping to go up north to the UP next year to a camp site I've visited many times in the past. It is in a Bortle 1 zone.  It will be interesting to see how much better zone 1 is from zone 4 where I live. 

 

One of these nights I'm going to do a test run to see how long my battery will last. 

 

Does anyone run a wire from their vehicle to add charge to their battery during a session if the battery starts going low?  Outside of using the vehicle as an inefficient power source are there any problems?


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Posted 13 September 2020 - 10:35 AM

Long jumper cables would work fine to charge a lead acid battery from a vehicle.  Start the vehicle before making the final connection.  It might be prudent to disconnect the astro equipment before charging, as the vehicle alternator output will be above 14v initially and not super clean power.


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Posted 13 September 2020 - 12:12 PM

You have to be careful how you word your titles...

 

Here's your battery solution:

 

 

Lol.. 'solution' lol.gif You must've studied Chemistry graduate.sml.gif

 

Though not something I crafted myself, here's what I use.

 

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Posted 13 September 2020 - 12:20 PM

Kinda pricey at $450.  I could get another Delos and have about $100 left over.tongue2.gif



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Posted 13 September 2020 - 04:51 PM

My battery box continues to be a work in progress.  Much needed Power Pole connectors still to be wired in.  With calculated, measured, and actual continuous use power needs at or near 120watts I needed at least a 100Ah (nominal 1200 watt hour) battery.  The 10amp power draw arises when operating totally on battery in full UHD EAA viewing mode.  The 32" 4k monitor (via fiber optic HDMI connection) and supplemental 2-in-1 tablet add to the basic set up drain on the battery.  Fortunately I do not have to operate this way all the time where some dark sky sites allow supplemental AC power for the viewing station, and off-grid only at the scope.

 

In idle mode with the J5005 powered NUC PC turned on the daily (24hr) power use is 80-110wh.  Since the USB travel router is also on set to max power output, the local network connection and Remote Desktop connection are on there may be some power use there causing variation.  I turn off the CEM120 mount as it idles with motors 'running', to avoid excess wear.  The NUC PC is powered by a 'boost' converter which steps up '12v' to 19vDC which adds to the daily battery drain.  The NUC spec says 12v to 19v DC operation though.

 

One feature of the Victron MPPT solar charge controller is a measure of battery voltage to the millivolt.  Being a load control (and sense) unit it measures current drain on the battery to 10ths of an amp, as well as watt-hours consumed and put back. The logging feature tells me how hard I have worked the AGM (lead acid) battery.  This off-grid season new moon sessions draw between 350-500+ watt hours because I can power the viewing station on AC. 

For my heavy use nominal 10A (120w) load and anticipated 8 hour on time I would put the 100Ah battery into 'distress' level.  Pulling 80% from the battery regularly would decrease it's cycle life substantially down to about 500 cycles.  I consider myself lucky to string 4 of these heavy use view sessions each new moon.  So 12 months of that (unrealistic) puts only 50 hard use cycles on the battery a year.  The 'idle' cycle is in this battery's '6000+' cycle range, while this summer typical 250-400+ watt hour use cycle life is '4000+'.  Of course all this depends on how well and soon the battery is recharged, or allowed to sit idle in self discharge. 

 

This years ~3 months nearly continuous operation has put another 90+ cycles on the battery box. I need to change out the end plug (smaller) of the AC 12 gauge extension power cord I use to connect 200watts of 36v solar.  This will let it pass through the access hole (cut into one of the 'feet') and I will be able to shut the lid of the wheeled Pelican case and keep the spiders out.  A 10 amp temperature compensated three stage AC charger and 100w pure sine wave inverter are in box as well.

Yes the AGM battery box is pushing 100 pounds all in.  Yes a 'lithium' battery would be much lighter.  Yes the AGM battery is 1/3 the initial cost of a 100AH LifePo with BMS.  Yes the AGM operating/charging range is much broader (with reduced capacity) and without supplemental heating and associated increase in capacity to supply it.  Yes the LifePo energy density is greater.  In time I'll re-**** my needs and costs involved with an upgrade.

 

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"The NUC PC is powered by a 'boost' converter which steps up '12v' to 19vDC which adds to the daily battery drain.  The NUC spec says 12v to 19v DC operation though." The boost converter is not needed here, as you suspect. I run my NUC all the time at 12-13 volts. It was designed for that. Nice build, have you considered a voltage regulator?
 



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Posted 13 September 2020 - 04:59 PM

I can kill the Jackery 240 if its hot out and my camera cooler is working hard over a full night. My solution is to connect my Jackery 500's output into the 240's charge port. It keeps it topped off and gives me plenty of reserve. I could just plug into the 500 and make it through the night on about 45 percent of the 500's capacity though. 

So you use the 500 to top off the 240? Good idea. I have a prymax 298wh unit and one of the new Jackery 300's. Never have needed more than what one unit supplies for 6-7 hours. That's with full dew heaters and cooling to -10 with my qhy163C. At that level of cooling, the camera averages like 10 watts. It will peak at 17 watts in initially, but quickly drops once target temp in reached.
 


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Posted 13 September 2020 - 05:19 PM

Is anyone using a 19.5v converter to get to their laptop voltage as opposed to an AC Inverter?  It seems pointless to invert to AC then back to DC again (and probably inefficient). 

 

I'm guessing my laptop is my biggest draw of current by far. 

 

I need to build something for the day eventually when I might actually go somewhere with my setup. 

I have done it for years. We use to take the laptop with us camping and used it for watching movies during bad weather and checking email. I have done it while running my setup as I use a 12v Deep cycle battery to run everything.



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Posted 13 September 2020 - 05:36 PM

Lol.. 'solution' lol.gif You must've studied Chemistry graduate.sml.gif

 

Though not something I crafted myself, here's what I use.

 

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I also use off-the-shelf power supply. Depending on power requirement, I pick right (the lightest weight and time to power) one for a session.

 

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Posted 13 September 2020 - 05:53 PM

I also use off-the-shelf power supply. Depending on power requirement, I pick right (the lightest weight and time to power) one for a session.

 

 

Tammy

I like your style waytogo.gif The Yeti 400 can power my Atlas Pro mount for the whole night [5-6 hours] and only use about 6-8% of the battery's juice. I never have to worry about it losing its charge. A worthy investment applause.gif



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Posted 13 September 2020 - 06:03 PM

I like your style waytogo.gif The Yeti 400 can power my Atlas Pro mount for the whole night [5-6 hours] and only use about 6-8% of the battery's juice. I never have to worry about it losing its charge. A worthy investment applause.gif

 

Yes, Yeti 400 is more than sufficient for my astro use, too.  I added larger one Yeti 1400 as emergency power supply after we had to evacuate from wildfires.  It has enough power to keep laptops, cellphones etc running for some time :)

 

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Posted 13 September 2020 - 06:31 PM

Here is my $100 solution for storage and battery. The toolbox cost me $70 and around $30 for the ports. I had the wire and connectors. It has a group 24 Deep cycle battery in the bottom (which I all ready had also), a middle box for storing larger items, and a top box which I store cables, caps, covers, a few small tools, adapters, etc. It has a small 1.5A 12v battery charger in the bottom also so when I am done for the night, I just wheel it into the garage and plug it in. Once this battery dies I will buy a nicer Life4Po most likely. I installed a red LED light for seeing around my setup during the night so I do not have to worry about tripping over something. It has 4 12v plug ins, 1 battery meter, 4 USB ports which 2 are 2.0 and 2 are 3.0 QC.
I can run my ZWO533 and 120mini along with the ASIair and keep my tablet charged with no problem for 8 hours+ quite easily.
PS: Why do I feel like I am back in 1995 when I try to upload pictures on this forum? What a pain!

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Posted 13 September 2020 - 07:39 PM

What's a good portable DC ammeter to check battery drain?  Any recommendations?



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Posted 13 September 2020 - 07:59 PM

@mountainman, I like your setup. Mobility built in is too smart...I wouldn't of thunk it. Gonna do just that.

 

You got a picture of the battery innards? 


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Posted 13 September 2020 - 08:22 PM

@mountainman, I like your setup. Mobility built in is too smart...I wouldn't of thunk it. Gonna do just that.
 
You got a picture of the battery innards?

Here you go. The wood it to keep the battery from moving while being transported. Battery charger is in the bottom right side.

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Posted 14 September 2020 - 02:21 PM

This is my total DC power usage from a 6 hour imaging session last night. I set auto dew on the power box, the total power was more than I expected. (dew heaters on all the time)

 

HEQ5 mount

QHY163C camera cooled to -10

ZWO EAF focuser

ZWO 120 mini guide scope

Intel NUC (celeron)

Pegasus pocket powerbox

 

 

 

 

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