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#1 hypergolic

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Posted 05 September 2020 - 04:56 PM

Has anyone notice a big price hike on ES refractors?

 

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Posted 05 September 2020 - 05:03 PM

yes I just saw that, they want to take back the money lost during the pandemic, either the manufacturer or the distributor.



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Posted 05 September 2020 - 06:32 PM

So let’s see, an ES 102 ED with aluminum tube and FCD100 for $1900 or a Vixen SD103S for $1,700...

Maybe Vixen isn’t the beginning of the high end anymore.

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Posted 05 September 2020 - 08:07 PM

The price increases are due to newly implemented import tariffs and associated fees.

 

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Posted 05 September 2020 - 09:43 PM

I've seen enough complaints about loose dew shields that I've been turned off of the brand for a while now. Eye pieces seem nice though.


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Posted 06 September 2020 - 12:58 AM

I've seen enough complaints about loose dew shields that I've been turned off of the brand for a while now. Eye pieces seem nice though.

I just got an ED102CF, haven't really used it yet but I can see what people have said about the dew shields...

 

But at the same time, it's one rubber band away, or a velcro strap away from a simple, reliable DIY fix.



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Posted 06 September 2020 - 11:04 AM

I bought a new AR152 a couple months ago for $697. I love, love, love the low-power views through it.

 

I just bought their $499 Bresser 102S Comet Catcher (from Newegg) for $240. Having it delivered to my parents who live in North Dakota, for wide field sweeping of the Milky Way. I'll report back when I hear what they think of it. 



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Posted 08 September 2020 - 11:47 AM

Looks like ES didn't like my purchase through NewEgg. I received an email from NewEgg saying the the seller cancelled the order. 



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Posted 08 September 2020 - 11:55 AM

This may be related to the price hikes I have noted for SVbony/astronomia.  But tariffs cannot account for these price hikes, which are on the order of 400 or 500%--to near U.S. prices for a Vixen dovetail.

 

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 11:59 AM

See what I posted last year: this adapter was $35.  Hah!  I should have bought bushel.

 

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 11:59 AM

"Looks like ES didn't like my purchase through NewEgg. I received an email from NewEgg saying the the seller cancelled the order."

 

I highly doubt that "ES didn't like" your purchase.  I suspect that the problem was Newegg.  Do a search on their current ratings.  I wouldn't buy from Newegg and, considering the little circumstances you mentioned, I hope you managed to get all your money back.  

 

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 12:05 PM

I paid with a credit card so I'll be getting my money back, one way or another. 

"Looks like ES didn't like my purchase through NewEgg. I received an email from NewEgg saying the the seller cancelled the order."

 

I highly doubt that "ES didn't like" your purchase.  I suspect that the problem was Newegg.  Do a search on their current ratings.  I wouldn't buy from Newegg and, considering the little circumstances you mentioned, I hope you managed to get all your money back.  

 

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 08:12 PM

"Looks like ES didn't like my purchase through NewEgg. I received an email from NewEgg saying the the seller cancelled the order."

 

I highly doubt that "ES didn't like" your purchase.  I suspect that the problem was Newegg.  Do a search on their current ratings.  I wouldn't buy from Newegg and, considering the little circumstances you mentioned, I hope you managed to get all your money back.  

 

Patrick

I don't think I'd buy a scope from Newegg.  On the other hand I've been buying my desktop components from them almost exclusively for about ten years.  Four builds in total I guess (not all for me).  Electronic gizmos I do indeed buy from Newegg.  

 

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 08:24 PM

I used to buy computer components from Newegg also but I had a bad experience with them back quite a while ago so started buying elsewhere.  Looking at reviews online, it seems they have gone completely downhill in more recent times.  Looking at their website today for the first time in years, it seems like they no longer specialize in anything other than trying to make a buck.  

 

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 09:38 PM

I used to buy computer components from Newegg also but I had a bad experience with them back quite a while ago so started buying elsewhere.  Looking at reviews online, it seems they have gone completely downhill in more recent times.  Looking at their website today for the first time in years, it seems like they no longer specialize in anything other than trying to make a buck.  

 

Patrick

They send me targeted ads that are computer stuff and only computer stuff.  Works for me.  They've always been pretty good to me.

 

I think the thing is, that some of these firms treat established repeat customers better than those who drop in.  Perhaps it should not be that way, and it may not make sense.   But I think you get more leeway with an established relationship.

 

One of the things I discovered about Newegg is that like Amazon and like Wal-mart and others, they off listings of independent firms.  I have had some things take awfully long from those vendors.  I am careful now to select the option that only lists Newegg goods.  If the Newegg goods are not what I want I may go elsewhere.  

 

I'm sort of stuck they have a complete record of my purchases going back a decade so when I want to know when I purchased an item all I have to do is check my account.  

 

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 08:14 AM

I just got an ED102CF, haven't really used it yet but I can see what people have said about the dew shields...

 

But at the same time, it's one rubber band away, or a velcro strap away from a simple, reliable DIY fix.

Fine if buying pre-owned maybe, but buying new, there should be no defects on any make.


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Posted 11 September 2020 - 12:43 PM

I have the Explore Scientific FCD100 127mm Carbon Fiber. I've had exactly zero problems with the dew shield. It's been a great scope so far.



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Posted 11 September 2020 - 01:33 PM

Fine if buying pre-owned maybe, but buying new, there should be no defects on any make.

Is it mildly inconvenient? - Yes

 

Does it break the core functionality of the instrument? - No

 

Can you fix it for less than 1% of the cost of the instrument? - Yes

 

Can you easily apply the fix for less than 1% of the cost of the instrument? - Yes

 

Is it worth complaining about? - No

 

I bought my ED102CF for less than half of its retail price, I **** sure won't be complaining about the iffy dew shield. (In my limited experience, it stays put anyways)


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Posted 11 September 2020 - 03:53 PM

Wow! It has seemed to me that the price has been steadily increasing little by little over the past 1.5 years but this jump (it has been some time since I looked) is huge.  The 127ED, even the FCD-1, is not inexpensive, at least by my standards.

 

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Posted 11 September 2020 - 04:46 PM

I was kinda looking at the AR152, but a grand for an achromat is a non-starter.



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Posted 11 September 2020 - 05:41 PM

I was kinda looking at the AR152, but a grand for an achromat is a non-starter.

I think that's a lot money for an achromat no matter how you slice it... :(



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Posted 11 September 2020 - 06:03 PM

I was kinda looking at the AR152, but a grand for an achromat is a non-starter.

It's was on sale for $749 for several weeks.  



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Posted 11 September 2020 - 07:09 PM

ES inventory must be getting low, hence raising prices to slow sales and improve margins. When inventory levels recover they will offer sales again. More than any other astro gear company, with ES, the sale price is the regular price. They frequently adjust price, probably to manage inventory and balance supply and demand.

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Posted 11 September 2020 - 07:27 PM

Yep and they done balanced me on the side of "no way". 

 

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Posted 12 September 2020 - 10:47 AM

It is interesting how institutionalized ES prices of yesteryear are. People still recommend their eyepieces as excellent values as if they were still a fraction of the price of TV. If you get an eyepiece 90% as good as TV for 90% of the price of TV, is that still a great value? Ok, back to refractors...
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