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Vintage Carl Zeiss Jena Scope for sale. Should I go for it?

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#1 Agustin Barrutia

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 01:46 PM

Hello there!

Lurking online I found someone offering locally a very nice Vintage CZJ scope with mount, tripod and accessories. Images attached in this post. 

Doing some research I found out it could be an 80mm or a 110mm Refractor made around 1920s. According to the lenght of the tube including bronce focuser (157cm or 62,5inches ) it should be an 80mm Scope. But what is making me doubt is the finder, as looking at different images from catalogues of the era, the finder came on the 110mm model. 
Any idea no how to identify the real model prior of looking at the glass and inscription on it?? I've seen several images in this forum and online of the glass on these Scopes and that thats where I will find real info regarding what type of Scope is it. The owner of the scope doesnt know much about it and I'm affraid of asking to look at it and maybe break or misshandle it. 

They are asking 1500usd for it complete with boxes and accessories.

Any insights if this is a good buy will be greatly appreciated. 

 

thank you very much!

 

Agustin

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#2 Astrojensen

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 01:54 PM

That's the real deal. $1500 is a ultra, ultra low price for such a scope (it's a 110mm, from what I can see) and all those accessories. $15,000 is a more accurate estimate, by all accounts...

 

If you can really get it for $1500, I suggest you buy it NOW. 

 

 

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#3 Agustin Barrutia

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 01:59 PM

Thank you very much Thomas for your fast answer! 

 

Indeed its a 110mm then!? thats great news!

That's the real deal. $1500 is a ultra, ultra low price for such a scope (it's a 110mm, from what I can see) and all those accessories. $15,000 is a more accurate estimate, by all accounts...

 

If you can really get it for $1500, I suggest you buy it NOW. 

 

 

Clear skies!

Thomas, Denmark


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 02:32 PM

Agustin, it is a very very nice masterpiece telescope! Do you have  the pictures of the objective lens?


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 02:38 PM

I'd jump on it ASAP!

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BTW, The seller probably doesn't know much about telescopes since the OTA is backwards in the mount.


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 04:03 PM

That is definitely a steal at that price. 



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Posted 08 September 2020 - 04:42 PM

So an old German telescope turns up in Argentina. Hmm hmm.gif


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#8 Agustin Barrutia

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 04:46 PM

Thanks everyone! What should I check and look Up to when In front of the Scope to be sure it’s in good condition? Apart from aesthetic details and clear optics.
I’ll go tomorrow afternoon to his place.

Cheers!
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#9 Agustin Barrutia

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 04:53 PM

So an old German telescope turns up in Argentina. Hmm hmm.gif



Yes! There are some very fine and beautiful scopes from that era here in Argentina. At the AAAA they have a couple of big Old zeiss scopes And an amazing 22cm Gautier Refractor on an equatorial mount With a mechanical tracking Machinery.
https://es.wikipedia...e_la_Astronomía

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 05:35 PM

Will have tomorrow when I go pick it up!

Agustin, it is a very very nice masterpiece telescope! Do you have  the pictures of the objective lens?


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 06:51 PM

So an old German telescope turns up in Argentina. Hmm hmm.gif

I’m surprised there was room in the U-boat for it! :lol:


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 07:08 PM

Look at those accesories alone!



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Posted 08 September 2020 - 08:35 PM

Thanks everyone! What should I check and look Up to when In front of the Scope to be sure it’s in good condition? Apart from aesthetic details and clear optics.
I’ll go tomorrow afternoon to his place.

Cheers!

Nothing.  It is worth more than $1500 for just the accessories.  You will own a beautiful piece of optical history.  Congrats!  Go in the morning...there are likely people trying to find the ad right now to buy it.


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 01:21 AM

Even over here in Germany, where Zeiss scopes are more common, you're going to pay that much for your basic Telementor with tripod and accessories. A scope like that is a ince in a lifetime opportunity.
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#15 Agustin Barrutia

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 09:20 AM

Thanks everyone for your messages! If I had any kind of doubt about buying it, it disappeared completely heheh. Will post images and details about it when I go pick it up!
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Posted 09 September 2020 - 09:43 AM

Thanks everyone for your messages! If I had any kind of doubt about buying it, it disappeared completely heheh. Will post images and details about it when I go pick it up!

Good luck!  Looking forward to seeing more pics after purchase!



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 10:32 AM

Nice find. The price is about what I paid for my Zeiss AS 110/1650 from 1924. But it was without mount, much less accessories and original was just lens and focuser, very similar to the one on your pictures.

https://www.fzu.cz/~...ss_AS110en.html

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 01:17 PM

Hmm is right.  Provenance?  Mossad hotline?

 

 

So an old German telescope turns up in Argentina. Hmm hmm.gif



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:37 PM

Why would anyone not put this on for auction??? I can't believe how some sellers give away a treasure like this for nothing. Congrats to the buyer. A true treasure trove. Looking forward to see some detail shots.



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:14 PM

Hey there! I have the scope and accessories with me already. Will upload images soon. It’s MASSIVE!
 


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:50 PM

Hey there! I have the scope and accessories with me already. Will upload images soon. It’s MASSIVE!
 

Agustin, congrats on your new scope! it is really a gem!  I cannot wait to see the objective and the first light pictures!!!



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 05:03 PM

Congratulations on your acquisition.  smile.png



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 05:48 PM

After some examination and googling online I found out its a 110mm Altazimuth scope on Floor stand. The OTA comes with Finder and counterweight. it measures close to 170/180cm long.

The lens its a E objective number 219, with a focal distance of 165cm (Serial number 10970). The Code name is ASAND on a 1920 catalogue. 

It comes complete with Original Floor Stand, and Original Case with a beautiful Carl Zeiss Jena badge and Caps for the scope and a special Cap with a smaller circle opening. 
The accessories are too many!! In the LOT came some binocular accessories that I think belong to microscopes rather than Astronomy. 

The lens has some slight fungus inside an needs to be cleaned.  

Uploading images for you to see. The mounted scope image has an Argentinian Malbec wine on the Stand for size reference. 

 

Any insights on where I can learn to use the accessories and what are they for will be greatly apreciated!

 

Thanks once again for your messages and insights! 

 

 

 

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 05:50 PM

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 06:26 PM

Oh boy...




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