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#26 Terra Nova

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:23 PM

In the thread Linked Below, It appears that the serial numbering does not directly correlate the Gregorian calendar in common use outside of Japan but instead correlates to the year of the emperors reign.

 

https://www.cloudyni...rs#entry9616372



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:30 PM

Just got off the phone with Brian @ LS&S:  My 8424 serial number means, 1984, 24th FC-50 made that year...

 

Why the green color?  Most likely, repainted...  Or, an unscrupulous previous owner put an old label on a newer model.  But, most likely, got the 1984 version re-painted in the newer color.  LS&S sells the Tak paint;  but, many Tak owners have the painting done by vendors like LS&S...

 

Tak apparently made a ton of FC-50s before the FC-60s superseded them.

 

Brian also mentioned that my FC-50 may have been a test / transitional model, and got the green paint as a test.  Seems it's more scratch resistant than the Battleship Gray...

 

In any event, leave it to Ol' BB to get an Oddball Takahashi...  Can I pick 'em, or what??


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:33 PM

Yet more discussion about changes and interpretations of the Serial Numbers:

 

https://www.cloudyni...serial numbers

 

It appears that Takahashi has changed their method of serialization at least three times. It’s quite a kettle of fish so to speak. 



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:35 PM

Just got off the phone with Brian @ LS&S:  My 8424 serial number means, 1984, 24th FC-50 made...

 

Why the green color?  Most likely, repainted...

Well now you are saying something on the subject that I can agree with! :lol:


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:39 PM

Just got off the phone with Brian @ LS&S:  My 8424 serial number means, 1984, 24th FC-50 made that year...

 

Why the green color?  Most likely, repainted...  Or, an unscrupulous previous owner put an old label on a newer model.  But, most likely, got the 1984 version re-painted in the newer color.  LS&S sells the Tak paint;  but, many Tak owners have the painting done by vendors like LS&S...

 

Tak apparently made a ton of FC-50s before the FC-60s superseded them.

Now that was not that hard to do.   Now you know without all this speculation of what it could be. 


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:44 PM

Now that was not that hard to do.   Now you know without all this speculation of what it could be. 

Yes, but...  I don't have any physical evidence of it; and, it's not straight from Takahashi.

 

Truth:  If I'd stayed on the phone with Brian too much longer, I'd have bought something -- super nice guy.


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:57 PM

Yes, but...  I don't have any physical evidence of it; and, it's not straight from Takahashi.

 

Truth:  If I'd stayed on the phone with Brian too much longer, I'd have bought something -- super nice guy.

but, but , but, get over it JW.  You have the information you need. waytogo.gif


Edited by starman876, 09 September 2020 - 02:59 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 03:05 PM

Well now you are saying something on the subject that I can agree with! lol.gif

That makes me nervous...

 

On Topic:  I didn't ask Brian about the Number + Letter serial numbers -- someone else can make that call...


Edited by Bomber Bob, 09 September 2020 - 03:10 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 03:06 PM

wait      so it is settled?   I am late to the debate...….

 

Tak  FC-100

serial number= 90033     Was told it was   1990

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 03:09 PM

Tak FS -128  

Serial number 03027

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 03:10 PM

wait      so it is settled?   I am late to the debate...….

 

 

serial number= 90033     Ws told it was   1990

sounds right


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 03:11 PM

Tak FS -128  

Serial number 03027

call Tak and find out.


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 03:11 PM

wait      so it is settled?   I am late to the debate...….

 

 

serial number= 90033     Ws told it was   1990

Yes, yours is the 33rd FC-100 made in 1990...


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 03:16 PM

call Tak and find out.

En Re:    FS-128

Rolo said it was end of 1999 beginning of 2000

 

 

 

 

P.S.   It has been awhile since I pulled it out of its hiding place    and man is it big


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:16 PM

Just got off the phone with Brian @ LS&S:  My 8424 serial number means, 1984, 24th FC-50 made that year...

 

 

 

And then there is this:

“My Taka FC76 is number 6450 and it's from 1986 (by the way, great 3"!”- CN Member Marcus Roman
 

And there is the original owner paperwork to back it up.

 

https://www.cloudyni...c100/?p=9615329

 

The following post clears things up further with regard to #6450. 64 is indeed the year of production, but it is not a date determined by the year of our Lord  (anno Domini or A.D.), but rather the year since the birth of the Emperor (Hirohito). Since the Emperor was born in 1922 A.D., then telescope #6450, dating from year 64 was made in the year 1986 A.D. which corresponds with the paperwork.

 

Therefore, if the above correlation is correct, (and there is supporting owner paperwork, ie. A DOCUMENT), and your contact at Texas Nautical stated that 84, (the first two numerals in your serial number) is the year of production, then your scope was made in 2006 A.D. (1922 + 84 = 2006). 

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:25 PM

If it was repainted, they also changed out the objective because yours is multicoated which Takahashi did not do until October 1986. 

 

I still say the five digit serial numbers have a two digit year and the four digit SN has only the last number of the year. 
 

Since the FS series replaced the FC series in 1994, at least we know it’s older than that. 


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:36 PM

And CN member Rolo has a grey trimmed FC-50 and in another thread he says: “Mine says 7183 so it's either no.183 of 1987 so either they continued beyond 1986 or the last two digits 1983.”

https://www.cloudyni...ives/?p=8041897

 

And the post immediately following his states: “Maybe, no.183 of 1987 .......Tak wrote Lime green started in 1988 at their web site.  The year 1987 was my misunderstand. and 'MC' started late 1986. Blue grey with 'MC' was about one year running.

Every most of Blue grey without MC might be foggy in these days. You're so lucky. I've forgotten my FC-50 objective was replaced from 1988 lime green. The original FC-50 was so foggy. Sorry for my mistake.“

 

https://www.cloudyni...ives/?p=8041794
 

So the monkey wrench fell in a kettle of fish that is filled with muddied water! :confused:


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:41 PM

wow    so much good banter and info here

 

the link to the thread    that Terra referenced  was great  as well

 

Then in that thread    was   an August 2017  thread by Rollo  called   Classic Fluorite arrives    where   again  questions are discussed in a friendly way and knowledge is conveyed

 

Here's a sample post from that one 

 

Posted 10 August 2017 - 10:23 AM

rolo, on 10 Aug 2017 - 08:33 AM, said:

 

Thanks Hiromu. Do you know if the last two digits of the serial number is the production year?

The first digit shows the year of 80's, in case of blue grey paint. Mine is 6213= no.213 made in 1986

in '90, first two digit shows the year.

 

 

1986 was the last year of blue grey paint, and nearly starting year of 'MC'.  MC was announced in late 1985.

Blue grey with 'MC' is rare compared to lime green.


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:43 PM

Brian stated that with the FC-50, Tak used the YY##(#) as the serial number.  I didn't ask him about other models.  He had no doubt that mine was one of the "very old ones" -- 1984, #24 that year...

 

See Johann:  This is why I want something in writing from Takahashi / Japan.  A phone call with a USA Tak Rep ain't gonna cut it with this crowd...

Did you ever think that Brian might be just as confused as everyone else? Look at Rolo’s. His is grey trimmed and has a number lower than yours (#7183), and they are thinking its from the 80s. (They definitely weren’t making them in the 1970s!) And we have a grey-trimmed FC-76 # 6450 and paperwork proving it was from 1986.

 

I’m beginning to think no one really knows how to work the numbers, they make no sense. Each thing seems to contradict something else.


Edited by Terra Nova, 09 September 2020 - 06:44 PM.

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:43 PM

For grins, here’s my FC-50 in early metallic grey before the battleship grey. It does have a newer objective. SN 82063 (For whatever that means). 
 

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:44 PM

Barry! LOL! Great minds think alike!


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:46 PM

My Tak FC76 was bought new (I still have receipt somewhere) in 1986 and it’s serial number is 6450...

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 05:08 PM

You guys might no sleep right tonight with all these issues on serial numbers.  So let me get this straight.  You do not trust what one of the leading retailers of Tak products on their reports on serial numbers.  That seems logical foreheadslap.gif  Looks like you guys are going to have to figure this out on your own.  Who knows what you will come up with.  I can loan you my Green Lantern magic decoder ring if that will help smirk.gif


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Posted 09 September 2020 - 05:43 PM

I’ll sleep like a baby. The whole SN thing is interesting, but what matters is what you see when you look through one of these fine little refractors.
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Posted 09 September 2020 - 05:48 PM

I’ll sleep like a baby. The whole SN thing is interesting, but what matters is what you see when you look through one of these fine little refractors.

I never see the serial number when I look through a Tak smirk.gif  The serial number thing is quickly settled by contacting the mayfacturers rep.   




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