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#26 Chuck Conner

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Posted 13 September 2020 - 09:39 PM

I've always had a high sensitivity to color, so it was very noticeable to me. I'd say it lead to me to entering the arts and my love of telescopes.

 

Many males suffer from varying degress of color blindness, so I've always felt rather lucky.

 

That begs the question, do you other guys see the difference between the tube clamp's color and the focuser and cell? 

I can see stronger color saturation on the clamp as apposed to the cell but the hue looks the same on both parts.

 

My wife could see colors that I didn't know existed. I had to ask her to look at a resistor's color band, that I couldn't discern. I ask, " was it blue or violet?" (it has to be one or the other to be part of the standard color code)  She replied ,"It's neither." and 

 named it as a color that I think only women know about, which was no help to me....


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Posted 19 September 2020 - 07:33 AM

No mention of teegul 60?

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I wish comeday I can see one in person. Don't see that design everyday, other than vixen shuttle scope which is kind of similar.


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Posted 19 September 2020 - 06:27 PM

Here is my Tak FC-50 along with a rare tabletop tripod that I think was official but I have little information on it.  I have a finder but I don't use it for this scope, and the FC-50 reducer and camera angle adapter as well.

 

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 06:51 PM

Here is my Tak FC-50 along with a rare tabletop tripod that I think was official but I have little information on it.  I have a finder but I don't use it for this scope, and the FC-50 reducer and camera angle adapter as well.

 

Derek

Nice set up. The tabletop tripod is Tak, it was introduced in 1982 and you are right, they don’t show up very often. The reducer is also pretty rare. 


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:20 AM

Hi everybody,

 

i have the occasion to buy a complete TS 65/900

but i have no  idea what it's worth is.

Any ideas ?

Thanks 


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:33 AM

I've always had a high sensitivity to color, so it was very noticeable to me. I'd say it lead to me to entering the arts and my love of telescopes.

 

Many males suffer from varying degress of color blindness, so I've always felt rather lucky.

 

That begs the question, do you other guys see the difference between the tube clamp's color and the focuser and cell? 

YES! 



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Posted 29 October 2020 - 11:10 AM

Hi everybody,

 

i have the occasion to buy a complete TS 65/900

but i have no  idea what it's worth is.

Any ideas ?

Thanks 

It's an achromat, worth more of the value since it's the first takahashi. It's quite rare, but for performance it's better to get a TS 65/1000 which is a semi apo triplet.


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 12:14 PM

Thanks for the timeline Terra.  One puzzle piece that’s missing:  ASC... Stephen (Stargoat) did the research on how ASC morphed into AO around 1957/58... yet Gala says Kojima founded AO in 1954...  so I wonder if Gala uses AO but should say ASC — the way we say Royal when we mean AO...  I have some of the docs, and it’s ASC that started in 1954...  

 

IIRC, the first time I saw Kojima was as the creator / designer of the first 60mm F15 GEMs that became standard in the 50s & 60s — like my 1956 SS151 & 1964 Monolux 4380 & the Tasco 7TEs... pretty much all of those imports.  Interesting to me that he was involved in so much with these Classics, and at so many companies.

 

So our AVA Swifts aren’t Taks... they were ancestors of Taks... gotta take the bad with the good I guess...


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 12:18 PM

So our AVA Swifts aren’t Taks... they were ancestors of Taks... gotta take the bad with the good I guess...”

 

I look at it this way JW, in a way, they seem to be the last in the line of Royal Astro Optical and I count that as a pretty wonderful ancestry and pedigree! waytogo.gif


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Posted 30 October 2020 - 09:23 AM

It's an achromat, worth more of the value since it's the first takahashi. It's quite rare, but for performance it's better to get a TS 65/1000 which is a semi apo triplet.

  I have already purchased a TS 65/1000, it will arrive soon.

 I can't wait to try it 


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Posted 01 November 2020 - 10:04 AM

  I have already purchased a TS 65/1000, it will arrive soon.

 I can't wait to try it 

Congrats, they are very nice scopes. I’ve had both the 500mm and 1000mm versions. Shouldn’t have sold the 1000mm. 



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Posted 01 November 2020 - 11:47 AM

I've always had a high sensitivity to color, so it was very noticeable to me. I'd say it lead to me to entering the arts and my love of telescopes.

 

Many males suffer from varying degress of color blindness, so I've always felt rather lucky.

 

That begs the question, do you other guys see the difference between the tube clamp's color and the focuser and cell? 

I learned I had partial color blindness about 5 years ago, reds are muddy-brown and greens are yellow-brown to me - I recall having many arguments with others about the state of my dying lawn over the years until I found that out...

So while ya'll may see Mars as "Red Planet", for me it's red by name only. sigh2.gif 

I can discern no differences in the clamp/cell colors. However, video screen hue and saturation levels are different all over the map so that may also be a factor.



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Posted 01 November 2020 - 03:47 PM

Congrats, they are very nice scopes. I’ve had both the 500mm and 1000mm versions. Shouldn’t have sold the 1000mm. 

I've been curious..how wide is the OTA diameter of the TS-1000? Are the cells/focuser threaded onto the tube?



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Posted 02 November 2020 - 08:40 AM

I've been curious..how wide is the OTA diameter of the TS-1000? Are the cells/focuser threaded onto the tube?

 

There are two different TS-65/1000 scopes, with two different' OTA diameters.  I have both, can measure them in coming days if nobody beats me to it.

 

One of them is the same size tube as the 500mm version, the other is much larger and was offered on the same mount as the TS-80, but the TS-80 used two counterweights.

 

There is only mention of one of the TS-65/1000 models on the Tak History website, but since I have both, I know they both existed.  LINK

 

I will post more information and pics as time permits.   


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Posted 02 November 2020 - 05:01 PM

There are two different TS-65/1000 scopes, with two different' OTA diameters.  I have both, can measure them in coming days if nobody beats me to it.

 

One of them is the same size tube as the 500mm version, the other is much larger and was offered on the same mount as the TS-80, but the TS-80 used two counterweights.

 

There is only mention of one of the TS-65/1000 models on the Tak History website, but since I have both, I know they both existed.  LINK

 

I will post more information and pics as time permits.   

I've been noticing through pictures, and I agree.

 

It's not widely known though, one version is common compared to the other, as well as having older fittings compared to the new one. What I noticed is the different cell model. I noticed they also sold in different packaging, some on the cardboard box and some on the usual wooden box.

 

Recently a 65/1000 was sold, but interesting thing is that the box actually labelled as TS-65DE. 

 

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The common ones, sold with listing equatorial mounting type D:

 

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The rather uncommon ones:
 
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Posted 02 November 2020 - 05:03 PM

One of them is the same size tube as the 500mm version, the other is much larger and was offered on the same mount as the TS-80, but the TS-80 used two counterweights.

So similar to goto tactic, use the 80mm tube, just cut it on different length for different scope, I assume. The smaller one sounds like it comes earlier!



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Posted 03 November 2020 - 11:02 AM

So similar to goto tactic, use the 80mm tube, just cut it on different length for different scope, I assume. The smaller one sounds like it comes earlier!

 

No, both TS-65 tubes are smaller than the TS-80 tube, which I remember is 95mm OD.  I had to use a pair of Parallax rings because I don't have Tak 95mm clamshell.   The TS-80 does not fit the clamshell on either of the TS-65 mounts.  

 

I'm hoping to measure both TS-65 tubes next weekend.  Not a chance before then, sorry!


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Posted 10 November 2020 - 12:54 PM

Hi everybody,

 

i have the occasion to buy a complete TS 65/900

but i have no  idea what it's worth is.

Any ideas ?

Thanks 

Hello Gianluca,

 

I bought my complete set for under $1k about three years ago. It was from 1970, so not the earliest (S/N 70863).

 

Did you purchase the one offered to you?



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Posted 10 November 2020 - 06:21 PM

The Rare FCT-65 (Top)

The popular FC-50 (Bottom)

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Posted 10 November 2020 - 07:38 PM

Here’s my FC-60 on a Zeiss T1 mount and tripod:

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Posted 27 November 2020 - 06:17 AM

No, both TS-65 tubes are smaller than the TS-80 tube, which I remember is 95mm OD.  I had to use a pair of Parallax rings because I don't have Tak 95mm clamshell.   The TS-80 does not fit the clamshell on either of the TS-65 mounts.  

 

I'm hoping to measure both TS-65 tubes next weekend.  Not a chance before then, sorry!

any updates for this?



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Posted 27 November 2020 - 01:34 PM

I owe you an apology, I hurt my back right after posting that, and haven't been able to pull the Taks out to measure.  Had a 10- lb. lifting limit imposed by my doctor but feeling better now so will see if I can do it this weekend.  Thanks for your patience!


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Posted 29 November 2020 - 09:33 PM

TS-65 No. 75038 from 1975:    Tube OD:  70.7mm  (Assumed 70mm nominal tubing with primer and paint.)   This one has the same tube OD as the shorter version.  They fit each other's mounts interchangeably. 

 

Cell detail.

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Focuser detail.

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TS-65 No. 79075 from 1979.  Tube OD:  77.1mm   (Assumed 77mm nominal tubing with primer and paint.)

 

Cell detail:

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Focuser detail.

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Note that while both telescopes use the exact same objective, the early model uses the smaller diameter tube, with a concave fillet on the objective cell fairing, and a smallish focuser.  The later model, with a larger diameter tube, has a straight bevel for the objective cell fairing and a larger focuser with coarse-focus, pull-type drawtube, essentially a clone of that used on the Swift 831 and the Tech. Inst. Corp. 77x1000mm scope.

 

The later model TS-65 uses a much larger, more robust and heavier mount.  It appears to be the same mount used on the TS-80 but with 2 counterweights instead of one.  I have not tried the Takahashi clock drive on the larger mount yet, though it does fit the mount for the smaller one, as well as the P-type short mount for the TS-65 short version.  I love using the P-mount, with it's Polaris reticle, with the clock drive, on the tall tripod legs with the long TS-65.

 

Sorry it took so long, but I got them dug out with my wife's help tonight.  I had packed them up late last month after using them during the warm weather much of the summer, then suffered a back injury that turns out is going to be with me a while.  frown.gif

 

It just takes longer to get to stuff now, lol.  Thanks for your patience!


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Posted 30 November 2020 - 01:31 AM

Wait isn't it the other way around?

 

From what I often see seems that the 1979 version has fillets on the bevel,

https://page.auction...tion/w414093020

https://page.auction...tion/p808035896

 

While the earlier version is just a circular bevel?

https://item.rakuten...kaeru/t2558869/


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Posted 30 November 2020 - 08:33 AM

Wait isn't it the other way around?

 

 

With the examples I own, what you see is fact.  I haven't altered any serial numbers.  The earlier serial number has the smaller tube, fillet on the objective fairing, and small focuser.  The later serial number has the large tube, straight bevel, and large focuser.

 

With this information, it seems that the production of the two versions was not sequential, but simultaneous.

 

Very curious since I don't see the distinction in the advertising of the day.


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