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#1 SonnyE

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Posted 15 September 2020 - 11:31 PM

I'm wanting to add binoculars into my Astronomy experiences.

Basically, I leaped over observing into Astrophotography. Now I want to add some big binoculars into my fun out in the backyard, and when out camping.

I have Photography tripods and heads. But I think a parallelogram would enhance the experience for both of us, and the BIL and SIL.

So I'm open to suggestions and links if anybody has them.

 

Currently the Orion Monster or the Oberworks Maple caught my eye.



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Posted 15 September 2020 - 11:48 PM

Have you considered building a parallelogram?  Lots of ideas and designs on the internet.  I used the ideas and design on http://www.astro-tom...cular_mount.htm to guide me in building mine.  Pay particular attention to the extra rotation points at the binocular mount.  They allow covering much more of the sky without having to get up and move your chair.  I find a zero gravity chair to be the perfect match.

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 12:22 AM

I've done two lengthy write-ups of my experiences with mounting and using my Oberwerk 20x80s and APM 25x100s on a parallelogram. Hopefully, some of the info will be helpful:

 

https://www.cloudyni...arpoint-p-gram/

 

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#4 SonnyE

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 03:29 PM

Have you considered building a parallelogram?  Lots of ideas and designs on the internet.  I used the ideas and design on http://www.astro-tom...cular_mount.htm to guide me in building mine.  Pay particular attention to the extra rotation points at the binocular mount.  They allow covering much more of the sky without having to get up and move your chair.  I find a zero gravity chair to be the perfect match.

Thanks Napp!

Just what I was hoping to see.

Boy, the gears are turning now. I have a partially completed camera rail project I could easily reboot and turn into a Parallelogram project.

I'm picking up and dusting off various mount heads and day dreaming.

 

Good possibility I will build something though. At least until I give up, or succeed. tongue2.gif

 

I actually live in The Local Groups Town. Small world!


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Posted 16 September 2020 - 09:50 PM

I bought one from Orion about 12 years ago. Very sturdy (and heavy) and works well. It will hold up to five pounds. 



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Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:24 PM

A parallelogram mount and zero gravity chair is the way to go.

 

I bought a Universal Astronomics UniMount many years ago and still use it.  They are closed.  I use it with 25x100 and 20x80 bins.

 

Oberwerk sell the Farpoint UBM if you don't to build one.  

 

Enjoy what you get.



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Posted 16 September 2020 - 11:04 PM

Hi SonnyE,

 

When I needed a mount for my 14x80 binoculars I looked at the parallelogram route and decided that it might be too complicated to make and remain stable. I decided to take a more simple approach and it has worked well for the past 30 years.  Pictures are easier than words.

 

Doug.....

 

 

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 11:07 PM

Hi SonnyE,

 

Another photo that wouldn’t load before.

 

Doug.....

 

 

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 11:29 PM

Hi SonnyE,

 

When I needed a mount for my 14x80 binoculars I looked at the parallelogram route and decided that it might be too complicated to make and remain stable. I decided to take a more simple approach and it has worked well for the past 30 years.  Pictures are easier than words.

 

Doug.....

Nice work, Doug.  But if you can build that you can easily build a regular parallelogram like mine in Post #2.  It’s extremely stable and you can use a zero gravity chair to comfortably observe right up to the zenith.  Here are additional photos which show the additional degrees of motion allowing observing more of the sky without having to move the chair and the balancing adjustment for the binoculars.  For binoculars with a balancing bar the binocular mount becomes much simpler.  For whatever reason Cloudy Nights rotated the second photo to the left.

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 11:53 PM

Hi Napp,

 

Nice work there too.  My friend built a parallelogram version for his 14x80s when I built mine and we found that the two pivot points on mine were much more simple to construct than deal with the many that are found on a typical parallelogram.

 

Doug.....



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Posted 17 September 2020 - 04:03 AM

This looks like it could be adapted for binoculars.

 

Neewer 70 inches/177 Centimeters Aluminum Alloy Jib Arm Camera Crane with 1/4 and 3/8-inch Quick Shoe Plate, Counter Weight for DSLR Video Cameras,Load up to 8 kilograms/17.6 pounds https://www.amazon.c...i_VxYyFbWKAYEJJ



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Posted 17 September 2020 - 08:23 AM

This looks like it could be adapted for binoculars.

 

Neewer 70 inches/177 Centimeters Aluminum Alloy Jib Arm Camera Crane with 1/4 and 3/8-inch Quick Shoe Plate, Counter Weight for DSLR Video Cameras,Load up to 8 kilograms/17.6 pounds https://www.amazon.c...i_VxYyFbWKAYEJJ

Seems like you'd have to do an awful lot of adaptation. All it does is raise-and lower the camera; the parallelogram itself doesn't even swivel.



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Posted 17 September 2020 - 01:28 PM

It would rotate or pan via the tripod head as any attached camera etc would.

 

Doug.....


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 03:51 PM

I love the look and warmth of the wood mounts. They are beautiful!

 

For what I have in mind, I'm leaning toward Napp's type. Simply able to hold the binoculars as they are raised, lowered, or moved to allow new objects or adjust to the same ones, without moving the zero gravity chair.

I friend of mine brought some of those (chairs) to his Perseid Meteor Shower party and they were very nice to recline in and just enjoy the sky.

 

Mind you, I have only done hand held binocular observing at this point, so I have a lot to learn about this.

 

OK, now sit down so you don't fall laughing at this Rube Goldberg....

 

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I think I can clearly see a Parallelogram in my future. lol.gif wink.gif

 


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 04:18 PM

If you want ready made, Oberwerk sells the Farpoint UBM for $279. and your surveyor's tripod is perfectly suited for it.  It's a copy of the well regarded Universal Astronomics Unimount Dlx. that many of us purchased over the years.  It will handle up to a 25x100 straight bino and it incorporates all the degrees of motion you'll need.

 

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 04:32 PM

OK, now sit down so you don't fall laughing at this Rube Goldberg....

 

I think I can clearly see a Parallelogram in my future. lol.gif wink.gif

 

It's not how something looks - it's how well it works!  waytogo.gif

 

I will warn you there is a risk using a zero gravity chair - the risk that if you get too comfortable you could fall asleep!  sleepy.gif


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 05:54 PM

I use and can recommend  Orion monster parallelogram for 10# class binoculars.


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Posted 19 September 2020 - 10:51 AM

It's not how something looks - it's how well it works!  waytogo.gif

 

I will warn you there is a risk using a zero gravity chair - the risk that if you get too comfortable you could fall asleep!  sleepy.gif

That risk is real, Napp!

I fall asleep in a regular patio chair, and in my desk chair.

 

But then, I do have a reputation for being able to sleep anywhere.... 

 

Cobble and kludge, a couple of things I do well. wink.gif


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 11:56 AM

OK, New Binoculars are on the UPS truck and out for delivery today.

 

I was out running my mount last night, looking up, wishing I had my Binoculars. Sigh!

 

Maybe tonight!


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 02:27 PM

OK, New Binoculars are on the UPS truck and out for delivery today.

waytogo.gif    Which ones?????



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Posted Yesterday, 12:31 AM

waytogo.gif    Which ones?????

Celestron 20X80 Skymasters.

Nothin really special, but special to me.

Cause their my first and only big Binoculars.

I usually start on the mediocre end of the scale.

Or the poopy end of the stick, if you will. lol.gif

 

I really, really, really want a P-Gram.

$150 binoculars, on a $500 P-gram. Sounds like something I'd do. tongue2.gif blush.gif wink.gif

But I'm wading into the water.



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Posted Yesterday, 11:36 PM

Here is my mount that can take25-30 pound easily.

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