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#51 dan_1984

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Posted 20 September 2020 - 12:33 PM

But will be poorer afterwards. 

Buying scopes makes you poor, but happy!!


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Posted 21 September 2020 - 07:30 PM

Takahashi's are poor mans AstroPhysics Telescopes.

 

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Posted 21 September 2020 - 07:46 PM

Takahashi's are poor mans AstroPhysics Telescopes.

 

..Ralph

Well not really.  The TOA 130s cost more than AP 130s.  But Taks are available.  


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#54 PowerM3

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 01:36 AM

Takahashi's are poor mans AstroPhysics Telescopes.

 

..Ralph

Ralph, in a way I agree with you on a lot of levels about Taks. I have had a number of them(FC-50, FS-60, FS-128, FSQ-106) and in all honesty I was never blown away by them... Yes they are good scopes but nothing special besides the FS-128 having the best contrast of any scope I have owned(over 100). I know that you have owned a few of them that are even nicer then me and from what I can garter these days  we can both agree there are a lot of good choices besides Taks for the $$$. 



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Posted 22 September 2020 - 03:06 AM

Takahashi's are poor mans AstroPhysics Telescopes.

 

..Ralph

Tele Vues maybe, Taks not.



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Posted 22 September 2020 - 04:07 AM

Takahashi's are poor mans AstroPhysics Telescopes.

 

..Ralph

It's the impatient man's Astro-Physics lol.gif


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 06:26 AM

Ralph, in a way I agree with you on a lot of levels about Taks. I have had a number of them(FC-50, FS-60, FS-128, FSQ-106) and in all honesty I was never blown away by them... Yes they are good scopes but nothing special besides the FS-128 having the best contrast of any scope I have owned(over 100). I know that you have owned a few of them that are even nicer then me and from what I can garter these days  we can both agree there are a lot of good choices besides Taks for the $$$. 

Over 100 refractors or over 100 scopes?



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Posted 22 September 2020 - 07:36 AM

Takahashi's are poor mans AstroPhysics Telescopes.

 

..Ralph

That is an interesting definition of Poor!

 

JMD


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 07:37 AM

It's the impatient man's Astro-Physics lol.gif

THIS makes a bit more sense to me!

 

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 07:48 AM

Astro-Physics are what you order when you hope to have offspring, same as booking a  place at a posh school & college for said offspring.



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Posted 22 September 2020 - 07:54 AM

Maybe there's a market for telling "Takahashi" stickers so people can put them on their non-Takahashi scopes.  Kind of like those that put extra badges/emblems on their cars.  smile.gif

I've thought about putting a bumper sticker on my Coulter at star parties: "My other scope's a Takahashi"


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 09:00 AM

Astro-Physics are what you order when you hope to have offspring, same as booking a  place at a posh school & college for said offspring.

Or putting your name on the list for Packersā€˜ season tickets. 


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 09:30 AM

You order an Astro Physics, then you buy a Tak till the AP comes in.  Thats how it works.

 

...Ralph

 

 

Well not really.  The TOA 130s cost more than AP 130s.  But Taks are available.  


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 09:39 AM

You order an Astro Physics, then you buy a Tak till the AP comes in.  Thats how it works.

 

...Ralph

Yup, then sell the AP and call the guy you sold the Tak to and beg for it back. I've seen more than a few AP130 Starfire6.3s that did not perform as well as they are touted to. The TOA130s are much more reliably outstanding optically than the modern AP130s. Heck, the bespoke Parallax/AT130 of legend has consistently matched or out performed all of the AP130 Starfires at gatherings. 


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 10:18 AM

  These two sites show both are listed as the same price:

 

  https://www.astro-physics.com/130gtx

 

  https://www.landseas...-refractor.html

 

  ...Ralph

  

 

 

 

Well not really.  The TOA 130s cost more than AP 130s.  But Taks are available.  



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Posted 22 September 2020 - 11:35 AM

This thread has really gone off the rails for the last 2 pages... no mention of AT60.... AP vs. Tak debates... Ah... the joys of pontificating on CN


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 11:56 AM

This thread has really gone off the rails for the last 2 pages... no mention of AT60.... AP vs. Tak debates... Ah... the joys of pontificating on CN

Because the AT60ED is not even close to being even a poor man's Takahashi. And based on objective size and cost some APs are cheaper than a similar size objective Takahashi. 

 

A poor man's Takahashi is gonna need to have at the very least an FPL-53 ED element or better yet a Fluorite element and be on the slower side to really be a poor man's Takahashi  contender. 


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 12:56 PM

Over 100 refractors or over 100 scopes?

Over 100 scopes total. Probobly only about 25 refractors. 


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 12:58 PM

Takahashi's are poor mans AstroPhysics Telescopes.
 
..Ralph



As for anywhere in Europe, this is most certainly not the case! shrug.gif

Edited by Fomalhaut, 22 September 2020 - 12:59 PM.

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 01:00 PM

Because the AT60ED is not even close to being even a poor man's Takahashi. And based on objective size and cost some APs are cheaper than a similar size objective Takahashi. 

 

A poor man's Takahashi is gonna need to have at the very least an FPL-53 ED element or better yet a Fluorite element and be on the slower side to really be a poor man's Takahashi  contender. 

AT60ED does have the FPL 53 mated with the Lanthanum, see post 2.  If the finish and focuser is comparable to my AT 80ED, then it is really quite good, approaching those of my AP and TV focusers, paint, rings, etc..   Barring a quality control issue (which astronomics will take care of), I am sure it is a very nice little scope.  Does it match a Takahashi in every way, probably not.  There is more to the optics than just color correction, and that is what you are paying for with the Tak(I know you know this Chip;-).   But the AT is undoubtably a very nice scope, and if that is what you can afford, I would not loose sleep worrying about how much better the view through a Takahashi is.   

 

Cheers!

 

JMD


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 02:18 PM

AT60ED does have the FPL 53 mated with the Lanthanum, see post 2.  If the finish and focuser is comparable to my AT 80ED, then it is really quite good, approaching those of my AP and TV focusers, paint, rings, etc..   Barring a quality control issue (which astronomics will take care of), I am sure it is a very nice little scope.  Does it match a Takahashi in every way, probably not.  There is more to the optics than just color correction, and that is what you are paying for with the Tak(I know you know this Chip;-).   But the AT is undoubtably a very nice scope, and if that is what you can afford, I would not loose sleep worrying about how much better the view through a Takahashi is.   

 

Cheers!

 

JMD

I am familiar with the AT60ED having owned one. Optically the AT60ED was just not competitive, even my SV60EDs which were faster seemed slightly better optically, mechanically the SVs were way better and the SVs were better balanced tubes. The poor man's Takahashi will need to be a much slower scope to get close even using FPL-53 and careful lens production. This is why I don't see much in the 55-60mm range other than maybe the Vixen FL55SS as potential poor man's Taks and it really doesn't fit well either. I broke it down earlier in my thread. 


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 07:24 PM

Because the AT60ED is not even close to being even a poor man's Takahashi. And based on objective size and cost some APs are cheaper than a similar size objective Takahashi. 

 

A poor man's Takahashi is gonna need to have at the very least an FPL-53 ED element or better yet a Fluorite element and be on the slower side to really be a poor man's Takahashi  contender. 

Sorry, but I completely disagree. I have owned 2 different AT60ED and a couple of Tak-60CBs and they were all very close. I am excluding the extender from this comparison.


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Posted 23 September 2020 - 12:10 AM

You order an Astro Physics, then you buy a Tak till the AP comes in. Thats how it works.

...Ralph


That's no joke. That's exactly how it works. I bought my tak used, the FS 128.

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Posted 23 September 2020 - 12:17 AM

These two sites show both are listed as the same price:

https://www.astro-physics.com/130gtx

https://www.landseas...-refractor.html

...Ralph


I'm not sure that price includes all the gizmos that you got to have in order to make the thing work. Tak has the gizmo thing down. Even more than AP which has its share of gizmos.

Last time I priced one out the Tak came in as more expensive. But available. I'm sure exchange rates and other factors can influence the relative price position of the two scopes. But in a sense it doesn't matter because the GT130 is a scope you can't buy!

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Posted 23 September 2020 - 01:26 AM

my colorful new FauxA-150ED-less.

Was a steal at $4000 

rmb

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