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Best binoculars for stargazing absolute beginner around $200?

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#26 Nate1701

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Posted 23 October 2020 - 06:29 PM

what is the difference?

If you search around on this forum - you will find comments to the effect that the Extreme's have a bit better optics, water proof and better eyerelief ( comfort and using glasses) over  the Aculon / Action ( non Extreme).

 

I suggest the Action Extreme or Bushnell Legacy. For a bit more money you get a lot more value. They are lifetime binoculars - and if your eyesight changes and you need to view with glasses in years to come... piece of cake.

 

I don't have much Roof prism experience and many say they are just as good, others say there is some 'spikeyness' to the stars from Roofs. However that being said - i just recommended to a friend to buy a Nikon 7S 8x42  ( on sale ) for ( beginner) star gazing - since the person has a small build and i figured 8x is easy on the shakes, and a roof is compact and lighter to carry and store. They are borrowing my 10x50 now to get a feel for the difference in view and weight. This could be pertinent to you as well.

 

Barring Image stabilized - if i could only have ONE - it would be a 12x50. I like my pentax a lot for the money. And the Action Extreme 12x50 are Legendary on this forum.

BUT as already stated - 10x50 also is a bit wider and brighter and easier to use. 10x50 is a standard universal all round general purpose no nonsense do everything jack of all trades ( yes... master of none)  configuration. 12x gets a bit more detail... but you have to have practice steadying it.

 

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#27 Mark9473

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Posted 23 October 2020 - 07:03 PM

Nikon Action Extreme and Action (now Aculon) do not have the same optics.

 

what is the difference?

There are several reports in the pinned archives; here's one of them:

https://www.cloudyni...x40-action-vii/



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Posted 23 October 2020 - 08:11 PM

I thought we were comparing the Action to the Action Extreme--Aculon as of today, not the older Action 7 from several years ago--there might have been a difference back then--

 

I can only speak of current models--I do like the rubber eyecups of the older model Action-the Aculon of today ig--I personally prefer a 7x50 format.



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Posted 24 October 2020 - 06:53 AM

what is the difference?

 

The eye relief is a dead giveaway.  In general, the Aculons have about 12mm eye relief, the Action Extremes about 17 mm.  

 

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 07:19 AM

The eye relief is a dead giveaway.  In general, the Aculons have about 12mm eye relief, the Action Extremes about 17 mm.  

 

Jon

Yes! Field of view too. Even though the Aculon has less eye relief than the EX, it does have a wider field. 



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Posted 24 October 2020 - 08:56 AM

When comparing the current Aculons to the current Action Extremes, both bins seems to share the same lenses, same coatings, same prisms same FOV and same ECO-glass.

 

The difference appears to be in the housing--obviously the EX Extreme is waterproof with different armor and graphics and weight.  I am looking at the 7x50s now--Optical specs are almost identical.  Very minor close focus difference could be from small differences in chassis demensions due to armor/waterproofing.

 

 

This design has not really changed in a long time--the market for Porro instruments is limited and is getting smaller--what other options are out there in a porro bin?

 

The classic 7x35 design will never go out of style--both versions will serve the viewer well for years!

 

 

I see the 7x35s Aculon are on sale for 59.95--great deal!  Could not pass that up--


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Posted 24 October 2020 - 09:52 AM

 The Aculons are described as having  "aspherical elements" (possible molded plastic?). None of the AE have that description. The AE have "fully multicoated" while the Aculons have  "anti reflection multicoated". I think being FMC is considered  a step up from MC. The Aculons generally have less ER than the equivalent AE with one exception. The 16x50 Aculon has a wider FOV and a better ER listed  (b and h photo specs). I do wonder about that.  I have no dogs in this hunt.   Regards, Pat



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Posted 24 October 2020 - 11:48 AM

My stats are direct from Nikon--none listed as FMC

 

 

 

Interesting--



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Posted 24 October 2020 - 12:13 PM

When comparing the current Aculons to the current Action Extremes, both bins seems to share the same lenses, same coatings, same prisms same FOV and same ECO-glass.

 

The difference appears to be in the housing--obviously the EX Extreme is waterproof with different armor and graphics and weight.  I am looking at the 7x50s now--Optical specs are almost identical.  Very minor close focus difference could be from small differences in chassis demensions due to armor/waterproofing.

 

 

This design has not really changed in a long time--the market for Porro instruments is limited and is getting smaller--what other options are out there in a porro bin?

 

The classic 7x35 design will never go out of style--both versions will serve the viewer well for years!

 

 

I see the 7x35s Aculon are on sale for 59.95--great deal!  Could not pass that up--

 

The 7x50s Aculons are unique because they have a narrower Afov than the others and thus more eye relief.

 

The fact that other eye relief, the specs are similar does not mean the optics are similar.  The specs on my 10x50 Orion Ultraviews are very similar to the Action Extremes but they were made in Japan and obviously not the same when using them.

 

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 12:49 PM

When comparing the current Aculons to the current Action Extremes, both bins seems to share the same lenses, same coatings, same prisms same FOV and same ECO-glass.

Sure there are many similarities, but they cannot have the same eyepieces yet radically different eye relief. 


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#36 Supergiant

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 04:06 PM

Where is the 'radically different eye relief'?



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Posted 24 October 2020 - 04:12 PM

My most used binocs are a pair of Nikon Prostaff 8x42mm and a Redfield 7x50mm. I doubt if the Redfield is easy to fund.

Look at deep sky objects. You can bag around 50 of the 110 Messier objects with humble binocs. For planets and the Moon, save up for a decent telescope.

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 05:11 PM

OK- this post comes with the caveat that the specs are not from nikon but b and h photo

AE = action extreme

ACU=aculon

7x35AE 9.3 deg fov/17.3mm ER

7x35 ACU 9.3 deg FOV/ 11.8mm ER

 

8x40AE 8.4 deg FOV/17.2mm ER

8x42 ACU 8 deg FOV/ 12mm ER

Note the difference in objective size

10x50AE 6..5 deg FOV/17.2mm ER

10x50ACU 6.5 deg FOV/ 11.8mm ER

 

7x50AE 6.4 deg FOV/17.1mm ER

7x50ACU 6.4 deg FOV 17.6mm ER

 

12x50AE 5.5 deg FOV/ 16.1mm/ ER 

12x50 ACU 5.2 deg FOV/ 11.5mm ER

16x50AE 3.5 deg FOV/ 17.8mm ER

16x50ACU 4.2 deg FOV/ 12.6mm ER

Again , I can't vouch for these figures only give you the site of origin- B and H photo 

Regards, Pat


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Posted 24 October 2020 - 06:56 PM

https://imaging.niko...x40x50/spec.htm

 

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 07:01 PM

It looks like the b and h specs are accurate- where's the fun in that for "marketing"??   Pat


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Posted 24 October 2020 - 07:51 PM

Where is the 'radically different eye relief'?

 

Stan and Pat have documented what I had mentioned.

 

For the same Afov, more eye relief requires a larger eye lens. Looking at the 10x50s, the Aculons require at least a 15 mm diameter eye lens, the AEs, a 22 mm diameter eye lens.

 

The rest of the eyepiece will be different as well. 

 

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 08:57 AM

Yeah, I just picked up a pair of the Nikon 7245 Action Ex Extreme (10x50). They have the sharpest view of any binocular I own.

 

They're keepers. Highly recommended.

 

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Posted 03 November 2020 - 01:37 PM

Hi fellas, so I am going to jump into stargazing journey and looking for a great binoculars around $200. I've read that the magnification must be at least 10x and that the Porro prism is better than the Roof prism. I really like Vortex Crossfire HD 12x50 but it has the roof prism. Any experience with those for stargazing? Which binocs would you recommend? I've also been looking for Celestron Skymaster series but reviews were so-so. Thanks for your input

I use roofs and porros for astronomy and find a good roof CAN work as well as a good porro, but will probably cost a lot more if it can, so I recommend a good quality 7x-10x 50mm porro for a first astronomy binocular, and I use a 50mm porro for my primary astronomy binocular. 
 

I have a smaller 8x42 binocular with center focus that isn’t quite as good for astronomy, but works better for most other things that people do with binoculars. It’s my first choice for viewing critters anywhere and my first choice for astronomy travel, particularly by airplane. 


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Posted 03 November 2020 - 02:52 PM

Nikon AE 10x50 are very good.  12x50 are a bit harder to handhold and get a bit more shakes, so I would stick to 10x50.

 

They are good for daytime usage as well. 




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