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#76 RocketScientist

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 01:00 PM

AAS should take the publishing rights over! This would be perfect to add to S&T's list of publications. I can reach out to my old contacts at AAS and see if i can make a suggestion....

Please consider suggesting that AAS look into re-publishing some other classic books that deserve to stay in print.  The first one that comes to mind is Chuck Wood's _The Modern Moon: A Personal View_, which is out of print, is hard to find used, and isn't readily replaced by any other lunar book.

 

I'm sure there are many other astrobooks that were not very financially successful, but have no good alternatives in print. AAS would be a good pair of hands for them.


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 01:14 PM

Does Dover do hardcovers?  I wanted to get Night Sky Observers Guide Vols 3 and 4 to match 1 & 2.

Not many, but here's one:

 

https://store.doverp...0486836525.html

 

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 01:31 PM

I hope whomever the rights go to keeps the print quality and durability high. The NSOG and Uranometria do fairly well in the field (dust, dropping, dew). Burnham's not so much.



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Posted 28 October 2020 - 01:56 PM

I hope whomever the rights go to keeps the print quality and durability high. The NSOG and Uranometria do fairly well in the field (dust, dropping, dew). Burnham's not so much.

I agree the quality of binding, paper and printing of the books I have from W-B is high.

 

Burnham's was never meant to be out in the field.

 

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 02:24 PM

Burnham's was never meant to be out in the field.

I know, I just hope whomever takes over understands that some books are meant to be in the field. If the atlases and observing guides were printed like normal reading books (which is fine for Burnham's) it would be a real shame. WB does a great job on the cost/durability front and their non finicky covers are especially appreciated.


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 03:05 PM

BradFran: I also worry about an increase in cost when a new publisher takes over.

 

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 03:43 PM

BradFran: I also worry about an increase in cost when a new publisher takes over.

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There sure seems to be a big jump in prices on the used market now. Not surprising.

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 03:50 PM

There sure seems to be a big jump in prices on the used market now. Not surprising.

Yep.  I noticed that too.

 

Maybe the hobby is not as small as many here believe.  I saw on abebooks one distributor has Annals v3 at double the cost of new and another distributor has annals v2 at $150!! This seems more like following the stock market!

 

Oh my gosh.  "Its a Mad, Mad, Mad World!"

 

L.


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 04:51 PM

Yep.  I noticed that too.

 

Maybe the hobby is not as small as many here believe.  I saw on abebooks one distributor has Annals v3 at double the cost of new and another distributor has annals v2 at $150!! This seems more like following the stock market!

 

I'm not so sure.  I generally buy books used when I can, and I've noticed that many Willmann-Bell books, even when in stock from the publisher, were often listed at high prices on the used market.  I bought many books new from WB because, well, that was honestly the cheapest option.  I've even seen in print books sell here in the Classifieds for the new price (or more!) and wonder what the heck is going on.  I suspect that there simply aren't that many copies in the used market, people do a quick search on Amazon and eBay, and see either no copies or a few expensive copies and assume that must be the real value.  I've heard speculation that the absurd prices are dummy listings where the seller doesn't actually have a copy, and I don't know if that's true, but I *have* had a few orders for out-of-print astro books from various sellers cancelled for no reason that was communicated to me.  All that to say, I think the market is small, and that does funny things to the online prices.

 

Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if some of these large sellers (if you look closely, you'll see many of the same names come up), are doing something algorithmic.  I searched for months to find a copy of an out of print astro book that was actually real and a reasonable price.  After I bought it, just for fun, I kept watching prices and noticed the listings seemed to react to the sale.  Listings that had been there for months suddenly became cheaper.  Anecdotal, I know, but algorithmic pricing is definitely a thing, why wouldn't large used book sellers use it, too?


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 05:06 PM

I'm not so sure.  I generally buy books used when I can, and I've noticed that many Willmann-Bell books, even when in stock from the publisher, were often listed at high prices on the used market. 


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It's actually super common on Amazon for a marketplace seller to simply be a drop-shipping bot. What you saw was likely a bot that, when you placed the order, would simply place the order on your behalf on the WB site.

I work for a non-Amazon online book seller, and we've seen this with our fairly common titles. At one point we tried out a business model where you paid a membership fee, and from there every book was $9.99. The site was completely flooded with drop-shippers x.gif


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 05:12 PM

Blast, blast, blast!!! My great thanks that the owner kept going by so long and gave us so many excellent books. I really hope we can find a way to keep the books available to stop obscene profits on the second hand market. Maybe use print-on-demand (though the quality isn’t always to be best it’s better than paying 1000% markup). Then we’ll never risk the issue of making another print run as they’ll always be one click away.
Now which books should I have bought that I may never get?!

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 05:33 PM

It is such a shame.  I've purchased a number of books through them and they always had great customer service.

 

Speaking from experience, it may have been sudden.  Years ago I worked for a book printer.  Then one day, the bank shut us down.  We knew there were some issues, but nothing that bad.  It left all of our customers in limbo because we couldn't finish the books that they paid for us to print. We weren't even allowed to finish the books that were ready to bind.  I don't know if this is still the case, but back then a number of the publishers did not do the printing.  They got the manuscripts from the authors, prepared them for publishing, and then put out bids to various printing companies.  In these cases authors may not ever know who actually printed their books.  However, we also did a lot of books directly for authors.  They were the ones hit the hardest by our bankruptcy.  In Willmann-Bell's case I think they did both the publishing and the printing.



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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:07 PM

Yep.  I noticed that too.

 

Maybe the hobby is not as small as many here believe.  I saw on abebooks one distributor has Annals v3 at double the cost of new and another distributor has annals v2 at $150!! This seems more like following the stock market!

 

Oh my gosh.  "Its a Mad, Mad, Mad World!"

 

L.

I had seen used sellers with reasonable and high prices before but now it seems all the prices are very high.  And the prices that were high before are even higher now.  I had VOL 1 of Annals.  I was lucky to find VOLS 2-4 new at Woodland Camera just after the announcement.  But the later volumes are all listed on the used market at outrageous prices.  I think supply is limited and these sellers are looking for panic buyers.


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:09 PM

I'm sad to see WB go, but realize nothing is forever here.  I'm also glad I bought all the books from them I ever wanted or felt were important.  The only thing I never got was the NSOG.  I've kicked the idea around off and on for a number of years, but since I already have the Burnham's set, Steve O'Meara's books and both Uranometria and IDSA I don't feel I'm missing anything.  I will say, if anyone does not have a copy of Star Clusters, get a copy if you can find one.



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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:15 PM

I had seen used sellers with reasonable and high prices before but now it seems all the prices are very high.  And the prices that were high before are even higher now.  I had VOL 1 of Annals.  I was lucky to find VOLS 2-4 new at Woodland Camera just after the announcement.  But the later volumes are all listed on the used market at outrageous prices.  I think supply is limited and these sellers are looking for panic buyers.

It's all because of Covid and the ongoing issues forced closures/shutdowns.  It's not just astro-gear, it's everything.  You should try buying weightlifting gear, such as olympic plates and dumbbells.  Prices on new have at least doubled to the point where the decent run-of-the-mill and even junk gear sometimes costs more than the quality stuff; in the astro community, it'd be like buying an AT 130 but having to pay more than the cost of a new AP130.


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:20 PM

It's all because of Covid and the ongoing issues forced closures/shutdowns.  It's not just astro-gear, it's everything.  You should try buying weightlifting gear, such as olympic plates and dumbbells.  Prices on new have at least doubled to the point where the decent run-of-the-mill and even junk gear sometimes costs more than the quality stuff; in the astro community, it'd be like buying an AT 130 but having to pay more than the cost of a new AP130.

Actually in this case it is due to the announcement of Willmann-Bell closing up shop.  Overnight prices on used Willman-Bell books started shooting up.



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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:56 PM

An excellent book, which I unfortunately sold a long time ago, now with its price obscenely inflated. :)

 

https://www.amazon.c...MH7D924CK7NV6FV


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:57 PM

I hope whomever the rights go to keeps the print quality and durability high. The NSOG and Uranometria do fairly well in the field (dust, dropping, dew). Burnham's not so much.

The older Dover books had a binding sewn in signatures so the binding will not crack and
split. Unfortunately, when the company changed hands in 2000, the binding was changed to
cheap glue. So yes, WB books published as Dover paperbacks would be of lower quality.

 

 

BradFran: I also worry about an increase in cost when a new publisher takes over.

 

L.

Yes, if AAS acquires WB, then I think we can expect the same type of egregious markup that is
going on now with S&T.

 

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:58 PM

smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif OK, for those who are looking for available books from Wilmann-Bell, I am sharing this link with you. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

 

This is a Montreal based distributor (our local astronomy store). They still have a few books. I just ordered the Arp Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies. 

 

https://maisonastron...h-astro-books/ 


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 07:10 PM

smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif OK, for those who are looking for available books from Wilmann-Bell, I am sharing this link with you. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

 

This is a Montreal based distributor (our local astronomy store). They still have a few books. I just ordered the Arp Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies. 

 

https://maisonastron...h-astro-books/ 

I think they caught the gouging bug too.



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Posted 28 October 2020 - 07:14 PM

I think they caught the gouging bug too.

Canadian dollars... Also, they are always a bit more expensive because shipping to Canada was quite expensive. That is why I was always ordering more than one book. The owner was not aware of Willmann-Bell closing. (He is now, but the prices are still the same...)


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 07:16 PM

WB books I don't ever loan but always recommend for those that wanted to dive a little deeper.

 

H. Rutten and M. van Venrooij  "Telescope Optics", and

 

H. R. Suiter "Star Testing Astronomical Telescopes".


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 07:51 PM

WB books I don't ever loan but always recommend for those that wanted to dive a little deeper.

 

H. Rutten and M. van Venrooij  "Telescope Optics", and

 

H. R. Suiter "Star Testing Astronomical Telescopes".

I just found and bought a copy of "Star Testing..." in Skies Unlimited. It was the only WB book in stock there. Shipping was a bit pricey (UPS), but well, one should also be grateful that those astro-business keep certain stock.

 

Also, pricing of WB was more than fair, offering free shipping that was actually quite fast. They did a great service to the community.


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 08:19 PM

Awww, bummer. I just found WB recently bc of threads I read here on CN. Glad I ordered the book I wanted when I did. It arrived very quickly.
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Posted 28 October 2020 - 08:37 PM

The library of Alexandria has burnt to the ground. bawling.gif


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