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#1 Cosmo2

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Posted 19 November 2020 - 02:06 PM

Does anyone know if Roland Christen of Astro-physics plans on starting a new production run of his 140mm StarFire refractors?
I have been on the waiting list since 2009. Can’t wait much longer.

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Posted 19 November 2020 - 02:47 PM

Have you contacted Astro-Physics directly ?  They are usually able to respond quickly.


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Posted 19 November 2020 - 03:57 PM

Yes I did. They couldn’t  deny or confirm a future production run for the 140EDF.

Which is disappointing considering the 140mm size makes for a great all round scope!

Currently they offer the 130mm and the 254mm mak. Big jump between the two sizes.



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Posted 19 November 2020 - 04:02 PM

These show up here and at the other site from time to time. In fact there is one for sale in Europe on the other site now.

Keep in mind that the 140 is a big scope. The same tube that was being used for the 160 was utilized for the 140 so it is bulkier than the TEC 140s and much larger than any f/6-f/7 130mm scope. As an owner of the AP-130GT, I can attest to its petite-ness in comparison to the 140. An AP-130 would be a very good substitute. The APM/TMB 130mm f/9.25 would also be excellent for visual and the 10mm difference is negligible. Why wait?


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Posted 19 November 2020 - 04:12 PM

Does anyone know if Roland Christen of Astro-physics plans on starting a new production run of his 140mm StarFire refractors?
I have been on the waiting list since 2009. Can’t wait much longer.

At least you are on a list.  Currently they are not taking any more names for any of their telescope lists and common consensus here on CN seems to be that the AP wait lists will never be opened again.  However, Yuri is still taking names for the TEC 140 FL, with an estimated wait time of about a year.  I just sent my deposit yesterday.


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#6 Cosmo2

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Posted 19 November 2020 - 06:09 PM

I was lucky enough to have looked thru a AP140 over a decade ago, and I will never forget that perfect image of Jupiter. I have never looked thru a Tec140, how does it compare to the AP140?



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Posted 19 November 2020 - 06:29 PM

I was lucky enough to have looked thru a AP140 over a decade ago, and I will never forget that perfect image of Jupiter. I have never looked thru a Tec140, how does it compare to the AP140?

Well, let's put it this way, Roland stopped making a 140mm aperture scope and has a TEC 140ED he uses for some of his imaging, saying it's an excellent scope.  Another clue is that he makes reducers/correctors for the TEC 140ED. 

 

Though it would be fun to make such a comparison. 

 

Jeff 


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#8 Cosmo2

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Posted 19 November 2020 - 07:00 PM

Thanks Jeff for that insight!

From that I’m assuming he has no plans to resume the AP140 production line. 
I will consider the TEC140 as a reasonable substitute, if Roland has given it his stamp of approval, it’s  worth looking into.

Thank you all for the helpful responses!

 

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Posted 19 November 2020 - 07:30 PM

At least you are on a list.  Currently they are not taking any more names for any of their telescope lists and common consensus here on CN seems to be that the AP wait lists will never be opened again.  However, Yuri is still taking names for the TEC 140 FL, with an estimated wait time of about a year.  I just sent my deposit yesterday.

 

If one places an order for a TEC APO140FL directly with TEC, one will usually wait about a year (or more) for delivery.  However -- and this is not widely known -- if one calls around to the various TEC dealers, one can sometimes find a dealer that has an APO140FL coming in for sale in much less time than a year.  It pays to call around.

 

But no one ever listens to me.  grin.gif


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#10 Jeff B

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Posted 19 November 2020 - 07:58 PM

Huh, Oh, I'm sorry, what did you say Heywood?


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Posted 19 November 2020 - 08:30 PM

Huh, Oh, I'm sorry, what did you say Heywood?

 

Oh, nothing.



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 12:20 AM

Great info guys!!
Thank you.

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 12:35 AM

I've been on the AP 140 list since days after the NEAF announcement ... I once called AP and Marj laughed when I asked whether my name was likely to come up within the next couple of years. She suggested I buy a TOA150 - so I did.

 

Looking back, my Tak arrived in early November 2008 ... it's scary how the years pass.

 

I had a chat with Roland at NEAF 2018 - I specifically asked where there would ever be another run of the 140. He just shook his head - although I don't know whether that was a "No" or a "I wish people would stop asking dumb questions."



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 01:37 AM

As good as these AP scopes are, get a scope now and don't waste your good younger eye sight ;). There is TEC, CFF, Tak and LZOS, to name a few within the range of 140mm aperture. The Tak can be on the heavy side, the LZOS weight depends on focuser and OTA material employed.


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Posted 20 November 2020 - 02:05 AM

At the risk of getting jumped on from a great height, the Skywatcher Esprit 150 is pretty darn good... I have viewed through a TEC140 and an AP175: and they are terrific, and I own a Tak TSA102, so I know what good views look like. The Skywatcher is a very good and much cheaper alternative to the "alphas". I could get one off the shelf here in Oz, but I don't know what the US situation is at present.

 

All the best,

 

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 08:17 AM

In the “pure uninformed speculation category”...

 

I wouldn’t wait for the 140.  It is really close to the 130 they already do.  If he does add a scope, it’ll be something of interest to him (big imaging reflector of some sort), or a 160-180 range of refractor.

 

The TEC140FL I looked through was really nice (I’m a sucker for Fluorite) and the TEC180FL I wish I hadn’t sold.


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Posted 20 November 2020 - 10:55 AM

Never sell a TEC-140 and OF COURSE not a 180 if you have one :D

 

Reg. the AP-140 - the optics will surely be great I don´t doubt a second about it - what would hold me back for one is

 

a) the too big tube that was made for the 160

b) the sliding mechanism of the dewcap as the 140 I saw had scratches in the black paint of the dewcap from it

 

I love AP´s for their mechanics but the 140 seems not really to fit in this category...

 

I would lookout for a 130 EDT, EDF, EDF-GT or GTX, TEC-140, 155 EDF or TEC-160.


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Posted 20 November 2020 - 12:28 PM

 

I had a chat with Roland at NEAF 2018 - I specifically asked where there would ever be another run of the 140. He just shook his head - although I don't know whether that was a "No" or a "I wish people would stop asking dumb questions."

If I had to guess, I'd say it was a bit of both.  



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 12:29 PM

I’ve owned both the AP 140 and TEC 140...don’t wait, get the TEC!
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Posted 20 November 2020 - 01:44 PM

I wouldn't wait either because there are some excellent 140mm triplets on the market besides the AP and TEC such as the Stellarvue 140 f6.7, Sharpstar 140 f6.5, and the ES 140 f6,5.  I believe the TS Optics 140 f6.5 is the same as the Sharpstar and both have 2 ED elements.  Stellarvue promises a Strehl of at least .99.  Can AP or TEC top that?  The wait time is minimal as their website is predicting a ship date of Feb 2021.

 

I seriously doubt you could tell any difference with these compared to the AP or TEC.  The Sharpstar is priced right with two ED elements but the Stellarvue looks to be at the top of its class and in the same price neighborhood as the TEC..


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#21 Jeff B

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 01:56 PM

I’ve owned both the AP 140 and TEC 140...don’t wait, get the TEC!

And there you go....actual experience. waytogo.gif



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 02:48 PM

I wouldn't wait either because there are some excellent 140mm triplets on the market besides the AP and TEC such as the Stellarvue 140 f6.7, Sharpstar 140 f6.5, and the ES 140 f6,5.  I believe the TS Optics 140 f6.5 is the same as the Sharpstar and both have 2 ED elements.  Stellarvue promises a Strehl of at least .99.  Can AP or TEC top that?  The wait time is minimal as their website is predicting a ship date of Feb 2021.

 

I seriously doubt you could tell any difference with these compared to the AP or TEC.  The Sharpstar is priced right with two ED elements but the Stellarvue looks to be at the top of its class and in the same price neighborhood as the TEC..

I went with TEC because TEC is oil spaced (I think AP might be as well) and where I live, having a fast cooling scope in the summer planet season is important to me.  I plan to leave it in an observatory, and the daytime/nighttime temp delta is quite large where I live in the summer, so the observatory will heat up during the day, with rapidly falling temperatures at sunset that continue falling throughout the night.  Planets are often quite visible even before sunset, so having something that cools quickly and that provides good viewing even when not fully cooled, so it is already ready to go was important.  I've also read, but have not yet experienced, that oil spaced lenses have better contrast since the reduced number of air to glass interfaces reduce scatter.  The price difference between the TEC and the Stellervue is not much and I don't mind waiting as I have some equally high quality but somewhat smaller scopes to use in the mean time.  But if I were in the market for an air spaced scope and wanted it soon, that Stellervue scope looks quite nice.


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Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:27 PM

Is AP140 air spaced or oil spaced?

 

Company7 says air: http://www.company7....rs/140f7.5.html , and seems a copy/paste from AP.

 

AP says oil: https://astro-physic...s/140edf/140edf

 

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:30 PM

My guess is that both f7.5 (140, 160) are air spaced... ??



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 04:06 PM

The AP-140 is oil spaced. I've also heard that the 140 f/7.5 lenses were milled down from imperfect 155 f/7.0 lenses therefore a baby 155. So these were made from glass, some of which may no longer be available. A new batch of 140s would most likely use different glass and might be air spaced or a combo of air/oil spaced. 


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