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#1 Stargazer3236

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Posted 20 March 2021 - 08:34 AM

A new company has made the leap into EAA and planetary cameras. A Chinese based company called Player One. They have some nice offerings which should be explored.

 

The two most appreciable benefits in their cameras is DDR3 256mb cache for uninterrupted data streaming that even works good in the USB 2.0 configuration (but is wired for USB 3.0) and DPS (Dead Pixel Suppression) technology, dead pixels (including both hot pixels and cold pixels) of the image are swept away. It starts working the minute you turn it on!

 

Currently they have the IMX178 color and mono, the IMX290 Mono and the IMX462 Color cameras. They named all their cameras from Mercury up to Neptune, but they only have the Mars and Neptune cameras available. On sale now at most retailers online. Currently the Mars Color IMX462 is $269 and the Neptune IMX178 is $319 and the Mars Mono is $329.

 

They also include an adjustable tilt plate, for the annoying Newton lines you find in Solar imaging.

 

I plan on purchasing at least the IMX462 and trying it out for fun.



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Posted 20 March 2021 - 09:43 AM

Dead pixels are not the same as hot or cold pixels. What does 'swept away' mean? Some kind of interpolation? Dark subtraction?



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Posted 20 March 2021 - 09:53 AM

Supported by Sharpcap Pro.....



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Posted 20 March 2021 - 12:00 PM

Do they have a website you can point to, or any user reviews?



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Posted 20 March 2021 - 02:02 PM

Errol, they have this and this in the vendors forum and there’s a link in the vendors signature.


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Posted 20 March 2021 - 02:55 PM

Thanks, Nick. I will take a look ...  never  thought of looking in the obvious places.lol.gif


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Posted 21 March 2021 - 10:01 AM

I noticed a Canadian dealer promoting Player One last week.  Very interesting indeed!  For the sake of completeness they also have an IMX464-based camera, a bit larger than the 462, which is quite tempting.  I'm almost ready to pull the trigger and give it a try.

 

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Posted 26 April 2021 - 10:05 AM

Has anyone purchased or had experience with any of the Player One cameras? Their Neptune C-II color camera with the IMX464 sensor is particularly interesting to me.


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Posted 27 April 2021 - 11:18 AM

I just got one, but the mount I want to buy is back-ordered so I haven't been able to try it out yet. frown.gif



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Posted 27 April 2021 - 07:33 PM

That’s a drag. Hope you get your mount soon. Love to hear your thoughts on the camera after you’ve had a chance to use it.



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Posted 28 April 2021 - 02:25 PM

Found a mount yesterday and bought it. Should be here Friday.



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Posted 01 May 2021 - 11:33 AM

Cool. Looking forward to your impressions of the camera. It would be great to see some images from your captures if possible.



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Posted 05 May 2021 - 10:18 AM

My first attempt. Note that the Neptune-C II is more a planetary than deep space camera. Any flaws in the photos are due to me being very new to EAA. I thought the camera did pretty good.

 

https://www.cloudyni...lbum/16714-eaa/


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Posted 05 May 2021 - 01:51 PM

I have one of the Mars-c cameras with the IMX462 chip.

 

I am still very much learning my way around the camera/software/EAA process, but I am very happy with the camera so far. 

 

have some decent results of the moon and sun and have been able to see lots of galaxies that I would struggle to see with an eyepiece.

 

Zero issues with the camera hardware or drivers.  It plays nicely with Sharpcap.

 

last time out i plugged it into my 8" SCT with 0.63 reducer and managed to squeeze M3 and M53 into the FOV...

 

M3.jpg

 

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Posted 06 May 2021 - 10:20 AM


 

Bazooka 302, Thanks a lot for posting your report on the Neptune-C II  and the images. They look good. I’d be very interested in any further images, particularly lunar or planetary, and any further impressions of the camera you have that you can share. - Jack


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Posted 06 May 2021 - 10:27 AM

Thanks bmcclana. Thanks for the  nice images and your description of how the Mars-C camera has been performing/interfacing. It’s good to know it works well with Sharpcap. Love to see some of your Moon images from the Mars-C,  if possible. - Jack

 


 


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Posted 06 May 2021 - 01:48 PM

The Moon, Saturn and Jupiter are not up until 4AM unfortunately. I do have this one shot that I took a few days ago in the morning, full daylight, just for fun. This photo was stacked and processed from a video file (Autostakkert).

 

https://www.cloudyni...48-lapl5-ap4-1/

 


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Posted 06 May 2021 - 07:08 PM

The Moon, Saturn and Jupiter are not up until 4AM unfortunately. I do have this one shot that I took a few days ago in the morning, full daylight, just for fun. This photo was stacked and processed from a video file (Autostakkert).

 

https://www.cloudyni...48-lapl5-ap4-1/

Beautiful image! Very sharp with beautiful tonal balance. It’s amazing it was taken in full daylight!  I’ve been thinking to purchase a ZWO ASI462 MC to use with my C8, but the Neptune C-II sure has my interest. I like the idea of the larger Sony sensor with the same(?) or very similar QE curves. I think the frame rates are still high but not quite as high as those of the 462? The thing is Player One may well be a good, solid company, but it’s new and ZWO has a long track record. I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Neptune C-II build quality  interface with Sharpcap (Pro?) or other software. Basically any thoughts you have about its’ features and operation. Love to see more images , particularly close-in Moon images if you can. 



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Posted 07 May 2021 - 09:48 AM

So far I'm very happy with the Neptune-C II. It has a solid, high end build quality and the sensor seems pretty good. The IMX464 is supposed to be more sensitive to IR, but I'm not sure what the advantage of that is. Currently I'm using it with a UV/IR filter (which was included for free with the camera) mounted to this adapter https://agenaastro.c...-t2-1-25-3.html. Just so you know, I have to use SharpCap 4.0 (beta) to have the camera recognized. My Apertura 72EDR is only 430mm FL, so not an ideal scope for planets or high mag moon shots, even with a barlow. I want to get a SkyWatcher 102mm Mak for the planets.


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Posted 07 May 2021 - 12:46 PM

 

Thanks, that’s good to know about the build quality. I’m just learning about this stuff , but my understanding is that both the Sony IMX462 sensor that the Player One Mars C color camera, and the ZWO ASI462 MC are based on , and the Sony IMX464 sensor are very sensitive in the near infra-red end of the visible spectrum. Light in that part of the spectrum is said to be less effected by atmospheric turbulence. If cameras based on the Sony IMX462, or Sony IMX464 sensors are used with a 685 nm pass filter (or 650 nm pass filter?) limiting the light to the near infra-red (and above ?) they effectively will be operating as mono cameras which could be a good alternative when atmospheric turbulence is an issue. The unusually high sensitivity of the cameras to light in the NIR also allows shorter exposure settings and higher frame rates when using a 685 nm pass filter. If one uses the camera with a UV/IR filter as you have been doing the cameras operate as color cameras. Seems that’s a good choice for the planets, and also for the Moon when the seeing is better.  If I buy a Sony IMX462, or SonyIMX464 sensor-based camera I plan to get both a 685 nm pass, and UV/IR filter to use with it.



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Posted 07 May 2021 - 12:58 PM

Thanks, that’s good to know about the build quality. I’m just learning about this stuff , but my understanding is that both the Sony IMX462 sensor that the Player One Mars C color camera, and the ZWO ASI462 MC are based on , and the Sony IMX464 sensor are very sensitive in the near infra-red end of the visible spectrum. Light in that part of the spectrum is said to be less effected by atmospheric turbulence. If cameras based on the Sony IMX462, or Sony IMX464 sensors are used with a 685 nm pass filter (or 650 nm pass filter?) limiting the light to the near infra-red (and above ?) they effectively will be operating as mono cameras which could be a good alternative when atmospheric turbulence is an issue. The unusually high sensitivity of the cameras to light in the NIR also allows shorter exposure settings and higher frame rates when using a 685 nm pass filter. If one uses the camera with a UV/IR filter as you have been doing the cameras operate as color cameras. Seems that’s a good choice for the planets, and also for the Moon when the seeing is better.  If I buy a Sony IMX462, or SonyIMX464 sensor-based camera I plan to get both a 685 nm pass, and UV/IR filter to use with it.

If you are primarily interested in planetary or lunar imaging, you might want to check those dedicated forums for users of these cameras specifically for planetary or lunar imaging.


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Posted 07 May 2021 - 01:36 PM

If you are primarily interested in planetary or lunar imaging, you might want to check those dedicated forums for users of these cameras specifically for planetary or lunar imaging.

Thank you very much. I will try and check those dedicated forums.


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Posted 07 May 2021 - 02:38 PM

If cameras based on the Sony IMX462, or Sony IMX464 sensors are used with a 685 nm pass filter (or 650 nm pass filter?) limiting the light to the near infra-red (and above ?) they effectively will be operating as mono cameras which could be a good alternative when atmospheric turbulence is an issue. 

Although, OSC wouldn't be as sensitive as a mono camera due to Bayer matrix.


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Posted 07 May 2021 - 02:53 PM

Although, OSC wouldn't be as sensitive as a mono camera due to Bayer matrix.

Could you define please OSC? Is it "one shot color"? That aside, are you saying the Bayer matrix will still limit the sensitivity of color astro cams like the Player One Neptune C-II Color using a 685 nm pass filter as opposed to a Mono version? If so, I’m a beginner, but that makes intuitive sense to me.



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Posted 07 May 2021 - 02:57 PM

That is correct.


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