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#51 rkelley8493

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 09:27 PM

Some of the priciest eyepieces on the commercial market, in no particular order:

 

Nikon NAV-HW 12.5mm & 17mm:  $910

Explore Sci 100º 30mm [3"]:  $1000

Explore Sci 120º 9mm:  $1000

Explore Sci 100º 25mm:  $850

TeleVue Ethos 21mm:  $854

TeleVue Ethos 17mm:  $760

Masuyama 80mm 52º [3"]:  $1800

TeleVue Apollo 11mm:  $1245 [limited series]

Docter/Noblex 12.5mm:  $760 [discontinued]


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 10:12 PM

Years ago, 20 maybe 30 years ago I knew a fellow who had every accessory Celestron had for his telescope.  He had an enclosed trailer to haul it all.  He could quote all the specs on all of them.

 

The one and only time we observed together we were polar aligning out scopes in late twilight.  He came to me and asked which star was Polaris.

 

I'm not saying anyone who buys a ton of eyepieces are like him, but they are out there.

Well --- a Celestron guy --- splains it all.

 

bwa ha HA HA HA Ha ha... heh... snort. Ahhh... good one! In contrast, I know every naked eye star down to 8th magnitude, all four hemispheres (N, S, above and below the horizon) and have an uncanny sense for navigating by the earth's magnetic field without a compass or even a dowsing rod.    Tom

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 10:30 PM

Only took like 2 years to sell 300 Apollo 11 eyepieces.

Released December 2019. Much closer to one year than two.



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 10:37 PM

The TeleVue Apollo 11 Eyepiece availabity >>>

 

Thanx for the tip, Red.

 

WOW! --- I just visited and it looks like they have one?! They have the old boiler plate "join our waiting list", but do have their | In Stock | flag still turned on. TeleVue has removed it entirely from their site and other Dealers show no lingering evidence of it. So that one could very well be the last and only BNIB available from a dealer?! If I didn't have mine already, I'd jump on it immediately. [Here Tom rushes past the Wine Cellar and van Gogh Gallery... down to his Eyepiece Vault and confirms SN #119 is still there.] Hmmm... I did at one time consider two A-11's, but concluded that my nose is too big to accommodate both simultaneously. But I didn't consider a spare just in case I drop or foolishly misplace #119. I'd sleep better, knowing I bought up the very last one. On the other hand, I still have a couple more three-inchers on my impulse-buy list. And just signed the contract for the kitchen do-over, and the Vette wants new sticky tires etc. "Jeeves, check the tires on the Stingray... Bay six... good for this season or not?" Jeeves will report back shortly. You may be able to yank that spare A-11 out from under me if you order within the next ten minutes.

 

You know that enticing TV commercial, where William Devane memorably boasts, "I even like the feel of gold!"  Well, friends, that's conveys the same feeling you get fondling your Apollo Eleven, as you slide it into the MOONLITE, fine-tune focus, and then dive in. Only we choice few experience that; come join the club!    Tom

You’ve got me thinking I may need a back up for my spare...



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Posted 14 April 2021 - 11:41 PM

You’ve got me thinking I may need a back up for my spare...

Actually --- Whenever a new Eyepiece Series comes out --- I usually buy a pair of each, because most of my observing is with True Binoscopes. My Favorite is the Double-Barreled 16-inchers. But even specialty scopes like Hydrogen Alpha Solar benefit from going True Binoscopic. Therefore these >>> dedicated eyepieces specifically-optimized for H-Alpha. If I find shoes that I like, I then buy several more pairs, just in case they discontinue the line. People who only buy one shoe at a time --- never made any sense to me.

 

So, my question to my fellow astronomers --- Why do you buy only one telescope... when you have two eyes?    Tom

 

~click on~ >>>

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 12:48 AM

Actually --- Whenever a new Eyepiece Series comes out --- I usually buy a pair of each, because most of my observing is with True Binoscopes. My Favorite is the Double-Barreled 16-inchers. But even specialty scopes like Hydrogen Alpha Solar benefit from going True Binoscopic. Therefore these >>> dedicated eyepieces specifically-optimized for H-Alpha. If I find shoes that I like, I then buy several more pairs, just in case they discontinue the line. People who only buy one shoe at a time --- never made any sense to me.

 

So, my question to my fellow astronomers --- Why do you buy only one telescope... when you have two eyes?    Tom

 

~click on~ >>>

Because we don't have infinite money and storage. tongue2.gif


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Posted 15 April 2021 - 01:12 AM

Because we don't have infinite money and storage. tongue2.gif

A few bars of Gold Pressed Latinum provide an effectively-infinite ~Telescope Fund~ for all practical purposes... with surplus left over for the more frivolous bobbles like diamonds, pearls, and a complete minty collection of Beanie Babies. And that's just the interest on the account, without even touching the Principal!    Tom

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 06:58 AM

A few bars of Gold Pressed Latinum ....

<<< want. :lol:

 

Tom, there's a thread for Trekkies in the OTO (as if you didn't know.)
 



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Posted 15 April 2021 - 07:20 AM

Dragon eggs will get you far too.

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 07:24 AM

I would say that Zeiss A-34 is probably the most expensive eyepiece on the market, compared to big grenade sized eyepieces with tons of glass in them the A-34 with its 40 degree field and minimum glass beats them all in overall price tag.

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Here are my bino pairs.

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 09:36 AM

It's an exclusive club, keep in mind that astronomers are notoriously poor --- they just go into it for the love of it. Anyway, they're ~all gone now~ so can stop dreamin' about it forevermore.    Tom

I’ve seen them for sale already on the site that begins with an A.

 

Besides it’s just a Nagler “all dressed up”.


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Posted 15 April 2021 - 09:53 AM

More times than not you - get what you pay for.  

You always get what you pay for ... unless it gets lost in the mail.  But is it worth what you paid for it?

 

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 09:56 AM

Because we don't have infinite money and storage. tongue2.gif

... and infinitely powerful back muscles.  liftup.sml.gif

 

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 10:09 AM

I’ve seen them for sale already on the site that begins with an A.

Besides it’s just a Nagler “all dressed up”.

Yes --- and they sold immediately! If someone else goes broke and puts one up for sale, same thing will happen. I see these eventually fetching thousands, with people bidding up to the price of a good van Gogh. Give it a decade and A-11's will auction at Christie's for untold millions. Ummm... 300 is still a lot of eyepieces, in that context. Maybe the used price will drift up to around $10K and then just hover there. I'm keeping mine, regardless. The Nagler is a "Perfect Ten"; The Apollo is a "Perfect Eleven".    Tom (perfect twelve)



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Posted 15 April 2021 - 10:29 AM

Humility is an overvalued virtue.

 

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 10:30 AM

When Al Nagler is gone, I expect anything with his name on it or directly associated with him will increase in value, for awhile anyway. Same with Christensen for refractors. TMB/Thomas Back refractors & eyepieces seem to hold a revered market presence.



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Posted 15 April 2021 - 12:25 PM

Currently have excellent 10-13 mm eyepieces and therefore was not tempted by the Apollo 11. 
 

Other than the exclusivity and nostalgic value of space memorabilia, how is it better than a $400 Nagler. 


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Posted 15 April 2021 - 12:29 PM

I thought WHCT had one in stock to sell. 

They did. :thinking:

 

They need to update their listing.

 

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 12:32 PM

I’ve seen them for sale already on the site that begins with an A.

 

Besides it’s just a Nagler “all dressed up”.

I know that at one point it was listed by Tele Vue as part of the Nagler group, but the lack of information on elements and groups and the fact it is 85° rather than 82° leads me to suspect there's more to it than that.



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Posted 15 April 2021 - 04:58 PM

First let me say I have dropped some change on eyepieces. Five Delites, one Panoptic and the 55mm Plossol.  None of which came cheap.

 

Now I am wondering what is the most expensive eyepiece and what justifies the expense?  I have seen Tele Vues going for $600+, what is the attraction?

Right now, the Masuyama 3":

These are the eyepieces at $900 and more:

Brand    Model    FL    Diam.    AFOV     Price  in that order.
Masuyama                                     Masuyama 80 3.00 52  $1,799.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 40 4.00 75  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 40 4.30 75  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 42 4.00 75  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 42 4.30 75  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 50 4.00 70  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 50 4.30 70  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 55 4.00 70  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 55 4.30 70  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 60 4.00 70  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 60 4.30 70  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 65 4.00 65  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 65 4.30 65  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 70 4.00 65  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 70 4.30 65  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 75 4.00 60  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 75 4.30 60  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 80 4.00 60  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 80 4.30 60  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 85 4.00 57  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 85 4.30 57  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 90 4.00 55  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 90 4.30 55  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 95 4.00 55  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 95 4.30 55  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 100 4.00 55  $1,499.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 100 4.30 55  $1,499.00
Explore Scientific                          120 Series     9 2.00 120  $999.99
Explore Scientific                           3" Series    30 3.00 100  $999.99
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 40 3.00 75  $999.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 42 3.00 75  $999.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 50 3.00 70  $999.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 55 3.00 70  $999.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 60 3.00 65  $999.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 65 3.00 65  $999.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 70 3.00 60  $999.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 75 3.00 60  $999.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 80 3.00 60  $999.00
Nikon                                             NAV-HW  12.5 1.25/2.00 102  $910.00
Nikon                                             NAV-HW     17 2.00 102  $910.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 40 2.50 75  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 40 2.70 75  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 42 2.50 75  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 42 2.70 75  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 50 2.50 70  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 50 2.70 70  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 55 2.50 63  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 55 2.70 65  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 60 2.50 57  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 60 2.70 60  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 65 2.50 53  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 65 2.70 56  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 70 2.50 50  $899.00
Harry Siebert Optics Observatory Elite Series 70 2.70 52  $899.00

 

TeleVue had one eyepiece that sold at $1250 (the Apollo 11 Commemorative),

Leitz had an 88° eyepiece at around $1500, and Zeiss had a number of orthoscopics that sold from $1300-$2500 before they were discontinued.

 

Anyway, a $600 eyepiece is barely in the top 100 for price.

The median selling price for an eyepiece is around $100, and, judging from the posts here on CN  that is a common price for an inquiry.

The average price for an eyepiece is over $300, though, which shows how expensive the really high priced ones are.

In comparison, TeleVue is only a mid-priced line, median price of $321 (range from $96 to $854).


Edited by Starman1, 15 April 2021 - 05:15 PM.

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 05:02 PM

I can understand rare collectable eyepieces going for $$$.  But what about the readily available ones for high $?  What is the justification?  Looks to me like any hobby you reach a point of smaller gains for bigger $.

That's true with almost every product.

If you think of increasing performance with increasing price, there is a point where the curve levels out and to get something 3% better costs twice as much.

In some cases, 1% better costs 10x as much.

The best for the price is usually where the curve bends.

As I see eyepieces, I'd say that's in the $240-$300 range.


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Posted 15 April 2021 - 05:12 PM

I’ve seen them for sale already on the site that begins with an A.

 

Besides it’s just a Nagler “all dressed up”.

Nope.

Different field

different glass

different number of elements

different eye relief

different feel in the field

different lateral chromatic distortion issues.

No SAEP.

 

Similar in apparent field only.

 

What is remarkable is how close that little 11mm Nagler Type 6 comes to the performance level of the Apollo 11.

Both, however, are discontinued and gone now.


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Posted 16 April 2021 - 01:27 AM

Glad I bought a used 11 Nagler for about 6x less than the Apollo smirk.gif but would still love to look thru an Apollo.

 

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Posted 16 April 2021 - 09:10 AM

I know that at one point it was listed by Tele Vue as part of the Nagler group, but the lack of information on elements and groups and the fact it is 85° rather than 82° leads me to suspect there's more to it than that.

A slightly bigger field stop?



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Posted 16 April 2021 - 09:22 AM

A slightly bigger field stop?

see post #72.




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