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#51 brave_ulysses

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 12:16 AM

the "expletive deleted" telescope

 

Back in the day, we called him tricky Dick. The Tricky Dick Telescope sounds even better...


 

#52 KiwiObserver

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 05:39 AM

 

Although they've been around for four thousand years, folding umbrellas remain notorious for deployment failures

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every deployment of my umbrella is certainly accompanied by significant doubt of achieving 100 percent coverage. Luckily, it usually remains within serviceability distance.   


Edited by KiwiObserver, 27 July 2021 - 05:41 AM.

 

#53 ayadai

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 06:26 AM

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every deployment of my umbrella is certainly accompanied by significant doubt of achieving 100 percent coverage. Luckily, it usually remains within serviceability distance.   

Folks need to upgrade to Daveks.


 

#54 BradFran

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 06:37 AM

Daveks Space Telescope, guaranteed to unfold in a vacuum or your money back.


 

#55 Tangent

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 07:14 AM

Here's an article that says the accusations were falsely attributed to Webb and they were not even applicable to his NASA career.

 

https://hmoluseyi.me...ot-131c821d5f12

Thank you for posting this, it is a very good read and the author put in a lot of work to research the history of the issue. 


 

#56 Murphy's Law

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 08:11 AM

what a bunch of woke garbage


 

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 10:44 AM

 

They could always rename it like a Mars lander - Curiosity, Perseverance, Opportunity, etc. Renaming by committee going over school kids’ submissions. Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world either as it would help get a fresh generation aware of astronomy and feeling involved…

IIRC the British Navy went about naming a new ship by public nomination/input, and the overwhelming winning nomination was "Boaty McBoatface" - and the British Navy went party poopers on the idea, deciding maybe that naming process wasn't the great idea they first thought.  Perhaps NASA going about the telescope renaming project the same way might result in "Bloaty McBloatScope" as the winner.


 

#58 therealdmt

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 01:02 PM

Here's an article that says the accusations were falsely attributed to Webb and they were not even applicable to his NASA career.

 

https://hmoluseyi.me...ot-131c821d5f12

Wow. The plot thickens.

 

If true (and it seems very well researched), this whole thing is just much ado about nothing (well, nothing except accepting accusations without first making sure they’re true). Hopefully NASA’s own investigation is aware of this material as they make their own determination 


 

#59 therealdmt

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 01:24 PM

IIRC the British Navy went about naming a new ship by public nomination/input, and the overwhelming winning nomination was "Boaty McBoatface" - and the British Navy went party poopers on the idea, deciding maybe that naming process wasn't the great idea they first thought.  Perhaps NASA going about the telescope renaming project the same way might result in "Bloaty McBloatScope" as the winner.

A possible problem to handle proactively, for sure. The trick would seem to be to not make it by popular vote and to not allow the public to see a running tally of submissions and so have their opinion possibly coalesce around something outrageous. The other thing is to not allow adults to vote so as to avoid a situation like when late night host Stephen Colbert campaigned to have ISS Node 3 named after him when NASA opened the naming of that up to voting by the public. You don’t want some influencer gaming the system.

 

Instead, you could have a selection committee comprised of NASA scientists and relevant officials invite the nation’s school kids to submit names. When the naming contest submission deadline passes, the selection committee meets, quietly tosses any inappropriate names and comes up with a list of Top 10 choices from the submissions and publishes it as a teaser, with the final winner to be announced on July 4th or whatever. Finally, announce that the winner is Sally Yournamehere, who submitted ‘___________’ and have a big ceremony where you officially name the telescope and hand her some space swag. The main idea is that the public never gets to know any unacceptable names that may have been submitted and it’s not a vote by the public.

 

Meanwhile, if Webb didn’t do anything wrong (or, as he’s only human, not too much wrong), considering we know he did a lot of things right and his name has been attached to the telescope for years and years now, it wouldn’t be right to shame his legacy by publicly and dramatically dropping him at this late hour. If he didn’t do what he’s accused of. Accordingly, the results of a fair and thorough investigation are needed, then it can be decided how to proceed from there in a way that the public can get behind the scope, including making sure the public has confidence in that investigation. In the end, the name of the scope is for the American people 


Edited by therealdmt, 27 July 2021 - 10:48 PM.

 

#60 Mister T

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Posted 28 July 2021 - 05:22 AM

Like Voyager, a gold record of the Nixon tapes on the space telescope: Nixon's Greatest Hits.

with 18 minutes of silence at the crucial point?!


 

#61 rhetfield

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Posted 29 July 2021 - 08:09 AM

Yes, I think it is odd for such an important mission to be named after a political person.

It was named after him because he advocated for budgeting for science missions at a time when everybody (and the budget) were focused almost exclusively on Apollo and manned missions.


 

#62 rhetfield

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Posted 29 July 2021 - 08:11 AM

 Hopefully NASA’s own investigation is aware of this material as they make their own determination 

I am sure they will be aware of it.  But the decision will be political and will have little to do with whatever the facts end up being.


 

#63 FirstSight

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Posted 19 August 2021 - 10:48 AM

All that can be said about this matter without getting into overly political territory has already been said - so this thread will remain locked indefinitely.


 


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