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Are these eyepieces clones/copies?

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#76 RLK1

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Posted 03 August 2021 - 12:16 PM

It all started with me asking what I thought was a pretty straightforward question, but quickly became a discussion about geopolitics and trade policies.

After the long and winding discussion about those things, Starman just recently got to the issue I was asking about. According to him, perhaps the two specific eyepieces I was asking about aren't exactly clones, it might be better described as a given product masquerades as other products, but with the same specifications, it's just disquised.

In other words, it's the same product with a different brand label at a different price...



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Posted 03 August 2021 - 12:27 PM

Yes, and there are countless examples of this in the market.

Many of the most common eyepieces are sold under as many as 8-10 different labels.

If it looks the same, has the same specs, but from 2 different companies, then the difference is the label on the eyepiece.

Sometimes the difference can be a bit more than cosmetic, such as the Stellarvue Optimus' steel lower barrel vs APM XWA' aluminum lower barrel.

Sometimes the difference is more subtle--like undercuts on the Ultra flat fields from Celestron and Meade versus the straight barrels on the APM versions.

Sometimes the difference is just the silk-screened label.

The name of the game, though, is that the companies in China will sell their eyepieces to anyone who wants to order a sufficient quantity.


Edited by Starman1, 03 August 2021 - 12:28 PM.

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Posted 03 August 2021 - 03:17 PM

That makes no sense at all. If a eyepiece is sold for less that than usual asking price, whether it be a so-called "suggested manufacturers price" or an average price of that charged by dealers, then it's a discounted price.

In the case of the eyepiece sale noted in post #70 above, the eyepiece is being sold on sale at $164. 80. The usual price for this type of eyepiece, whether you call it a suggested list price or an average dealer price is almost $200.00. So, whatever you call it, a discounted price, a sale price or a special, really doesn't matter, it's still substantially less than the usual and customary price...

Up here in Canada most items are advertised with an MSP which is provided by the manufacturer, S=Suggested  Usually the dealer sells it somewhat less but under some cases the price could be higher, its not a discount as the final selling price is determied by the dealer, they are given a free hand to set the price thats why the prices for the same item can fluctate considerably from dealer to dealer  Sure the dealers get a discount based on the quanity of an item they take from the manufacturer but should have nothing to do with this questionable issue, why should it, I think this whole thread started out with a hidden, maybe .........  If like I am talking ie dealers setting there own prices then this whole thread is rediculous, did know one here remember ' free enterprise ' ??  Discount prices are know one's but the dealers business, ever


Edited by LDW47, 03 August 2021 - 05:43 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2021 - 03:19 PM

It all started with me asking what I thought was a pretty straightforward question, but quickly became a discussion about geopolitics and trade policies.

After the long and winding discussion about those things, Starman1 just recently got to the issue I was asking about. According to him, perhaps the two specific eyepieces I was asking about aren't exactly clones, it might be better described as a given product masquerades as other products, but with the same specifications, it's just disguised.

It did wind all over the place but its not surprising given the .........




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