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W. Watson & Sons Telescope. whatyear was it made

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#1 mezzanine

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Posted 19 October 2021 - 11:12 AM

I am new to Cloudy Nights so please bear with me. I bought an old telescope of a man whose house I bought and he did not want to move it as it was very heavy,  I have recently weighed it and is 11.3 kilos (25 lbs). This was about 40 years ago. at the time I had a Tasco and thought I would refurb this one to take over from the Tasco but never got around to it. I took it out of the store recently and wonder if anyone can give me some information on it as I am thinking of selling it but would like to find out how old it is. It is on a mahogany wood stand the legs are 157cm long (5.15 feet) the barrel is 100cm (3.28 feet) closed and 117cm (3.84 feet) fully open. The diameter is 8.5cm (3.4 inches). it has a sighting scope on left hand side 27cm long (10.6 inches)  and a knurled know for adjustment on the right side.. The body although being brass is factory finished in grey all other parts being brass. Around the back plate are the words. EDUCATIONAL W. Watson & Sons Ltd, 313 High Holborn, London WC1 also on the main ring is a number 2115. I have attached a photo hoping this will help any information would be appreciated.

Many thanks and stay safe.

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Posted 19 October 2021 - 12:15 PM

W. Watson built microscopes here in Great Britain so you may find info on Google.



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Posted 19 October 2021 - 12:22 PM

W. Watson built microscopes here in Great Britain so you may find info on Google.

I’ve run across their name on an old refractor over the years as well. This seems to be another sample of that subset. Interesting scope- a nice antique 3” refractor.



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Posted 19 October 2021 - 12:30 PM

The "Ltd" designation was supposedly established in 1908 (Wiki), but that may be incorrect.

 

The instrument number is likely serial, and the company confirmed a similar telescope with #1432 was produced in 1910.  They remained at their 313 location into the 1950s late 1940s, so your telescope's manufacture almost certainly fits within that range.

 

A 1903 ad referenced their "EDUCATIONAL" model telescope with a price of 5 pounds, 1 shilling.

 

More info here:

https://www.cloudyni...881-telescopes/

https://en.wikipedia..._Watson_and_Son

https://www.sellinga...ons-ltd-london/

http://www.philharrington.net/old.htm

 

If I find more info, I'll follow up.

Best wishes.

Dan

 

EDIT:  Seems the company dissolved in 1948, and I thought I'd run across a note that it was acquired by another company, but I can't find that reference, now.  I would think your #2115 dates to the late '10s/early '20s, but that's a guess.


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Posted 19 October 2021 - 01:41 PM

Thank you all for your very welcome interest, I have spent a lot of time searching the internet and that is how I came across Cloudynights which was the only site with a lot of information on this and other telescopes etc. I have googles the name followed by EDUCATIONAL followed by the number 2115 in various ways without too much joy.

 

According to website      https://www.gracesgu...Watson_and_Sons

 

They closed the optical side in 1956 and were taken over by Pye Instruments and went on to produce the Barnet ventilator, an electronic replacement for the iron lung.

 

Again many thanks for any interest and help.

 

Kind regards to all


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Posted 19 October 2021 - 05:36 PM

The "Ltd" designation was supposedly established in 1908 (Wiki), but that may be incorrect.

 

The instrument number is likely serial, and the company confirmed a similar telescope with #1432 was produced in 1910.  They remained at their 313 location into the 1950s late 1940s, so your telescope's manufacture almost certainly fits within that range.

 

A 1903 ad referenced their "EDUCATIONAL" model telescope with a price of 5 pounds, 1 shilling.

 

More info here:

https://www.cloudyni...881-telescopes/

https://en.wikipedia..._Watson_and_Son

https://www.sellinga...ons-ltd-london/

http://www.philharrington.net/old.htm

 

If I find more info, I'll follow up.

Best wishes.

Dan

 

EDIT:  Seems the company dissolved in 1948, and I thought I'd run across a note that it was acquired by another company, but I can't find that reference, now.  I would think your #2115 dates to the late '10s/early '20s, but that's a guess.

Limited (Ltd) companies made their appearance in UK in the 1840s, I think. The oldest one still trading dates from 1856.  David


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Posted 19 October 2021 - 09:46 PM

Dicken’s A Christmas Carol takes place 24-25 December, 1843. The firm of Scrooge and Marley was an Ltd.

 

http://www.ontariote...annotateact.pdf

 

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Posted 19 October 2021 - 10:25 PM

Forgive my verbiage - I failed to make myself clear.

 

I meant to say:  W. Watson & Sons became a limited company in 1908.  I was not suggesting that "Ltd" was a nonexistent corporate structure until 1908 - just that (per Wiki and at least one other source) W. Watson & Sons became W. Watson & Sons Ltd in 1908.

 

Best wishes.

Dan


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Posted 21 October 2021 - 02:54 AM

I was under the impression my 6" Watson "Century" refractor was from 1900

hence the name but the company was Ltd when it was made.

 

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Posted 21 October 2021 - 06:07 PM

I was under the impression my 6" Watson "Century" refractor was from 1900

hence the name but the company was Ltd when it was made.

 

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For what they're worth:

 

The "Century" line was produced at least through 1915 and likely beyond.  Its name suggests it was introduced around 1900, sure.

 

Century models included 3-, 3.5-, 4-, 5-, and 6-inch apertures.

 

I've found "W. Watson & Sons" (w/o "Ltd." designation) telescope serial #s up to #1090.  I have not encountered any "W. Watson & Sons Ltd." telescope serial #s preceding 1190.  Of course, that's hardly a thorough survey.

 

Serial #s for other Watson products (i.e. gun sights, hand "draw" scopes, microscopes, etc.) maintained their own sequences.

 

I've seen microscopes dated as late as 1902 reference "...Sons," while a 1915 model referenced "...Sons Ltd."

 

"Photograph of a microtome" copyrighted November 1906 (U.K. National Archives) references "W. Watson & Sons" as copyright holder.

 

Best wishes.

Dan




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