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#76 Rcooch

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Posted 31 December 2021 - 07:09 AM

i am in the market for the Canon IS 15x50. Should i be rethinking my choice to the 18x50? does anybody have both for a good comparison



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Posted 31 December 2021 - 09:46 AM

Identical shape, weight, ergonomics and views except for viewing scale and steadiness. If you are willing to sit in a comfortable (camping) chair and train a bit how hold it, get the 18x50. Leaning against a wall or car works too. The stabilization of the 18x50 is not quite enough for free standing use. It supresses the small vibrations, but the upper body sways too much. The 15x50 can be used sitting and if needed standing, which means it is better suited for many folks looking for a tool for quick looks. The 20% magnification difference is significant. This is why there are two models.


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 10:18 AM

The stabilization of the 18x50 is not quite enough for free standing use.

Depends on what you're looking at -- yes, for astronomy and looking straight up, it's still slightly wobbly. But for daytime use -- birding, looking at ships going by, etc, it works just fine standing up. But in that case I can tuck my elbows in for extra stability which doesn't work when looking at the zenith.


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 10:34 AM

i am in the market for the Canon IS 15x50. Should i be rethinking my choice to the 18x50? does anybody have both for a good comparison

4.5vs 3.7FOV is also something to consider. 


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 01:04 PM

Depends on what you're looking at -- yes, for astronomy and looking straight up, it's still slightly wobbly. But for daytime use -- birding, looking at ships going by, etc, it works just fine standing up. But in that case I can tuck my elbows in for extra stability which doesn't work when looking at the zenith.

I agree with this based solely on my experience with the newest 18x50s from Taiwan. What I know is that at 58 years old and 6'-03", I am not the steadiest binocular holder around, far from it. In fact, I have trouble using non-stabilized 8X binoculars while standing unless I hold them perfectly. This is when looking near the horizon and still there is enough shake to reduce seeing. However, I have no problems hand-holding the 18x50 IS Canons while standing when looking near the horizon with a little less care than I need with 8X binoculars. They just seem steadier than the 8X (and of course the extra amount of detail that can be seen at 18X is incredible).

 

Having read many reports of steadiness difficulty while standing with the 18x50's, I can only think that the IS on the latest 18x50's from Taiwan has been modernized and improved. It just feels a lot more responsive than I was expecting from reading old user reports. Looking at the zenith while standing, handheld, is going to be problematic for me no matter what binoculars I'm holding. Of course, a reclining chair solves that nicely.


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 01:37 PM

I’d fall over if I tried looking at the zenith while standing up with any type of handheld binoculars. 


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Posted 31 December 2021 - 04:38 PM

It does sound a little as if the IS might have improved. Mhh.

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Posted 04 January 2022 - 05:09 AM

Hi all,

I'm glad I decided to take my defective one with me on the trip. I didn't expect stuff like M42 or even M81/M82 looking that good in a binocular! The downside is that I can only send it in for repair on warranty now (which i understand, it's a used item now). That's what I will do. I suppose it may take a long time until I get it back but I still have my Nikon 10x50 Action Ex and a 10" dobsonian for stargazing so I can wait. I'll let you know about the result.


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 02:17 PM

I received a pair of brand new 18x50s two days ago. They have the same focuser issue that some have described above.

 

What's weird is that the focuser on the 18x50s looks identical to the focuser on my 10x42s and yet the 18x50s has about 12-14 degrees of play, while the 10-42s has none. How is that possible? I will be sending them back to the vendor. 


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 02:33 PM

Hm, it seems Canon does indeed have a problem there. Maybe a complete batch of binos that's faulty? Would be interesting to know the serial numbers of the faulty units.
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Posted 14 January 2022 - 05:02 PM

Backlash or "freeplay"can be caused by wear in the gears (which with new binos isn't the case), or a loose engagement of the gear that need to be adjusted. It can even be as simple as plastic knob that you turn not being joined tightly with the gear it is attached to. Sometimes it is easily fixed just by tightening a set screw of the plastic knob, or whatever system it connect it to the gear. 


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 05:05 PM

I looked for a set screw. There is nothing I can see.
I’m certainly not going to try prying things apart on a brand new binocular.  


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 05:14 PM

Anyone get a new 15x50 with the same focuser problem? Certainly could be an issue with them as well.  I'd be really reluctant to take my chances buying a new 18x50 or 15x50 after all the focuser problems that have been found above.  

 

So glad the 10x42L I got last spring has a perfect focuser.  smile.gif   So far, no complaints about those.

 

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Posted 14 January 2022 - 05:42 PM

I received a pair of brand new 18x50s two days ago. They have the same focuser issue that some have described above.

 

What's weird is that the focuser on the 18x50s looks identical to the focuser on my 10x42s and yet the 18x50s has about 12-14 degrees of play, while the 10-42s has none. How is that possible? I will be sending them back to the vendor. 

That is so disappointing. I’m sorry to hear this.  Bad job by Canon.  I’ve had my 10x42 for five and a half years and the 18x50 for just over 4 years. Both were made in Japan.  Mine haven’t missed a beat, and I’ve sung their praises repeatedly.  

 

This disappointing experience of multiple forum members now is so poor.  I don’t think anyone should have to muck around to get their new binoculars right. Their new expensive binoculars, one should add. Send them back like you said!


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 06:13 PM

Yes, unfortunate, indeed.
I was just enjoying my $319 Obie 8x42s yesterday while waiting for my daughter to get out of school. The focuser on those is excellent. No backlash at all. 


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 09:21 PM

I’m certainly not going to try prying things apart on a brand new binocular.  

Yeah, don't remove the focus knob. Have them send you a good unit. 

 

I just removed the rubber ribbed cover, and the glossy sticker with the globe to find the screw.  Loosening it all the way did not cause any backlash. After I removed the focusing knob there was brass end of the shaft it attaches to. It turns very solid and without any baclkash. If your screw was loose the focus knob would just wiggle looser and be crooked. It would not cause any backlash. I tried. 

Unfortunately it seems that this is an issue deeper inside which I will not explore because it would require taking rubber "skin" off the binoculars, and a lot more than that.. 

 

This issue has to be raised to the Canon and you should get good tested replacements from the store. 

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Posted 14 January 2022 - 09:40 PM

I thought about doing exactly what you describe. Glad it was a fleeting thought. 


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 09:57 PM

The price on these has gone up by  30-40% in the past 3 years. It's optics quality does belong up in the "Alpha" class which justifies the price very much. Not to mention the IS feature. Unfortunately something was missed in recent batch, and it just needs to be fixed. This line of binoculars has a long history of not being faulty. 


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 10:18 PM

. It's optics quality does belong up in the "Alpha" class which justifies the price very much. 

Your version must have rose colored coatings.


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Posted 14 January 2022 - 10:26 PM

It actually does!


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Posted 16 January 2022 - 01:56 AM

I received a pair of brand new 18x50s two days ago. They have the same focuser issue that some have described above.

 

What's weird is that the focuser on the 18x50s looks identical to the focuser on my 10x42s and yet the 18x50s has about 12-14 degrees of play, while the 10-42s has none. How is that possible? I will be sending them back to the vendor. 

Yeah, my 10x42's from last spring are perfect too. 

 

Which retailer did you use for your recent purchase? Any chance they could be shipping the same ones again and again until someone keeps them? Mine came from B&H. 

 

And I wonder the Amazon price is $400 more? Usually, on most items like this, they come in within a few bucks of major discount retailers.



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Posted 16 January 2022 - 02:00 AM

Anyone get a new 15x50 with the same focuser problem? Certainly could be an issue with them as well.  I'd be really reluctant to take my chances buying a new 18x50 or 15x50 after all the focuser problems that have been found above.  

 

If you buy from a reputable Canon dealer, I don't see there is any risk. Each time B&H e-mailed me a return authorization immediately, no questions asked. I just printed it up, slapped it on the box with the defective binoculars re-boxed, and dropped it off at the local Mailbox store. About a week later my credit card gets refunded.



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Posted 16 January 2022 - 07:48 AM

Yeah, my 10x42's from last spring are perfect too. 

 

Which retailer did you use for your recent purchase? Any chance they could be shipping the same ones again and again until someone keeps them? Mine came from B&H. 

 

And I wonder the Amazon price is $400 more? Usually, on most items like this, they come in within a few bucks of major discount retailers.

Mine did not come from B&H. They were clearly a brand new, never-opened sample. 


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Posted 16 January 2022 - 03:18 PM

Mine did not come from B&H. They were clearly a brand new, never-opened sample. 

Thanks for that, that's mostly what I wanted to know. Although I think B&H may have other potential retail outlets with a different name. 

 

Considering that yours were delivered in a new, un-opened box and therefore this doesn't reflect poorly on your retailer (at all), is there a reason you don't want to identify the retailer? They are obviously blameless, I would just like more visibility on the supply chain and which retailers are delivering the early production from Taiwan.

 

Depending upon how long this problem continues, it may be useful to have a little more visibility.




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