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#801 Sniuk

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 08:17 AM

Here's some logs from this weekend. 

Bortle 5 ish. 

 

Saturday night was quite windy (21st), sunday night a bit better. 

 

Ive also found that when doing the meridian flip, goes to home position, then back to previous position, then flip... it is a bit weird that does 3 slews for a single flip..

 

for me at least, after the flip, guiding went worse. And even it was generally under  RMS1", in some cases got oval shaped stars (working at 2.67"/pix resolution,  with my older mount even RMS 1.89" was OK. ) although perhaps was breeze. 

 

Also a bit weird, after the flip, the reading of the electronic level changed the "roll"  from the initial 0.7º to around 1.9º. the lever is in the main body of the mount, and that doesn't move, so no idea.  Also the bubble level on the body itself didn't change at all. 

 

Anyway, here are the 3 logs for anyone interested. 

 

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 09:23 AM

Astronewbster,

Thanks for all the info and pics.

After you set your latitude on the mount, are you able to put it back in the case that way, or do you have to reset to near 90° or 0°?  I cannot tell from your picture if the foam is cut out enough to allow a wide range of latitudes that owners may live in.

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 09:48 AM

Astronewbster,

Thanks for all the info and pics.

After you set your latitude on the mount, are you able to put it back in the case that way, or do you have to reset to near 90° or 0°?  I cannot tell from your picture if the foam is cut out enough to allow a wide range of latitudes that owners may live in.

You do have to reset it for being able to fit it inside again.

 

That's sth to get used to as there's no clutches with this mount, manual move is not possible. Latitude is ok as just loose the adjustment bolt to 0°.  But mount needs to be parked or home while powered,  so it is possible to fit in case. Can be done through Unity either PC or Android app. (Or park through NiNa ).



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Posted 23 January 2023 - 09:55 AM

Question related to the NYX but setup. Has anyone tried to put the Pegasus Astro adapters on a CEM70 Tripier? I have my NYX being delivered on Wednesday. I have two of PA adapters plus 6 of the poles. I also have a EQ6r adapter for my CEM70 but I’m a loss on how to connect it. Me thinks I might need more parts 🙄

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 10:16 AM

Question related to the NYX but setup. Has anyone tried to put the Pegasus Astro adapters on a CEM70 Tripier? I have my NYX being delivered on Wednesday. I have two of PA adapters plus 6 of the poles. I also have a EQ6r adapter for my CEM70 but I’m a loss on how to connect it. Me thinks I might need more parts

did you contact Pegasus about this? you can check the dimensions of the adapters either on the website or manual. 

I've got the eq6 tripod for the Nyx as it is the one they said was compatible from start..and in order to avoid issues. No idea if works with CEM tripods or tripiers :S 


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Posted 23 January 2023 - 10:25 AM

Thanks! Yea I contacted Pegasus Astro forever ago and they said would work. I’ll reach back out. I had to an adapter for the iOptron tripier that makes it EQ6 compatible. That’s on the mount but all the bolts I have the adapters are too small for the center hole to mount. One last question. How many points of connection are there between the Pegasus adapters and an actual EQ6 mount? Does it just connect through the center bolt?

I emailed Pegasus Astro. They usually respond super fast, I’ll share.

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 10:44 AM

Thanks! Yea I contacted Pegasus Astro forever ago and they said would work. I’ll reach back out. I had to an adapter for the iOptron tripier that makes it EQ6 compatible. That’s on the mount but all the bolts I have the adapters are too small for the center hole to mount. One last question. How many points of connection are there between the Pegasus adapters and an actual EQ6 mount? Does it just connect through the center bolt?

2 points; the central bolt and theother one that fix it to the tripod (need to remove original eq6 azimuth part, and replace it with the bolt included as per picture. ) 

 

how long is the bolt coming from your iOptron tripier through your eq6 adapter? Not sure if it will be long enough...it actually wasn't for my original eq6 tripod , they are sending now an extender for the Nyx base so it can screw to eq6. 

 

That extender is in included with the eq6adapters now. As shown here 

https://www.facebook...99560171183041/

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 01:44 PM

I am interested in a Pegasus NYX101 for a C14. Any thoughts anyone?
The load would be near 58 lbs which is under the rating of 66 lbs.
It will be pier mounted.

As I understand it ratings for strain wave gear mounts can be taken at face value.
More than likely I will use a Hyperstar for astrophotography (which will be that 58 lbs) and visual at the normal focal length.

Thoughts?

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 01:46 PM

I am interested in a Pegasus NYX101 for a C14. Any thoughts anyone?
The load would be near 58 lbs which is under the rating of 66 lbs.
It will be pier mounted.

As I understand it ratings for strain wave gear mounts can be taken at face value.
More than likely I will use a Hyperstar for astrophotography (which will be that 58 lbs) and visual at the normal focal length.

Thoughts?

I’d be curious about this as well.



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Posted 23 January 2023 - 03:18 PM

I am interested in a Pegasus NYX101 for a C14. Any thoughts anyone?
The load would be near 58 lbs which is under the rating of 66 lbs.
It will be pier mounted.

As I understand it ratings for strain wave gear mounts can be taken at face value.
More than likely I will use a Hyperstar for astrophotography (which will be that 58 lbs) and visual at the normal focal length.

Thoughts?

NO!  No mount is magic and a C14 can challenge the best of them for anything other than planetary imaging.  Just because a mount can lift something does not mean that it is suitable for imaging with that configuration.  I won't even recommend that configuration for visual use.


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Posted 23 January 2023 - 04:13 PM

I am interested in a Pegasus NYX101 for a C14. Any thoughts anyone?
The load would be near 58 lbs which is under the rating of 66 lbs.
It will be pier mounted.

As I understand it ratings for strain wave gear mounts can be taken at face value.
More than likely I will use a Hyperstar for astrophotography (which will be that 58 lbs) and visual at the normal focal length.

Thoughts?

Many manufacturers tend to overstate the imaging capabilities of their mounts in their marketing materials. With that in mind, Pegasus only claims to be up to an 11 inch SCT, which is around half the weight of the C14. I actually think the C11 is a reasonable limit on any mount in this class so it seems Pegasus is being realistic here.

 

"From a small refractor to a fully loaded SCT 11-inch telescope, NYX-101 can easily handle the payload"

 

Also keep in mind that that 66lb capacity is only with sufficient counterweights.

 

When you're looking at things like 14" SCTs, you're really looking at mounts in the class of a CEM120 or similar. The larger size of the mirror means not only is there more weight, but that weight is further out from the top of the mount. If you use a guide scope with it, that often put the center of gravity even further away. That's a lot of torque for a mount to keep up with.

 

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 05:27 PM

Well, hopes dashed 😁. I guess I will stick with a Losmandy G11T

Thank you the insights!

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 05:47 PM

Well, hopes dashed . I guess I will stick with a Losmandy G11T

Thank you the insights!

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 05:56 PM

More on that, I suppose there may be some objections to the G11T also as the weight rating is the same…. I will make another post in the appropriate place.

Thanks

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 06:20 PM

More on that, I suppose there may be some objections to the G11T also as the weight rating is the same…. I will make another post in the appropriate place.

Thanks

Do you already have the C14? They are mostly impossible to get last time I checked.

 

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 06:53 PM

It's upsetting when you receive the Nyx-101 and you can't even turn it on if you were planning to use SkySafri or AsiAir with an iPhone or iPad as advertise. But PegasusAstro released it before the Unity App. was approved by Apple. You need to push Coordinates/time /date and turn on tracking with Unity App. before connecting your iPad to SkySafri for just visual observing, so I can't even do that. Along with Apple App. and the AsiAir fiasco all I see are Excuses and finger pointing.


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Posted 23 January 2023 - 07:46 PM

NO!  No mount is magic and a C14 can challenge the best of them for anything other than planetary imaging.  Just because a mount can lift something does not mean that it is suitable for imaging with that configuration.  I won't even recommend that configuration for visual use.

How about a 45lb C9.25 payload for visual? Would be in alt/az mode.


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Posted 23 January 2023 - 07:53 PM

It's upsetting when you receive the Nyx-101 and you can't even turn it on if you were planning to use SkySafri or AsiAir with an iPhone or iPad as advertise. But PegasusAstro released it before the Unity App. was approved by Apple. You need to push Coordinates/time /date and turn on tracking with Unity App. before connecting your iPad to SkySafri for just visual observing, so I can't even do that. Along with Apple App. and the AsiAir fiasco all I see are Excuses and finger pointing.

Apple App Store approval timelines are often non-deterministic, especially if it's a new publisher.

 

I get the frustration, but having seen lots of delayed apps over the years, I can only fault them but so much.

 

Pete



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Posted 23 January 2023 - 08:05 PM

“Do you already have the C14? They are mostly impossible to get last time I checked.”

The C14 is an early 80’s orange tube. I bought that, two C8’s, twoC5’s and two C90 Maks for $90 at auction. As a friend said “that is probably the best auction buy I will see in my lifetime “!

That being said, there is cleaning to do and one C8 has a pretty bad corrector plate, the C5’s had mud wasps. My first look through the C14 was difficult on on unbalanced G11.
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Posted 23 January 2023 - 11:16 PM

Apple App Store approval timelines are often non-deterministic, especially if it's a new publisher.

 

I get the frustration, but having seen lots of delayed apps over the years, I can only fault them but so much.

 

Pete

“Mobile Control”

“A mobile application for IOS and Android platforms allows you to control both axis of the mount, slew to installed catalogs of thousands of night sky targets and do a rough polar alignment through an electronic polar assistant.”

 

This was taken from the NYX 101 advertisement, They sure fooled me, because that’s what I thought I was going get do as soon as I receive my mount. Apple has nothing to do with writing that claim, so I put the entire blame on Pegasus and it’s marketing strategies. At least there should of been a disclaimer at the time of purchase that some Apps and other platforms are in working progress and may not be available when you receive your mount  and or are subject to change. 


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Posted 24 January 2023 - 12:57 AM

How about a 45lb C9.25 payload for visual? Would be in alt/az mode.

What C9.25 weighs 45 lbs?  That's like two C9.25s.


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Posted 24 January 2023 - 01:43 AM

What C9.25 weighs 45 lbs?  That's like two C9.25s.

It’s a hybrid setup with a lot of added/upgraded accessories to support visual and EAA. I’ll admit it has grown substantially over time from its humble beginnings. It has eventually outgrown the AZ Mount Pro it was originally intended for. Upgraded top/bottom rails, aluminum dewshield, computer, Baader Vario finder with camera, Pegasus Powerbox Advance, Feathertouch motorized focuser and controller, .7x focal reducer, OAG with imaging and guide camera or diagonal and eyepiece (depending on visual or EAA use), a handle to safely carry the scope, and a sturdy L bracket to mount the scope in horizontal orientation on a yet to be acquired upgraded alt/az mount with suitable capacity. Total weight is actually around 40lbs but want some overhead for assurance. Also to eliminate cord wrap, a 22ah LiFePO4 battery will be added to the setup, probably as a counterweight. All necessary items, like all of Princess Vespa’s luggage in Spaceballs, of course!


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Posted 24 January 2023 - 02:24 AM

You might be OK, but if you came to me looking for one, I would probably recommend something else.  And don't even think about using the light-weight carbon fiber tripod.  I've had C11s set up for imaging that weighed less.  It's in my best interest to ensure that people buy equipment that will not disappoint them, so take my advise for what it's worth.


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Posted 24 January 2023 - 03:22 AM

You might be OK, but if you came to me looking for one, I would probably recommend something else.  And don't even think about using the light-weight carbon fiber tripod.  I've had C11s set up for imaging that weighed less.  It's in my best interest to ensure that people buy equipment that will not disappoint them, so take my advice for what it's worth.

Agree with not using lightweight tripods with heavy loads. I have two tri-piers that are up to the task. Thanks for the honest feedback. The search continues…..



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Posted 24 January 2023 - 03:34 AM

It's upsetting when you receive the Nyx-101 and you can't even turn it on if you were planning to use SkySafri or AsiAir with an iPhone or iPad as advertise. But PegasusAstro released it before the Unity App. was approved by Apple. You need to push Coordinates/time /date and turn on tracking with Unity App. before connecting your iPad to SkySafri for just visual observing, so I can't even do that. Along with Apple App. and the AsiAir fiasco all I see are Excuses and finger pointing.

Skysafari works for me. What problem do you have with it ? Can't you not connect to Nyx hotspot ?




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