Jump to content

  •  

CNers have asked about a donation box for Cloudy Nights over the years, so here you go. Donation is not required by any means, so please enjoy your stay.

Photo

Dear Facebook, my Telescope is not a weapon...

Dob Orion
  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
19 replies to this topic

#1 JJDreese

JJDreese

    Vostok 1

  • *****
  • topic starter
  • Posts: 137
  • Joined: 16 Nov 2020
  • Loc: Texas

Posted 20 May 2022 - 02:34 PM

For the second time in a year, Facebook has removed an ad I had listed for a used Dobsonian because it violates their Weapons Policy.

They allowed me to ask for a review of their decision. Last time, I did this too, and they said they were upholding their decision and it would stay removed because it was clearly, you know, a weapon, lol.

 

Does anybody know what it is about a telescope ad that triggers this bizarre interpretation?  There is nobody at Facebook to explain this (they have no ombudsman).

It made it past the original listing and it was only when I tried to use their Boost option that they took the ad down for the weapons violation.  So perhaps the key is to not use their promotion service?

 

Hopefully someday they'll add "Telescope" to their huge plethora of item categories.

Any thoughts or suggestions?


 

#2 John Fitzgerald

John Fitzgerald

    In Focus

  • *****
  • Posts: 11,414
  • Joined: 04 Jan 2004
  • Loc: near Elkins and Pettigrew, Arkansas

Posted 20 May 2022 - 02:36 PM

Advertise it on CN, not bookface.


 

#3 BrentKnight

BrentKnight

    Aurora

  • *****
  • Moderators
  • Posts: 4,799
  • Joined: 29 Dec 2014
  • Loc: Foley, Alabama

Posted 20 May 2022 - 02:42 PM

Advertise it on CN, not bookface.

That's an excellent suggestion.


 

#4 Astrojensen

Astrojensen

    James Webb Space Telescope

  • *****
  • Posts: 15,128
  • Joined: 05 Oct 2008
  • Loc: Bornholm, Denmark

Posted 20 May 2022 - 02:53 PM

FarceBook is good for many things, selling scopes is not one of them. 

 

 

Clear skies!

Thomas, Denmark


 

#5 Neanderthal

Neanderthal

    Messenger

  • *****
  • Posts: 439
  • Joined: 03 Dec 2021
  • Loc: SW Missouri

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:02 PM

FarceBook is good for many things, selling scopes is not one of them. 

 

 

Clear skies!

Thomas, Denmark

 

Ironically - it's where I found mine. I only created an account to sell some motorcycle stuff and once that was done, I forgot about it. Later on, when looking for a scope (October 2021), Dob's for sale were hard to find and I lucked into this one. I'm not a fan of any of those phone-based social media sites.


Edited by Neanderthal, 20 May 2022 - 03:03 PM.

 

#6 John Fitzgerald

John Fitzgerald

    In Focus

  • *****
  • Posts: 11,414
  • Joined: 04 Jan 2004
  • Loc: near Elkins and Pettigrew, Arkansas

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:03 PM

FarceBook is good for many things, selling scopes is not one of them. 

 

 

Clear skies!

Thomas, Denmark

Off topic, but to me, it's good for nothing but creating discord.


 

#7 JJDreese

JJDreese

    Vostok 1

  • *****
  • topic starter
  • Posts: 137
  • Joined: 16 Nov 2020
  • Loc: Texas

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:05 PM

I've bought and sold a few Dobs on Facebook.  It usually works well for me, but I live in a huge mega metropolitan area.


 

#8 SkyCruzr

SkyCruzr

    Viking 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 954
  • Joined: 03 Feb 2015
  • Loc: Colorado

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:05 PM

I once listed an 80mm refractor on the FB. I mistakenly called it a scope. It was 86'd in a hurry. Changed scope to telescope and problem was over. Ended up selling it on CN.


 

#9 Neanderthal

Neanderthal

    Messenger

  • *****
  • Posts: 439
  • Joined: 03 Dec 2021
  • Loc: SW Missouri

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:06 PM

Off topic, but to me, it's good for nothing but creating discord.

I agree. I don't have a single post, "like" or anything on my account. Nada.


 

#10 JJDreese

JJDreese

    Vostok 1

  • *****
  • topic starter
  • Posts: 137
  • Joined: 16 Nov 2020
  • Loc: Texas

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:15 PM

I once listed an 80mm refractor on the FB. I mistakenly called it a scope. It was 86'd in a hurry. Changed scope to telescope and problem was over. Ended up selling it on CN.

I think you are on to something. I do have "automatic" and "scope" in the text, so I'll try fixing that.  I'll change it to sc0p3,   lol.


 

#11 James Peirce

James Peirce

    Mariner 2

  • *****
  • Posts: 230
  • Joined: 21 Aug 2020
  • Loc: Salt Lake City, Utah, United States

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:43 PM

It’s probably just because it is a cylinder with bits on which is just enough to confuse their dumb algorithms. Possibly with words like “scope” in there seeding the algorithm toward flagging it.

No way Facebook is going to fuss over spending real human energy on this sort of thing.
 

#12 Jim R

Jim R

    Viking 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 515
  • Joined: 20 Jul 2017

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:56 PM

My ONLY use for facebook is for various astronomical users' groups.


 

#13 Jeffmar

Jeffmar

    Surveyor 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 1,897
  • Joined: 18 Mar 2012
  • Loc: salt lake city, utah

Posted 20 May 2022 - 03:58 PM

Sometimes those older f/15 refractors are called yard cannons. That’s part of what makes them so cool to own!grin.gif

 

gallery 207634 4938 809539 2

 

#14 John Fitzgerald

John Fitzgerald

    In Focus

  • *****
  • Posts: 11,414
  • Joined: 04 Jan 2004
  • Loc: near Elkins and Pettigrew, Arkansas

Posted 20 May 2022 - 05:26 PM

My ONLY use for facebook is for various astronomical users' groups.

Too bad the groups choose to use that mess, instead of the forums here.

I don't join them because of the host site(fb).


Edited by John Fitzgerald, 20 May 2022 - 05:27 PM.

 

#15 Jon Isaacs

Jon Isaacs

    ISS

  • *****
  • Posts: 100,566
  • Joined: 16 Jun 2004
  • Loc: San Diego and Boulevard, CA

Posted 20 May 2022 - 05:54 PM

They allowed me to ask for a review of their decision. Last time, I did this too, and they said they were upholding their decision and it would stay removed because it was clearly, you know, a weapon, lol.

 

Are you allowed any sort of defense, say a link to an Orion web page?

 

Jon


 

#16 BrentKnight

BrentKnight

    Aurora

  • *****
  • Moderators
  • Posts: 4,799
  • Joined: 29 Dec 2014
  • Loc: Foley, Alabama

Posted 20 May 2022 - 06:36 PM

Moderator Note:

 

I think the point has been made that some of us don't like Facebook.  Let's try to keep this on topic now...


 

#17 Ihtegla Sar

Ihtegla Sar

    Apollo

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,462
  • Joined: 02 Apr 2019
  • Loc: Pacific Northwest

Posted 20 May 2022 - 06:50 PM

 

Does anybody know what it is about a telescope ad that triggers this bizarre interpretation?

I avoid social media sites like the plague (CN being the sole exception).  But most of the really big sites sites are run by "algorithms" meaning an AI makes most of these types of decisions based on whatever algorithm it has been programmed with, and it can be tough to get an actual human to spend enough time looking at the issue to rectify the mistake. It seems likely that the AI looking at this cannot distinguish between a picture of a telescope and a cannon. Kind of like the "Robot" tests on the Geico commerial.


Edited by Ihtegla Sar, 20 May 2022 - 06:55 PM.

 

#18 John Fitzgerald

John Fitzgerald

    In Focus

  • *****
  • Posts: 11,414
  • Joined: 04 Jan 2004
  • Loc: near Elkins and Pettigrew, Arkansas

Posted 20 May 2022 - 07:24 PM

To the crude AI of FB, it looks like a cannon from the 1600s.


 

#19 gwlee

gwlee

    Gemini

  • *****
  • Posts: 3,357
  • Joined: 06 Sep 2015
  • Loc: 38N 120W

Posted 20 May 2022 - 08:55 PM

Censorship isn’t limited to FB. From experience, I know that innocently using a banned word on CN will get your posts deleted or censored here too. Unfortunately, there’s no publicly available list of banned words, but innocently use one of them and you will find out. 


 

#20 BrentKnight

BrentKnight

    Aurora

  • *****
  • Moderators
  • Posts: 4,799
  • Joined: 29 Dec 2014
  • Loc: Foley, Alabama

Posted 20 May 2022 - 10:19 PM

This topic has run it's course, and since it won't stay on topic it is now lock.gif .


 


CNers have asked about a donation box for Cloudy Nights over the years, so here you go. Donation is not required by any means, so please enjoy your stay.


Recent Topics





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: Dob, Orion



Cloudy Nights LLC
Cloudy Nights Sponsor: Astronomics