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#26 Sarkikos

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 01:50 PM

So a new TEC turret is in the pipeline?

Or a new Tak turret?  The reference is not clear.

 

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 01:52 PM

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There is no history without written language.  Oral traditions and stories are not history.  You are talking about prehistory, not history.  The divide between history and prehistory is the written word.

 

As I said, "Before writing, there was no history."

 

If ever we needed an example of people who don't know the correct use of words, we have one right here lol.gif

 

Besides, as another poster to this thread already mentioned, the written word can be much more efficient than video.  I was able to give a synopsis of all the important facts and opinions expressed in the video - and even some not so important - in one short post easily read in a minute or two.  The YouTube video was 18 minutes, nearly one-third of which was just the unboxing!  lol.gif

"History consists of making arguments about what happened in the past on the basis of what people recorded (in written documents, cultural artifacts, or oral traditions) at the time."

 

https://www.historia...ory-is-produced

 

Much can be displayed in a video that requires far more words to explain, like what the tightening screws look like, or which part of the eyepiece holder unscrews unintentionally.

 

"A picture is worth a thousand words" is a saying that has real meaning, after all.



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Posted 03 August 2022 - 01:52 PM

Can't see Tak changing theirs....


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Posted 03 August 2022 - 01:58 PM

So a new TEC turret is in the pipeline?

Yes, though the waiting list is already filled for it:

 

https://www.telescop...yepiece-turret/

 

There's a side discussion about the new TEC turret here, where Mike demonstrates well the clarity and elegance of the written language (as opposed to Tamiji's photos).



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Posted 03 August 2022 - 02:02 PM

"History consists of making arguments about what happened in the past on the basis of what people recorded (in written documents, cultural artifacts, or oral traditions) at the time."

 

https://www.historia...ory-is-produced

 

Much can be displayed in a video that requires far more words to explain, like what the tightening screws look like, or which part of the eyepiece holder unscrews unintentionally.

 

"A picture is worth a thousand words" is a saying that has real meaning, after all.

Yes, history is "making arguments about what happened in the past."  AFAIK, all serious historical research is still being done in text, in the form of books and in papers in peer-reviewed journals.  But the original sources of information about the past - whether documents, artifacts or traditions - is not history.

 

Somethings are better done in video:  Hands-on procedures and equipment layout.  Much of what is shown today in videos is a waste of time.  It would be much more efficient to present the information in text.

 

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Posted 03 August 2022 - 02:04 PM

Yes, though the waiting list is already filled for it:

 

https://www.telescop...yepiece-turret/

 

There's a side discussion about the new TEC turret here, where Mike demonstrates well the clarity and elegance of the written language (as opposed to Tamiji's photos).

So, it is a new TEC turret, not a new Tak turret?  I'm glad that was cleared up.

 

No, I pointed out the potential ambiguity of language when referents are not made clear.

 

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 08:21 AM

This is the first I knew of a new TEC turret, or waiting list crazy.gif


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Posted 04 August 2022 - 12:04 PM

This is the first I knew of a new TEC turret, or waiting list crazy.gif

Actually, I had heard of it.  I also heard it's $1200.

 

https://www.telescop...yepiece-turret/

 

Mike


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Posted 04 August 2022 - 12:08 PM

My Takahashi 4 Turret arrived today. I ordered it on Monday. It is a quality device and I cant wait to get out with it. Can someone take care of the clouds for me?


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Posted 04 August 2022 - 12:09 PM

Actually, I had heard of it.  I also heard it's about $1200, maybe more.

 

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Waaaay too much, my little Tak turret is safe.


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Posted 04 August 2022 - 12:13 PM

You can buy a pair of Tak Turrets for the price of the Tec Turret.  The pair of Tak Turrets could handle eight eyepieces, three more than the Tec.  But you would need to switch the Tak Turrets once in a while.

 

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 04:13 PM

Not here to wax philosophical, but to say I appreciate the video review. When it comes to mechanical demonstration, imo nothing illustrates the message better than seeing it in action. I saw your review of a different turret on the AP forums and I think it would have been pretty difficult to write up a review as comprehensive as that. 
 

Time is the most valuable resource any of us have, and I appreciate the time and effort that goes into each and every contribution here. 


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Posted 04 August 2022 - 05:06 PM

Someone needs to use a tak turret and put 4 Baader turrets into it. 16 eyepieces anyone? bow.gif grin.gif


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Posted 04 August 2022 - 05:50 PM

Actually, I had heard of it.  I also heard it's $1200.

 

https://www.telescop...yepiece-turret/

 

Mike

Funny thing, the picture shows the old turret with the eyepiece compression screws removed. I guess it's better than duct tapping the new click locks on and presenting that.


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Posted 04 August 2022 - 06:29 PM

Funny thing, the picture shows the old turret with the eyepiece compression screws removed. I guess it's better than duct tapping the new click locks on and presenting that.

This was posted by Yuri on his TEC-Scopes FB group in June. I imagine he never had to update the website as the signup list filled up extremely quickly, in a matter of hours it seems.

 

He left open the possibility of another production run past the initial run of 50 units.

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 09:47 PM

Looks good!!



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Posted 04 August 2022 - 10:37 PM

I was thinking about the $1200 price for the new TEC turret.  It's reasonable to assume that the 5 Baader clicklocks would add another $500 over what the old turret cost. I forgot how much my turret cost($500-$700????), but $1200 seems fair.



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 03:44 AM

It is because of an incident about hundred years ago (well it feels like, it were in the end of yhe 70's cool.gif ) when i unscrewd a Polarex/Unitron turret by mistake and felt on the ground including all the ep's...

 

I've always been hesitant to buy such a rotating eyepiece holder..

 

...and then there were only some othoscopic and kelner eyepieces in it...

 

Is it just me who thinks this?



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 05:39 AM

It is because of an incident about hundred years ago (well it feels like, it were in the end of yhe 70's cool.gif ) when i unscrewd a Polarex/Unitron turret by mistake and felt on the ground including all the ep's...

The is why the VSI turret has a really good HANDLE on the back - to get a good hold of it before releasing from the scope.

 

It is also useful for slewing the scope, manually, and something to hang the hand control from.


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Posted 05 August 2022 - 06:39 AM

Perhaps someone could reach out to Baader and ask for a Clicklock designed to go in place of the OE Tak locks?


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Posted 05 August 2022 - 08:34 AM

It is because of an incident about hundred years ago (well it feels like, it were in the end of yhe 70's cool.gif ) when i unscrewd a Polarex/Unitron turret by mistake and felt on the ground including all the ep's...

 

I've always been hesitant to buy such a rotating eyepiece holder..

 

...and then there were only some othoscopic and kelner eyepieces in it...

 

Is it just me who thinks this?

There are several interpretations for what you are thinking about. Not sure which one to address. 



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:00 AM

It is because of an incident about hundred years ago (well it feels like, it were in the end of yhe 70's cool.gif ) when i unscrewd a Polarex/Unitron turret by mistake and felt on the ground including all the ep's...

 

I've always been hesitant to buy such a rotating eyepiece holder..

 

...and then there were only some othoscopic and kelner eyepieces in it...

 

Is it just me who thinks this?

No, because the tactile feeling rotating of the turrets in my possession (TEC, Baader) is nothing like the feeling of unscrewing a nosepiece.

 

In particular, if I don't feel a click in the expected position, I know something has gone wrong.

Must be said though: a tightened Takahashi clamp allowing a user to unscrew the entire shaft is something I've experienced with the various Antares, Blue Fireball, etc knockoffs of the same design, and that does give me the willies.



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:37 AM

This was posted by Yuri on his TEC-Scopes FB group in June. I imagine he never had to update the website as the signup list filled up extremely quickly, in a matter of hours it seems.

 

He left open the possibility of another production run past the initial run of 50 units.

Looks nice, but $1200 seems a bit much.  The Tak turret, which I have is only $580, and it's high quality.


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