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#1 Astronomygeek

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Posted 04 August 2022 - 11:14 PM

Is getting Orion apex 102 mak on tripod a better solution I want it for double star observing and if u have a mak sitting on a tripod plz send a pic of that I'm asking this cuz the fov of the mak is small and tracking may become difficult


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Posted 05 August 2022 - 04:46 AM

How much?

On budget the fist thing that comes into mind is the Celestron SLT mount https://www.celestro...puterized-mount

It has goto but you may mostly ignore this feature if are not interested.

It tracks well enough for visual, I have even done some low-level planetary imaging with it

It works with 8 AAs but it is better to get a 12V external battery; the mount comes with a cigarette lighter powercord.



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:05 AM

Sir I mean by mount is photographic tripod



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:09 AM

You will certainly want a tripod bigger and more stable than this simple camera tripod:

 

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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:11 AM

Not like this sir 


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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:12 AM

More like bigger version of celestron travel scope mount a lot huge than it 


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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:12 AM

My friend Will purchase it 



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:33 AM

Am not sure if am understanding what you want...anyway, I use my VMC95 with a kind of astronomical mount called "T-mount" which may be used with standard phototripods:

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The wooden "legs" are a Berlebach Report tripod (a good compromise between stiffness and transportability)

https://www.berlebac...te&kategorie=41

"t-mounts" can be got from retailer of astronomical stuff: this is one of the cheapest https://www.teleskop...otostative.html

this is a more "polished" model from Berlebach https://www.teleskop...montierung.html



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:35 AM

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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:35 AM

This mount sir and how can we put that scope on this mount



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Posted 05 August 2022 - 09:51 AM

This mount sir and how can we put that scope on this mount

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Have you read the instruction sheet? There is something called "quick release plate", screw it to the mak and enjoy.


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Posted 05 August 2022 - 03:38 PM

A small Mak will work on a lightweight photo tripod like you pictured. However, how well is debatable. I used a C-90 on a much heavier duty video tripod as my "grab-n-go" telescope for many years. The problem with a light weight tripod is that image may not be steady enough. Photo tripods function best in the horizontal position. They are not made to point high in the sky. My advice is to buy the sturdiest tripod you can afford and you will like the views much better waytogo.gif

 

https://oberwerk.com...and-head-combo/.

 

The mount is as important as the scope IMO hmm.gif


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Posted 06 August 2022 - 02:04 AM

Is getting Orion apex 102 mak on tripod a better solution I want it for double star observing and if u have a mak sitting on a tripod plz send a pic of that I'm asking this cuz the fov of the mak is small and tracking may become difficult

I think if you want tracking with a long focal length telescope (like the Apex 102), you'd be better off with a small equatorial mount. 

 

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Posted 06 August 2022 - 06:23 AM

I think if you want tracking with a long focal length telescope (like the Apex 102), you'd be better off with a small equatorial mount. 

 

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Agreed. Here’s a new light EQ offering from Orion that would pair well with the 102.

 

https://www.telescop...60/p/137323.uts



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Posted 06 August 2022 - 10:06 AM

I have an ETX125 Mak (with the Wegat back) and it was mounted on this, but I find GEM's to be a pain with Maks and SCT's.

 

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But I wanted something light, simple and easy to switch between my deck pier and my tripod, so I bought a SkyWatcher AZ-GTi from First Light Optics. They have three left in stock. You can get just the mounthead or with the tripod and extension pier. I love the simplicity of an Alt-Az mount. Unlike a GEM, the EP and finderscope always stay oriented the same no matter where it's pointed.

 

Not only can I use the AZ-GTi completely as a manual "push-to" Alt-Az, it also has "GoTo" if you want it (but it's not necessary) and you can manually point it at any object and tell it to "point and track" without any polar alignment at all. You can operate by hand or control it wirelessly with your phone and any planetarium app. I plan on doing some simple, short exposure photography (or video) on Moon, planetary and bright GSO objects. A GEM is not necessary for that.

The AZ-GTi is only 6" high and weighs only 3 lbs. and will easily handle your 102 Mak as it's payload is 11 lbs. 

 

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I have my own tripod, but you can get the whole package from FLO. Perfect mounting platform for a 102mm Mak...

 

I use it on my deck pier and my tripod...with my ETX 125mm Mak (which is a little over capacity at 12.4 lbs.)

 

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Posted 06 August 2022 - 01:08 PM

I have an ETX125 Mak (with the Wegat back) and it was mounted on this, but I find GEM's to be a pain with Maks and SCT's.

 

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But I wanted something light, simple and easy to switch between my deck pier and my tripod, so I bought a SkyWatcher AZ-GTi from First Light Optics. They have three left in stock. You can get just the mounthead or with the tripod and extension pier. I love the simplicity of an Alt-Az mount. Unlike a GEM, the EP and finderscope always stay oriented the same no matter where it's pointed.

 

Not only can I use the AZ-GTi completely as a manual "push-to" Alt-Az, it also has "GoTo" if you want it (but it's not necessary) and you can manually point it at any object and tell it to "point and track" without any polar alignment at all. You can operate by hand or control it wirelessly with your phone and any planetarium app. I plan on doing some simple, short exposure photography (or video) on Moon, planetary and bright GSO objects. A GEM is not necessary for that.

The AZ-GTi is only 6" high and weighs only 3 lbs. and will easily handle your 102 Mak as it's payload is 11 lbs. 

 

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I have my own tripod, but you can get the whole package from FLO. Perfect mounting platform for a 102mm Mak...

 

I use it on my deck pier and my tripod...with my ETX 125mm Mak (which is a little over capacity at 12.4 lbs.)

 

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Guess it depends on the targets. I mainly use my 6” Mak for the moon and planets and love the Skyview Pro mount and drive paired with it. I have marks on my roof from when a rough polar alignment years ago with my TV85 and Astroview got lucky and Jupiter would stay centered all evening if I wanted to just observe it. Works with the Skyview Pro tripod and Mak too. 


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Posted 07 August 2022 - 12:44 AM

Is getting Orion apex 102 mak on tripod a better solution I want it for double star observing and if u have a mak sitting on a tripod plz send a pic of that I'm asking this cuz the fov of the mak is small and tracking may become difficult

The SkyWatcher 102 Skymax with AZ-GTi Mount could be really sweet.  Lightweight, portable, and it has goto and tracking. 

 

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Posted 07 August 2022 - 09:16 AM

The SkyWatcher 102 Skymax with AZ-GTi Mount could be really sweet.  Lightweight, portable, and it has goto and tracking. 

 

Patrick

I have my own 2" steel legged tripod, which by itself is not really all that heavy for how incredibly stable a platform it provides. The AZ-GTi handles my ETX125 (deforked with the Wegat back) which is 12.4 lbs. fully loaded. 

 

The whole AZ-GTi package is worthwhile, but I only needed the mounthead itself. It would be perfect for a 102mm Mak.

 

I've owned the Stellarvue MC2 manual Alt-Az and I loved it so much that I bought it twice (and sold it twice). The only thing I wished it had was the ability to track (which is why I also sold it...twice). I just wished the MC2 could track or I'd still have it.

 

The AZ-GTi is everything I wished the MC2 was and more. While the MC2 can easily handle more weight than the AZ-GTi, since I don't own any large, heavy scopes anymore it is fast becoming my favorite mount. It's so small and lightweight.

 

You can use the AZ-GTi as a simple, manually operated Alt-Az mount and just push it to any object you want and never even turn it on, if that's how you want to use it. But...it's also motorized which means you can also operate it wirelessly (built-in) with nothing more than your cellphone. You don't even need to use the full GoTo either. You can operate it manually and when you find an object, you can turn it on and use the "Point and Track" feature, so it tracks whatever you are looking at without any polar alignment required.

 

But it also has full GoTo functionality. You can operate the mount with your phone and any planetarium app, though you can also get the SynScan handcontroller (which I did as a backup option). The "i" version (versus the AZ-GTe) also has dual encoders, meaning if you do want full GoTo, you can polar align it and use it that way, but because of the dual encoders, at any point after alignment you can loosen the clutches and move your scope manually in any direction and then lock them again and it will not lose it's alignment. It also has a camera port to use with with any DSLR so you can send the camera commands through the mount itself.

 

Runs on 12v. I use a Talentcell 11,000mAh li-ion battery that lasts over multiple nights with out needing a recharge. But you can get any size battery you want. One guy got a 3000mAh Talentcell and the pack is so small he can fit it into the mount's "AA" battery compartment. The mount is small, light, no wires hanging off it and everything built into it. Technology at its finest. About the only drawback is its "listed" payload is only 11 lbs. (but many go way beyond it without issues for visual and limited astrophotography).

 

This is mine with the battery pack attached to the mount (still a very small complete package)...

 

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So this little thing replaces ALL of this mess and weight!!!

 

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Posted 07 August 2022 - 10:10 AM

The Apex 102 is sharp as a tack.  The problem with double stars is it doesn't have a large enough aperture to pick up dim companion stars.



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Posted 07 August 2022 - 10:11 AM

And also for variable stars it don't need that much aperture 


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Posted 07 August 2022 - 10:21 AM

More like bigger version of celestron travel scope mount a lot huge than it 

You mean like this? This mount is less than ideal with my ETX90 Mak on it. I might go so far as to say it is terrible. But it is useable with an understanding that there are better options.
The top mount style puts the weight of the scope above the axis of altitude rotation which necessitates careful tightening of the tension that is built into the guide handle.

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This Bogen 3021 with 3LT Airhed ball head with a C5 mounted "side saddle style" it is much better, if a little on the light side. With the scope mounted to the side it is balanced and centered with the axis of altitude rotation, and is able to stay balanced at any angle of altitude with zero tensioning.

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Posted 07 August 2022 - 10:23 AM

Hmm I've dropped that idea I'll build a small wooden fork mount for it is.This idea good


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Posted 07 August 2022 - 10:28 AM

Hmm I've dropped that idea I'll build a small wooden fork mount for it is.This idea good

A dobsonian style? That would work.



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Posted 07 August 2022 - 10:40 AM

Hmm I've dropped that idea I'll build a small wooden fork mount for it is.This idea good

Kind of like an ETX mount, but without electronics. 



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Posted 07 August 2022 - 10:45 AM

Kind of like an ETX mount, but without electronics. 

Yes sir 


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