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#1 Doug Culbertson

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Posted 19 December 2022 - 04:45 PM

Although most of my observing for the last year or so has been pretty much 100% solar, I've felt the need for a 10" or so dobsonian for those nights that I get the sudden urge to get out, but I want more aperture than my refractors. I chose a 10" solid tube dob for a number of reasons; easier set up, holds collimation better, plus my second real telescope was a 10" f/5 solid tube dob from a company long out of business named Z-Scope, so I was a bit nostalgic. While I do have a 10" SkyWatcher flextube goto dob, it has not been used in close to a year for various reasons, not least of which is the difficulty in using it manually, and I find the goto to be a pain. 

 

Being retired I am pretty well priced out of the  premium dob market, so I looked at the  imports as the Chinese and Taiwanese telescopes that I've owned in the past were just fine. After looking  at Orion, Apertura and Explore Scientific, I chose the ES because (a) it was in stock, (b) it was on sale and © I really liked the look of the tube rings holding larger trunnions. I put the telescope in my cart, but I didn't purchase right away. Later I received a 7% off coupon code from ES, so I ended up buying the package for $790 shipped. The telescope shipped two days later and arrived today.

 

First the unboxing; the base, trunnions, hardware and some accessories were in one double box, supported with closed cell foam in the sides. The OTA, a moon map, ReflexSight finder and a planesphere were in another heavy duty double box with closed cell foam supporting each end of the OTA. It was in fine condition on arrival, with no dents in the boxes, an everything in good order. 

 

The base goes together quite quickly, being built similar to furniture from Ikea, with posts and locking bolts. The holes for the posts had what appeared to be metal threaded inserts, so the posts screwed in easily. The whole thing went together in less than a half hour, including my reading the instructions three or four times to familiarize myself with the process. 

 

The OTA already had the rings installed, so the only thing left to do was install the trunnions with four hand knobs. 

 

Once it was together, I put in my laser collimator and all that was required was to tweak the secondary a little, and it was in perfect collimation according to the barlowed laser. 

 

The OTA has two dual purpose finder shoes consisting of one for the standard ES finders, and a Vixen/Synta shoe that fits into the ES shoe. The Hex focuser is sturdy and smooth. When I bought this telescope I thought that I would order the optional dual speed knob once the scope was here, but now I'm not so sure. The telescope is well balanced, once you find the right point, and I can now use anything from a 1.25" Plossl to a 30mm UFF in the GSO coma corrector. I have no doubt that my Maxbright II binoviewer will be just fine. The trunnions have what appears to be FRP wallboard affixed to them, and they ride on what looks like Teflon pads. The groundboard was already put together, but it feels like it uses the same materials. The motions are smooth, with just the right amount of stiction, and it seems to be very stable when moving it around. The flashlight test (yeah, I know) shows just a few dust motes on the primary mirror. The secondary has knobs that can be turned by hand with a screwdriver slot in the middle. 

 

Accessories included the typical cheap 25mm Plossl, a cheap red dot finder, the aforementioned ReflexSight that I will probably sell since I prefer a Telrad, a cell phone holder (?),  a planesphere and a moon map, both of which I will send to a friend of my wife's whose husband is just getting started in astronomy, and a Vixen type dovetail should one want to mount this on a GEM. As to the dovetail, why anyone would mount a 10" telescope on a GEM with anything less than a Losmandy type mount is beyond me, but at least they include it just in case. Maybe I'll find another use for the dovetail. 

 

I have the impression that the Firstlight series is aimed at beginners, but I have been at this for over 30 years and I am very pleased with it and can see this being my last foray into larger aperture reflectors. Of course, the telescope brought a cloudy night tonight, followed by temps way colder than I like to be out in, so it may be a few days before I can see how it performs on the night sky. 

 

Photos to follow. First are the unboxing, and I will put the photos of the telescope in a following post. 

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Posted 19 December 2022 - 04:47 PM

Pics of the telescope set up. On a side note, I was a bit surprised that the mirror cell lacks the four screw holes for a fan like the GSO and Synta dobs do. I guess that I will  rig something with Velcro on the back. 

 

 

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Posted 19 December 2022 - 04:58 PM

Nice review. Maybe whenever you get around to cleaning the mirror someday, you could then drill holes to mount a fan. How are you liking that focuser? The design is somewhat different than what is on a GSO-made scope. I agree about the model name, the "Firstlight" moniker is not fair to the product, IMO, lol. Nice score on the cart-discount too. smile.gif


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Posted 19 December 2022 - 05:37 PM

The secondary mirror holder looks smaller in your dob than the one pictured on the ES website. Also, yours has secondary adjustment screws that can be adjusted by hand. The secondary screws pictured on the website require a screwdriver. Explore Scientific needs to update the images on the website. 


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Posted 19 December 2022 - 05:43 PM

  Great looking scope. Clean lines and well-built appearance.

 Hope it performs well for you and keep us updated, particularly comparing to your refractors. Thanks


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Posted 19 December 2022 - 05:58 PM

The secondary mirror holder looks smaller in your dob than the one pictured on the ES website. Also, yours has secondary adjustment screws that can be adjusted by hand. The secondary screws pictured on the website require a screwdriver. Explore Scientific needs to update the images on the website. 

I agree. I was very surprised when I pulled the front cover off and saw the knobs. I had already planned to check out Bob's Knobs. 


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Posted 19 December 2022 - 06:01 PM

Nice review. Maybe whenever you get around to cleaning the mirror someday, you could then drill holes to mount a fan. How are you liking that focuser? The design is somewhat different than what is on a GSO-made scope. I agree about the model name, the "Firstlight" moniker is not fair to the product, IMO, lol. Nice score on the cart-discount too. smile.gif

Just running the focuser in and out I like it quite a bit. I seriously thought about the Orion Skyline 10" just because of the dual speed focuser, but I'm really glad that I bought this one instead. As Oddyse said, this one just has nice clean lines. There is a dual speed knob that I can buy if I feel that dual speed focusing is worth an extra $100+ though. 


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Posted 19 December 2022 - 06:05 PM

Just running the focuser in and out I like it quite a bit. I seriously thought about the Orion Skyline 10" just because of the dual speed focuser, but I'm really glad that I bought this one instead. As Oddyse said, this one just has nice clean lines. There is a dual speed knob that I can buy if I feel that dual speed focusing is worth an extra $100+ though. 

The focuser pictured on the website looks like it has an extension tube. Did yours come with an extension tube?


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Posted 19 December 2022 - 06:10 PM

The focuser pictured on the website looks like it has an extension tube. Did yours come with an extension tube?

Yes, it did come with an extension tube, but I don't know if I will need it. It's kind of weird in that you have to remove the visual back, screw in the extension, and then attach the visual back to the tube. Too much work, and I have a few extension tubes around here that insert into the focuser. 


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Posted 19 December 2022 - 09:41 PM

The reflex site included in that deal is effectively a Telrad. At least the one I got from ES is.

it uses dotted circles instead of solid like a true Telrad. I also like that it comes with a cover that acts as a dew shield.


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Posted 19 December 2022 - 10:13 PM

The ES is the dob I should have bought rather than the 10" SkyWatcher Flextube. The altitude bearing and balance is a critical factor in how well a dob works, and the SkyWatcher is a total fail on that point. You can fix the azimuth in most dobs, but it the altitude bearing setup is weak and the scope doesn't balance the scope will be disappointing to use.

 

Looking forward to your viewing report. 


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Posted 23 December 2022 - 01:32 AM

Nice scope!

 

Would you know if the tube can fit in the trunk of a small sedan?



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Posted 23 December 2022 - 02:38 AM

I have the 8" version with a similar story. Back then there was an introductory price, so I put it in my cart to think about it. I got a 10% off coupon, then it became a no brainer. The ES Firstlight is a barebones but solid platform. The large bearings and rotating rings are the single best feature, so much nicer IMO than other designs. Every Dob should have them, if you ask me. I'd say the focuser is strong, the spider assembly holds, the 6 point mirror cell is solid, and the (my) mirror tested at about 1/6 wave SA. Not bad. I am struck by the OP's scope being so white. I remember when mine was. It has seen a lot of use, and like all Dobs being a work in progress, a few modifications to personalize it. :lol: 


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Posted 23 December 2022 - 04:11 AM

I have the 8" version with a similar story. Back then there was an introductory price, so I put it in my cart to think about it. I got a 10% off coupon, then it became a no brainer. The ES Firstlight is a barebones but solid platform. The large bearings and rotating rings are the single best feature, so much nicer IMO than other designs. Every Dob should have them, if you ask me. I'd say the focuser is strong, the spider assembly holds, the 6 point mirror cell is solid, and the (my) mirror tested at about 1/6 wave SA. Not bad. I am struck by the OP's scope being so white. I remember when mine was. It has seen a lot of use, and like all Dobs being a work in progress, a few modifications to personalize it. lol.gif

Norme, have you checked if the 8" tube fits in the trunk of a sedan (say a Vios)? Want to check if I can use a Grabcar to transport an 8 to 10 inch Dob :)



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Posted 23 December 2022 - 04:11 AM

...and how do you get those coupons? :)



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Posted 23 December 2022 - 06:49 AM

Looks nice. Are motions smooth or jerky?



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Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:13 AM

...and how do you get those coupons? smile.gif

Usually by leaving an item in your cart overnight!

 

On some websites, if you leave an item in your cart, the price will (drop in the cart) by 10% or more in an effort to get to you complete checkout.

 

Nice scope, also wondering if it will fit in the back seat.  My 10' F4.7 fits, so an F5 would probably fit too.


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Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:22 AM

Usually by leaving an item in your cart overnight!

 

On some websites, if you leave an item in your cart, the price will (drop in the cart) by 10% or more in an effort to get to you complete checkout.

 

Nice scope, also wondering if it will fit in the back seat.  My 10' F4.7 fits, so an F5 would probably fit too.

Oh! That is interesting! :)


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Posted 23 December 2022 - 07:43 AM

Looks nice. Are motions smooth or jerky?

If I tell you, you'll do it. LoL

Okay, put it in your shopping cart and wait for it.

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Posted 23 December 2022 - 08:12 AM

As to the coupons, like Norme said, put it in your cart and wait. First they will send a 5% off, and if you wait they will up it to 7% off. If I had been more patient I might have gotten 10%, but I wanted it before Christmas.

 

Chas, the motions are smooth with just the right amount of stiction. I credit this to the large alt bearings and the use of FRP and Teflon on the alt and az surfaces. Norme nailed it when he said that the large alt bearings and rings are the best features of the Firstlight series. I have mine rotated to place the eyepiece and finder bracket at the perfect location and it’s balanced for all of my eyepieces. 
 

Of course it’s been cloudy since I got it and now it’s freezing, so I don’t know when I’ll be able to check out the mirror. 
 

Edit: I don’t know if it will fit the backseat of a sedan or not. I put it in the hatch of my Rav4 with one seat back lowered to get it from the house out to my observing shed in the pasture. 


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Posted 23 December 2022 - 08:16 AM

I did! Let me see if the price changes hehehe... That is a cool trick I learned just now from you folks! Thank you! smile.gif


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Posted 23 December 2022 - 08:17 AM

This is https://explorescientificusa.com/cart right? Doesn't apply to other third-party resellers I guess?



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Posted 23 December 2022 - 08:23 AM

I did! Let me see if the price changes hehehe... That is a cool trick I learned just now from you folks! Thank you! smile.gif

Good luck! waytogo.gif

 

I’m pretty sure that the coupon only applies directly to ES sales. 


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Posted 23 December 2022 - 09:29 AM

Doug, one simple mod I think you'll really appreciate. Replace the feet directly under the azimuth bearings. The improvement in stability was nothing short of profound.

I used the rotating rings to spin the tube so the mirror rests equally on two of the three edge supports to reduce the possibility of astigmatism. I think I had to rotate the primary mirror cell to do that, but it's very easy to do.

I'm glad more folks are discovering these scopes. Despite the Ikea style connections, they are pretty solid platforms. Gone are the days of uncommanded movement when changing eyepieces.

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Posted 23 December 2022 - 09:34 AM

If I tell you, you'll do it. LoL

Okay, put it in your shopping cart and wait for it.

Motions would have to be Obsession like since i like 450x and up. Mirror also would be have to be a big cut above.




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