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#26 rhetfield

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Posted 25 January 2023 - 02:52 PM

I would opt for the Celestron DX102AZ model, which is a 4" refractor telescope.  This telescope is easy to use and for most kids, I would think it looks more like a telescope they are familiar with. 

I wonder what scopes today's kids would be familiar with.  For those of us who are older, it would have been the slow refractor (most often the department store variety) because that is what was around back then.  However these days when one sees a scope it is more likely a reflector, Mak or SCT.  Possibly a short refractor or spotting scope.  Remember that even on TV, the kids are watching different shows than we did and are likely to see a 4" reflector pointed at the ground.


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Posted 25 January 2023 - 04:27 PM

Another vote for Celestron's Starsense Explorer.

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Posted 25 January 2023 - 04:32 PM

Before you spend a dime, find a astronomy club outreach program and go look at telescopes.  Hands on experience before you buy is the best way to figure out what you want to look at and what scope works the best for it.  


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Posted 25 January 2023 - 04:50 PM

 Everything I read seems to list equal pros and cons for both SCT and Newtonian. I expect our usage will be the normal beginner level viewing (so planets, moon, star clusters etc, but not astrophotography) and I'd prioritize quality of imaging, magnification, portability and ease of use (so the kids can also go viewing on their own).  I'd really appreciate any insight into which way to go - SCT or Newtonian?

There's no perfect telescope, only different sets of compromises.

 

Already starting from physical measures.

SCT is compact and at smallish apertures very light, but proper sturdiness mount weights many times more.

I wouldn't really trust any of tripod mounts coming with cheaper telescopes.

My 110mm aperture TAL-1 weights ~20kg, and could still be more sturdier for 169x magnification...

 

And like said besides being dew magnet that exposed corrector is also exposed to physical impacts in any mishaps.

Newtonian again doesn't have such exposed optics and would be harder to "total".

Though refractor would be the lowest maintenance design with no collimation need.

But per quality they cost significantly more.

 

 

Similarly that StarSense adds significant cost for really very little:

Moon is easy to find and planets looking anything more than dots little bigger than stars are easy to distinguish naked eye.

Number 2 showpiece object after the moon, Pleiades is also naked eye target. (that needs wide view, in which SCTs can struggle)

Like is actually Orion Nebula.

In case of deep sky objects also any electronics devices are risk of wrecking eye's dark adaptation and making objects just worser looking.



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Posted 25 January 2023 - 05:20 PM

 

     I dont understand why people always suggest dobs even though the children most likely cant carry them. 

 

 

Agreed.  I am fairly new at this.  I bought a Dob (larger one, Apertura AD8), and it never gets used.  I'm a big tough, tattooed, Harley-riding, Ford-pickup-driving, **** ... actually, I'm a short skinny lawyer in NY who has those things to try to look tough... Anyway, I got tired of lugging the Dob.  Bought a small Dob (StarBlast 4.5 tabletop), and I like it.  But I finally broke down and ordered a Celestron Starsense DX 102AZ the other day.  It's supposed to arrive tomorrow, and if the skies ever clear again I'll be able to report on how it works for a luddite like me.  

 

Also, think what you will, but I get tired of trying to read the moon map upside down and sideways...


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Posted 25 January 2023 - 06:14 PM

Agreed.  I am fairly new at this.  I bought a Dob (larger one, Apertura AD8), and it never gets used.  I'm a big tough, tattooed, Harley-riding, Ford-pickup-driving, **** ... actually, I'm a short skinny lawyer in NY who has those things to try to look tough... Anyway, I got tired of lugging the Dob.  Bought a small Dob (StarBlast 4.5 tabletop), and I like it.  But I finally broke down and ordered a Celestron Starsense DX 102AZ the other day.  It's supposed to arrive tomorrow, and if the skies ever clear again I'll be able to report on how it works for a luddite like me.  

 

Also, think what you will, but I get tired of trying to read the moon map upside down and sideways...

orrastrodrawing.com Here you go. A lot of drawings use a 110mm refractor.


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Posted 25 January 2023 - 07:33 PM

There's no perfect telescope, only different sets of compromises.

 

Already starting from physical measures.

SCT is compact and at smallish apertures very light, but proper sturdiness mount weights many times more.

I wouldn't really trust any of tripod mounts coming with cheaper telescopes.

My 110mm aperture TAL-1 weights ~20kg, and could still be more sturdier for 169x magnification...

 

And like said besides being dew magnet that exposed corrector is also exposed to physical impacts in any mishaps.

Newtonian again doesn't have such exposed optics and would be harder to "total".

Though refractor would be the lowest maintenance design with no collimation need.

But per quality they cost significantly more.

 

 

Similarly that StarSense adds significant cost for really very little:

Moon is easy to find and planets looking anything more than dots little bigger than stars are easy to distinguish naked eye.

Number 2 showpiece object after the moon, Pleiades is also naked eye target. (that needs wide view, in which SCTs can struggle)

Like is actually Orion Nebula.

In case of deep sky objects also any electronics devices are risk of wrecking eye's dark adaptation and making objects just worser looking.

Why would you say that Star-Sense adds very little for its cost.  Maybe you're not familiar with it because if you are, I'm really surpised by your comment.  I would submit that the Celestron telescopes that come with the cell phone holder and the Star Sense app are doing more for this hobby than anything else right now.  The newbies in this hobby often don't have the time or desire to learn the constellations and the night sky objects.  When I was a kid, I obviously could find the moon and planets but I didn't get into looking at DSO's because I had no idea how to find them.....in 1960, the library was quite a distance away and there was no internet.  So, I just looked at those few items.  Heck. I met a guy on Cloudy Nights who has spent thousands of dollars on telescopes and gear, including dozens of premium eyepieces and he only looks at the moon and the planets.  He told me he just doesn't want to "learn the sky".

 

Before Star-Sense, I thought I would just look at the moon and planets; like I did as a kid.  However, now, if I was going out tonight and you told me I could either look at the moon and planets OR look at deep space objects, I would opt for the DSO's......thanks to Star-Sense.

 

A lot of people don't realize another benefit of Star-Sense.  I have tall oak trees all around my home.  With Star-Sense, I only observe items that are in open areas of the sky....not blocked by trees or my neighbors' homes.  Again, you point your telescope to an OPEN area of the sky and Star-Sense indicates what's there.

 

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Posted 25 January 2023 - 07:52 PM

Thanks for posting that Mondo. Fully agree.

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Posted 25 January 2023 - 08:13 PM

Hi, I'm about to buy my first telescope for myself and my kids (9 and 11). It's been quite a learning curve getting my head around all the terminology and options, but I've narrowed it down to two models from the Celestron Starsense Explorer range - the DX5 SCT vs. the DX130AZ.

 

However, I'm going round in circles on the opticals: whether to go for the DX5/Schmidt-Cassegrain or the DX130AZ/Newtonian Reflector. Everything I read seems to list equal pros and cons for both SCT and Newtonian. I expect our usage will be the normal beginner level viewing (so planets, moon, star clusters etc, but not astrophotography) and I'd prioritize quality of imaging, magnification, portability and ease of use (so the kids can also go viewing on their own).  I'd really appreciate any insight into which way to go - SCT or Newtonian?

These should both be very good general purpose telescopes. You stated the the scope is meant to be for you and your 2 kids (9 and 11 years old). Either one could be a good choice for all.

 

A big advantage of the DX5 that I have not seen brought up here is the ability to use it for terrestrial viewing. I used all my telescopes this way when I was young and I was never bothered by the inverted view from the star diagonal. (The reflector would give an upside down view and I find that a bit harder to ignore.)

 

HOWEVER, I lived in a wide open high desert landscape with distant mountains on the horizon. I had a lot to look at. I now live in a cul de sac, and there is nothing to look at during the day, so the fact that my 150mm reflector isn't really useful for terrestrial views doesn't bother me a bit. 

 

The tube of the DX 5 is very compact and a bit more intuitive to "point" at objects you want to view. As many here point out though, the field of view is a lot narrower than what the reflector provides and there are certain objects that simply won't "fit" in the eyepiece of the DX 5. 

 

To really get the full range what either of these telescopes can provide will eventually require purchasing some additional eyepieces. It looks like the 130mm reflector comes with a 25mm eyepiece that will give a nice wide 2 degree field of view at low power with a very bright view. The Pleiades, the Andromeda Galaxy, the Orion Nebula, and other large bright DSOs should look great in that eyepiece. The 10mm eyepiece will give 65x which will also be good for many objects and great on the moon. However, planets will look very small and won't show much detail. A separately purchased 2x barlow lens (and perhaps a low priced 8-24mm or 7-21mm zoom eyepiece) will allow the 130mm reflector to really reach the higher magnifications that are needed for good views of the planets.

 

Similarly, the DX 5 comes with what may be the exact same 25mm and 10mm eyepieces, but these will perform quite differently in the DX 5. The 25mm will give views not too different from what the 10mm eyepiece shows in the reflector, in terms of magnification, brightness, and field of view. The 10mm eyepiece in the DX 5 will give 125x. This is enough for good and detailed views of the planets. Your missing capability won't be high powered views, as with the reflector, but bright, wide field, low powered views. A separately purchased 32mm eyepiece or 40mm eyepiece will be needed to achieve this, though the field will never be as large and the view never quite as bright as what the reflector provides.

 

(Also note that a 8-24mm or 7-21mm zoom eyepiece is still a great idea for planet views with the DX 5. It will be more fun and more comfortable to look through than the 10mm eyepiece that comes with the scope and it will give even better planetary and lunar views when conditions allow. No barlow lens will be needed with the DX5.)

 

As you can see, these additional eyepiece purchases will make the two scopes more "equal" in their capabilities. 

 

Still, there are still some differences that aren't so easy to account for. The DX5 will collect dew on the corrector plate quickly and easily unless you live in a very dry climate. There are ways to deal with that, but they add time and effort. The 130mm newtonian is ultimately "simpler" in many ways.

 

As for fear of damage, I understand what people are saying about the vulnerability of the corrector plate, but I tend to be equally concerned about things falling down into an open tube newtonian. Ultimately I view telescopes as somewhat fragile instruments (though I did ok with a Mak at age 11 and an SCT at age 13, and I was not the most careful youth).

 

Anyway, I don't know if you are any closer to a decision. I'm not. These should both be good telescopes. It is a hard decision!

 

Good luck and happy stargazing!



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Posted 25 January 2023 - 09:07 PM

I own a DX5 as well as an AZ102 ... although I am missing a 130mm reflector, so I don't hit the trifecta -- I have on loan a starblast, so will consider that kind of the same.

 

For a child... hmm.... guess it depends on what targets you think they'll go for.

 

DX5 is great with the moon + planets compared to a faster scope. It's also ergonomically better. But...  there can be a wait time especially in colder weather. I really should make my scope a winter coat. It also isn't quite as easy to find targets compared to faster scopes, but it's not too bad.

 

130mm, some wait time as well, wider views, but not sure if it's as stable on the DX mount (thought I read some reviews where it may be a bit too wobbly for that mount). Worth checking on, anyway, from owners. Another factor with that scope that looks kind of annoying is the phone holder is on the opposite side of the eyepiece. To me, that'd be annoying -- not sure how others would feel.

 

And the DX102... might be best for kids since it's really just grab and go, no real wait time, hard to break, no collimation. Some CA with planets + moon, but not super terrible (especially for new people). Not as ergonomic as the DX5 however -- better with wide targets, worse with the moon/planets.

 

If it was me, I'd choose between the DX5 and DX102 ... but that's just my preference.

 

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And I just noticed some odd pricing on the Starsenses --

 

130mm seems cheaper at Amazon or Adorama. 102mm looks cheapest direct from Celestron.

 

DX5 definitely is cheaper from Celestron -- Popular Science flavor is $600 from Celestron direct.

 

While Amazon has the DX5 (non popular science) at a whopping and insane $900+. Interestingly Amazon has the DX6 for less than the DX5, at $780ish. But not sure if the DX mount can handle that size scope.


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Posted 25 January 2023 - 10:38 PM

I own a DX5 as well as an AZ102 ... although I am missing a 130mm reflector, so I don't hit the trifecta -- I have on loan a starblast, so will consider that kind of the same.

 

For a child... hmm.... guess it depends on what targets you think they'll go for.

 

DX5 is great with the moon + planets compared to a faster scope. It's also ergonomically better. But...  there can be a wait time especially in colder weather. I really should make my scope a winter coat. It also isn't quite as easy to find targets compared to faster scopes, but it's not too bad.

 

130mm, some wait time as well, wider views, but not sure if it's as stable on the DX mount (thought I read some reviews where it may be a bit too wobbly for that mount). Worth checking on, anyway, from owners. Another factor with that scope that looks kind of annoying is the phone holder is on the opposite side of the eyepiece. To me, that'd be annoying -- not sure how others would feel.

 

And the DX102... might be best for kids since it's really just grab and go, no real wait time, hard to break, no collimation. Some CA with planets + moon, but not super terrible (especially for new people). Not as ergonomic as the DX5 however -- better with wide targets, worse with the moon/planets.

 

If it was me, I'd choose between the DX5 and DX102 ... but that's just my preference.

 

Edit: 

 

And I just noticed some odd pricing on the Starsenses --

 

130mm seems cheaper at Amazon or Adorama. 102mm looks cheapest direct from Celestron.

 

DX5 definitely is cheaper from Celestron -- Popular Science flavor is $600 from Celestron direct.

 

While Amazon has the DX5 (non popular science) at a whopping and insane $900+. Interestingly Amazon has the DX6 for less than the DX5, at $780ish. But not sure if the DX mount can handle that size scope.

Notice that on Amazon, the DX5 is shipped from the UK.



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Posted 25 January 2023 - 10:59 PM

Notice that on Amazon, the DX5 is shipped from the UK.

Yep. Same with the DX6. They used to carry the popular science DX5 as well, but I can't find it there anymore. It's just weird how the DX6 is less than the DX5 (through amazon).

 

Just mentioned it in case the OP (or anyone) in the U.S. wanted the DX5 ... buy from Celestron, not Amazon (UK).


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Posted 26 January 2023 - 01:31 AM

I'm still a beginner myself, so I'll throw in here. I have a Celestron Omni XLT 150 and a Nexstar 6SE. I personally feel that the views from the newt are brighter and crisper. My wife won't even come out to look through the SCT. She says everything is dim and dark.

 

From a someone who had no experience with telescopes a year ago, the newt was far easier to collimate than the SCT for me. I have no experience with starsense, but the Nexstar system is a pain to align, and I can't find anything with the manual EQ mount that came with the XLT. I'm so disappointed with the SCT that I'm selling it in the spring.

I haven't noticed any extra dimness using a C5 vs ... well, my next size scope would be a  102mm refractor, I suppose.

 

That is, if magnifications are around the same. Using the same eyepiece and the faster scope will appear brighter, but that's just because magnification is lower.

 

Are you sure you were using equal mags with both scopes? Omni 150 is f/5? While C6 is F/10. If you use the same eyepiece in each, the Omni will be naturally brighter. Just guessing that may have been the issue? Otherwise... not sure... besides dew or something... I wouldn't think the difference in mirror obstruction would make that big a difference.



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Posted 26 January 2023 - 02:46 AM

Thank you SO much for all of the detailed replies. What a fantastic forum this is - I look forward to learning and sharing more here. After reading all the advice, I think the Newtonian is the way to go (cheaper too, which is a win!). waytogo.gif


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Posted 26 January 2023 - 06:51 AM

I haven't noticed any extra dimness using a C5 vs ... well, my next size scope would be a  102mm refractor, I suppose.

 

That is, if magnifications are around the same. Using the same eyepiece and the faster scope will appear brighter, but that's just because magnification is lower.

 

Are you sure you were using equal mags with both scopes? Omni 150 is f/5? While C6 is F/10. If you use the same eyepiece in each, the Omni will be naturally brighter. Just guessing that may have been the issue? Otherwise... not sure... besides dew or something... I wouldn't think the difference in mirror obstruction would make that big a difference.

Yeah. It’s the exit pupil size most likely. S 25 in the C5 is 2.5mm exit pupil. And of course a very narrow field of view. While in a 5 inch f5 newtonian it is a relatively wide field of view and a 5mm exit pupil.


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Posted 26 January 2023 - 08:47 AM

The kids are 9 and 11. There no way they can carry a dob back and forth at 20 lbs a piece. The kids might go outside all the time if they like it. OP might not wanna carry it all the time.

     

     I dont understand why people always suggest dobs even though the children most likely cant carry them. 

 

This scope is supposed to be a family scope. There will likely be some level of adult involvement. 

 

It's an option to consider. When I was your age Dobs didn't exist. But we lived out in the country and I was lucky enough to spend Saturday and Sunday working on the 9 acres.(Lucky Me.) I was digging ditches, digging post holes, pushing wheelbarrows filled with dirt and rock. I think I could have handled an 8 inch Dob without too much trouble.

 

Some years ago we were camping in New Mexico and an 11 year old boy and his mom saw my 10 inch Dob. He had been saving up to buy a Dob so we spent some time together looking at stuff and then I just let him go to use it by himself. Children often have an innate curiosity that adults lack. 

 

This young boy just took off exploring, looking to see what he could find. Dobs are great for that. Of course the skies were quite dark and the elevation was 6700 feet 

 

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Posted 26 January 2023 - 10:41 AM

Why would you say that Star-Sense adds very little for its cost.  Maybe you're not familiar with it because if you are, I'm really surpised by your comment.  I would submit that the Celestron telescopes that come with the cell phone holder and the Star Sense app are doing more for this hobby than anything else right now.

Number of actually good looking in small telescope objects is rather limited.

And naturally those are more or less bright.

So for casual observer not interested in small dim fuzzies is there really much value?

Screens of electronic gadgets are even very significant risk for preventing/destroying dark adaptation of the eyes.

 

Anyway there would be free AstroHopper for doing roughly the same thing.

https://astronomytec...23/astrohopper/


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Posted 26 January 2023 - 11:28 AM

Number of actually good looking in small telescope objects is rather limited.

And naturally those are more or less bright.

So for casual observer not interested in small dim fuzzies is there really much value?

Screens of electronic gadgets are even very significant risk for preventing/destroying dark adaptation of the eyes.

 

Anyway there would be free AstroHopper for doing roughly the same thing.

https://astronomytec...23/astrohopper/

I'd say it's worth it in the 102/130mm scope or larger. If nothing else, it helps figure out what that star cluster may be, or what that bright star is, and so on.

 

And it simply makes finding targets easier. For each night it tells you what are the key targets available for your size scope... what harder targets might be visible, and provides info on each target as well. It's fun.

 

In the 80mm model it may be a bit more limited, but still, it's not like it's 

a super expensive add-on. 

 

As for astrohopper or other free apps, I tried one of those before starsense.

It works, at first, but then loses track of targets as the night goes along ... the gyros in phones (or at least my phone), wasn't accurate enough for a full viewing session.


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Posted 26 January 2023 - 11:33 AM

Anyway there would be free AstroHopper for doing roughly the same thing.

https://astronomytec...23/astrohopper/

Astrohopper uses different technology.  It works similar to the similar function available in SkEye.  Uses the phone's sensors to figure out orientation.  This includes - unfortunately - the compass.

 

My experience trying to use SkEye was that the metal in the OTA messed with the compass.  While the phone wasn't bad handheld, it was useless if near the OTA.  Others have also noted that even if the phone did work that it was not accurate enough to get objects in the EP - especially if the FOV was narrow.

 

Star Sense uses plate solving (comparing the star patterns it sees with the ones in it's library.  Apparently works quite well and is accurate.  However it is reported that it struggles in heavy light pollution and doesn't work on all phones (Androids especially vary on how the camera is accessed - none are good and some are downright primative and limited).  Camera quality on phones is especially variable (some are useless in the dark).

 

One of the advantages of the dobs is that they can be easily equipped with degree circles and aligned to the real time coordinates provided by the astronomy apps.


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Posted 26 January 2023 - 11:48 AM

Hmm.  Now that I am taking delivery of a StarSense scope... this makes me wonder, should I expect to have problems with my Samsung Galaxy SM-A136U?  Dang.  



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Posted 26 January 2023 - 11:56 AM

Astrohopper and sky eye are not accurate on my phone (moto e6).

I would be willing to try the starsense app. 

 

I am trying to pickup a used one

on craigslist/fb market place so I can try the app without sinking a ton

of cash into it.  If it doesn't work in my bright skies, or my phone is not compatible.

People are not letting go of their used astro gear at low prices around here.

They want 80% of retail, and that might be able to be obtained with a sale price

and I have no warranty.  

 

I have tried the app on one phone (not mine) on one target at my club's star party site that was around  Bortle 8 (red),  It worked.  My skies are brighter, and I would like to try

on a range of targets.  


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Posted 26 January 2023 - 12:08 PM

I'm with Mondo here.

In my experience one of the most common reasons beginners drop out, indeed probably the single most common, is that they struggle to find objects.

So in my opinion Starsense Explorer (SSE) is a game changer.

The app is really easy to use. Indeed, my 7 year old grandson found no problem whatsoever on the scope I bought for him and his sister.

I was so impressed with Starsense Explorer myself that I bought the least expensive refractor, and adapted the mount so that it fits into a standard Synta finder shoe. A search on Cloudy Nights will find lots of ways to do this.

I'd add that I'm perfectly able to starhop. Indeed, when I first started observing almost 60 years ago I had no option. When I restarted I still remembered all the constellations, plus the positions of many of the brighter DSOs.

However, my time is limited now and so Starsense Explorer let's me see many more objects in a night.

With a recent huge update to the database it seems SSE now contains all the objects in SkySafari Plus, and so will keep anyone busy for a lifetime.

Luckily, Celestron sell both Newtonians and SCTs in the Starsense Explorer range, so the OP can have the benefit of SSE with either type of scope, and indeed refractors as well.

In fact, I'm so impressed with Starsense Explorer that for most beginners I feel it's well worth paying for it if budget allows. This is especially so if, like the OP, there is family involved.

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Posted 26 January 2023 - 12:10 PM

Hmm.  Now that I am taking delivery of a StarSense scope... this makes me wonder, should I expect to have problems with my Samsung Galaxy SM-A136U?  Dang.  

Best to look on the Celestron site to see if they list known compatibility issues.  Also create a new post here in either the equipment forum or computerized Celestron scope forum (I am not sure which would be best).  


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Posted 26 January 2023 - 12:49 PM

I'm with Mondo here.

In my experience one of the most common reasons beginners drop out, indeed probably the single most common, is that they struggle to find objects.

So in my opinion Starsense Explorer (SSE) is a game changer.

The app is really easy to use. Indeed, my 7 year old grandson found no problem whatsoever on the scope I bought for him and his sister.

I was so impressed with Starsense Explorer myself that I bought the least expensive refractor, and adapted the mount so that it fits into a standard Synta finder shoe. A search on Cloudy Nights will find lots of ways to do this.

I'd add that I'm perfectly able to starhop. Indeed, when I first started observing almost 60 years ago I had no option. When I restarted I still remembered all the constellations, plus the positions of many of the brighter DSOs.

However, my time is limited now and so Starsense Explorer let's me see many more objects in a night.

With a recent huge update to the database it seems SSE now contains all the objects in SkySafari Plus, and so will keep anyone busy for a lifetime.

Luckily, Celestron sell both Newtonians and SCTs in the Starsense Explorer range, so the OP can have the benefit of SSE with either type of scope, and indeed refractors as well.

In fact, I'm so impressed with Starsense Explorer that for most beginners I feel it's well worth paying for it if budget allows. This is especially so if, like the OP, there is family involved.

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Posted 26 January 2023 - 02:23 PM

Astrohopper and sky eye are not accurate on my phone (moto e6).

 

Please note, moto E6 isn't supported phone by SSE, see: https://starsenseexplorer.simcur.com/

 

Both SSE and AstroHopper require relatively good motion sensors. According to this the phone doesn't have gyro.

 

The accuracy of these apps depends on quality of the sensors both SSE and AstroHopper do alignment and than guide you to the target using motion sensors. Of course SSE uses plate-solving and AstroHopper visual alignment.

 

So be careful - don't expect your phone to work with SSE and of course if you have a phone with good sensors it would likely work with AstroHopper quite well (and I assume SSE as well).


Edited by artik, 26 January 2023 - 02:24 PM.

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