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#1 edsmx5

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 05:54 AM

Good morning, newbie here.

 

     I live in Pottstown, Pa. ( SE Pennsylvania, a lot of light pollution). I am new to the hobby, having just acquired an  older Orion xt8, as well as an older Galileo 5" reflector on a GEM mount. My question is, simply: I've seen the Moon, now what do I go to ? I was out this morning, with a limited sky, saw the moon, and some stars, (mere points of light), and that was it ( although, as I was looking at a star, I did see something move - quickly - through the eyepiece view; satelllite?  2/11/2023, approx. 5:30am looking roughly ESE) My question is: where do I turn now ? Thanks 


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 06:07 AM

Read the forums.


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 06:38 AM

Get yourself a good guidebook on the night skies and maybe a guide to the Moon.

 

Turn Left At Orion, by Dan M. Davis and Guy Consolmagno, is a decent guide and one that I use quite a lot when planning my star gazing sessions. The book gives examples of what to see for the various seasons, like double stars and clusters, etc. 

 

Venus and Jupiter are both in the evening skies just now and would make a great target, even with your light pollution. 


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 07:50 AM

Thank you Kim2010 and Alex65,

 

     While I understand the " read the Forums" comment, and appreciate the wealth of information on this site, going through the forums can be a bit daunting for a newbie ( can you say information overload ?), a lot of this is way over my head - no pun intended.  Maybe this says more about my lack of patience than anything else. I will continue to mine the wealth of information here, but any " shortcuts" are greatly appreciated. (next stop, the LIBRARY !smile.gif ) As a side note, any thoughts on my equipment are greatly appreciated ( Galileo 5" on a GEM mount 6mm and 20mm huygens -  Orion XT8 Dobsonian  with Sirius 10mm and Sirius 25mm Plossls). Thanks again


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:12 AM

Start looking deeper into all the details of the Moon of course.wink.gif

 

There's details as far as your telescope (lot for good 8") and available magnifications/seeing give.

Some craters have for example very complex central peaks. Some have rilles on the floor.

Crater walls can be very complex with terraces/collapses.

Many mares have wrinkles in them when light is right.

 

Rima Aridaeus and Rima Hyginus should be getting better visible now.

And vicinity of Mare Imbrium has lots of details starting from mountain ranges formed by crater walls.

 

 

Day between observations makes huge difference to visibility of finer details.

Last night there was visible some likely ancient crater wall south of Theophilus/Cyrillus/Catharina and that's visible only when near terminator.

 

Even couple hours can bring central peak or crater floor visible during waxing moon.

 

 

Virtual Moon Atlas with higher resolution textures (at least LOLA-Kaguya and LRO) is good for checking what might be visible at certain time.

http://ap-i.net/avl/en/download


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:14 AM

Do Jupiter, Mars, and Uranus if you feel up to the challenge.  They are still up late enough to get good looks before 8:30 pm. Venus too if you go out early enough.  

Stars, star clusters, nebulae.  The great Orion Nebula is riding high in the evening sky right now, and is visible to the naked eye as the middle "star" of Orion's sword region.  Oh, and M31 while you are at it.  Its getting lower by the day, but still visible.  

 

The dob is good.  I don't have any experience with anything other than the Apertura AD10 but I know this is a good scope from reading here on CN.  And Plossls really aren't too bad either.  Just depends on the make, I think.  


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:26 AM

As a side note, any thoughts on my equipment are greatly appreciated ( Galileo 5" on a GEM mount 6mm and 20mm huygens -  Orion XT8 Dobsonian  with Sirius 10mm and Sirius 25mm Plossls). Thanks again

Unless your area has always bad seeing (make sure telescope is cooled) could use something for higher magnifications in Orion.

Migth try that 6mm eyepiece of Galileo, but it likely isn't any good starting from no eye relief...

 

So you would propably want eyepiece or two.

At least that higher magnification giving one would be good for the moon.

 

Zoom would be of course way to find what focal lengths work/allow optimizing magnification for the seeing.

Though their focal length isn't short enough for higher magnifications and would need around 1.5x to 2x Barlow.

(some ~2x Barlows have lens group part detachable for filter thread mounting for ~1.5x)


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:29 AM

Do Jupiter, Mars, and Uranus if you feel up to the challenge.  They are still up late enough to get good looks before 8:30 pm. Venus too if you go out early enough.  

Stars, star clusters, nebulae.  The great Orion Nebula is riding high in the evening sky right now, and is visible to the naked eye as the middle "star" of Orion's sword region.  Oh, and M31 while you are at it.  Its getting lower by the day, but still visible.  

 

The dob is good.  I don't have any experience with anything other than the Apertura AD10 but I know this is a good scope from reading here on CN.  And Plossls really aren't too bad either.  Just depends on the make, I think.  

I was looking at Apertura 'scopes, but came across the Orion XT8 ( older one) for just over $300 US, I couldn't pass it up. The GEM mount is a bit "fiddly" to use, I much prefer the Dob.


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:34 AM

Nowadays that's a very good deal!  I can see why you prefer the dob.  I've used the 16" at a local observatory before, and even though its GoTo, having to wait for it to slowly slew to the right spot is boring and getting things entered in and lined up is, well, tedious!



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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:52 AM

The following avenues suggest themselves.

 

1) At the mechanical end, figure out how to get the best from your telescope. Read up on collimation, telescope cooling, fields of view and magnification you can get with different eyepieces etc.

2) Learn the night sky. You can start with a Star atlas or an app and play connect the dots to get the stars in your sky to match the shapes on the page.

3) Try to observe a few different classes of objects - planets (although you may be better off waiting - we’re at the end of this cycle for good views of the outer planets), double stars, open clusters, globular clusters, galaxies, nebulae. I would start with easy to find examples of these to begin with. Some suggestions would be Alberio, Mizar, Epsilon Lyrae (aka the double double) for double/multiple stars, M35, 36, 37, 38, 45 (aka the Pleiades), the double cluster for open clusters, M13 for globular, M31 aka the Andromeda galaxy etc. Finding these can be challenging but will give you experience in finding shapes in the sky, star hopping, learning to see and recognize things when you find them etc. 

 

Paths can branch off from any of these points and you can follow your own inquisitive nose from there on. 
 

Cheers, DJ


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:57 AM

I'm as new to Forums as I am to Astronomy, thank you all for the information.waytogo.gif



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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:59 AM

There are planets to look at.  They are past their best for now, but still not too badly positioned.  They will be around again in a few months.

 

The comet (C/2022 E3) is fading but still there.

 

You have to look at M42 (Orion Nebula) and M31 (Andromeda Galaxy) - it's a requirement!  M31 is getting a bit low in the sky now, but M42 is well-placed and easy to find.

 

Then start on the Messier objects (110 objects).  When you run out of those, there is the Caldwell catalogue (also 110 objects).  By then, you will be ready to start on the NGC catalogue, which has thousands of objects.


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 09:00 AM

One-Minute Astronomer

Guide to the Night Sky and Basic Astronomy

On this page, you find basic guides and articles to help you learn the night sky and the major stars and constellations. You discover the amazing range of objects you can see in the night sky, from the Moon and planets to distant galaxies.

https://oneminuteast...ight-sky-guide/

 

Tonight's Sky

"Tonight's Sky's mission is to provide an online tool for amateur astronomers to plan their observing sessions. The site will generate a list of visible objects based on your criteria with links to help you plan your observing session and research your targets. A list of objects will be produced based on your inputs that are visible at your location when you plan to observe. Any object below the local horizon will be excluded. On the next page you will see details about each object. You can research any object of interest with the links provided. You can also select the objects you plan to observe and a page will be provided for you to download or print and take with you when you go out."

https://tonightssky.com/MainPage.php

 

In-The-Sky.org

Guides to the night sky

https://in-the-sky.org/

 

TELESCOPIUS
Astronomy Planning Made Easy

https://telescopius.com/

 

 

Cheers! Bob F.


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 09:07 AM

I would suggest another book: NightWatch: A Practical Guide to Viewing the Universe. It's a great astronomy book by the recently passed Terence Dickinson.

 

Also, check out https://stellarium-web.org. It will show you what's up there (at any given time) and where to look for it. 


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 09:26 AM

a little bit of a short cut, try downloading the free celestron sky portal app

and use the 'best tonight' portion of the search.

set the display order by visible tonight and rank by magnitude.

 

it should give you a pretty good idea of what's visible within your sightlines

when you use it's compass feature

 

there's a 'locate' feature that guides you where to point the phone.

 

that'll give you a rough idea of where to point the scope.

 

jupiter and mars were very easy to find last night since they were so bright.

M31 will probably require much darker skies than you'll see just outside of philly


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 09:45 AM

Besides reading here and any books you might get, I'd also suggest downloading the SkySafari app to your phone. It's loaded with info and you can scan the sky map to see what other objects might be within grasp of your scope's reach. Being in Pottstown, your skies are probably about Bortle 5 which is better than a lot of us in this part of the east. So there should be quite a lot of objects you can spot throughout the seasons.  


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 10:24 AM

Moved this to Beginners.

 

Welcome to astronomy! The moon is exactly what got me into this hobby and down the rabbit hole of astrophotography. A few years ago I was sitting out on my patio one fine summer evening enjoying an ice-cold beer. I had my camera with me and was taking pictures of various birds/critters around the backyard. So happened as I was tracking a bird, I saw the moon go through the viewfinder. I thought to myself, "I wonder if I can get a picture of that". I spent a while trying to frame up a bird flying with the moon in the shot. No luck with that, but I did have some luck just taking pictures of the moon.

 

There are so many wonders up there, including the moon itself. That 8" scope will let you see some great details on the moon! You've also got Jupiter, where you'll see some banding and the Great Red Spot if you time your viewing right. Mars is up high in the sky. There's the Pleiades cluster. Orion is excellent.

 

I'm actually on the other side of the river... Philly is to my northwest :).


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 10:39 AM

Moved this to Beginners.

 

I'm actually on the other side of the river... Philly is to my northwest smile.gif.

Downa shore ?cool.gif



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Posted 11 February 2023 - 10:40 AM

Here's my recommendation (especially since the next 7-10 days will be mostly moonless):

 

Use whichever of your two telescopes you are most comfortable with - and the one that is easiest for you to find objects. 

 

Use the 25mm plossl eyepiece with whatever scope you are using. It will provide the lowest magnification and widest field of any of those eyepieces. 

 

Find M42. If you can see Orion's belt with your eyes, you can find M42 fairly close by (down just a bit from the belt). It is, at first glance, a hazy patch in the telescope. Within this hazy patch is a curved line of three bright stars and the four stars of the trapezium - very close together, forming a tiny trapezoid. You may have to look at them for a while to tell that they are four individual stars. Turn off every light you can control and look at the hazy patch for a while. It will start to get more detailed as you look at it. On the edges of your field of view will be many more stars. Try to take time to take it all in. It feels kind of like how I imagine looking out the window of a spaceship.

 

While you are in the area, go up to Orion's belt and slowly move your scope along the belt, looking at each of the three bright stars. In your 25mm plossl, you will find that this area of three bright stars actually contains dozens of stars. The stars on the left and right sides of the belt are doubles, with fainter companion stars right next to them. Again, the whole area gives a spaceship window effect.

 

Moving away from the eyepiece, look up at the sky, just with your eyes, and follow the line of the belt stars up and to the right. Following this line, you should spot the bright orange star, Aldebaran. Adding a little confusion to this, Mars will be a little higher up that Aldebaran, and look like an even brighter orange star. If you spot Mars first - look down a bit - you'll see Aldebaran. See if you can get it in your telescope (again, stick with the 25mm plossl). 

 

Once you get Aldebaran in the scope, slowly pan to the right, and you'll see part of the Hyades, a bright open cluster - kinda cool, but not a great target in a telescope, and not your final destination. 

 

Using just your eyes, look where your telescope is pointed. If it is around 7, 8, 9pm at night you will see the Pleaides a little ways straight to the right (not up or down) of where you are pointed. If you are using the dob (alt az) you may be able to just pan to the right from Aldebaran to find it.  It won't quite fit in the 25mm plossl in the dob, but it will still look pretty great, and once you find it, you can't miss it - you will have about 30 stars, some of them very bright, in the eyepiece. (If the 5 inch reflector is f8 or faster, you can probably get all of the Pleiades in view with the 25mm plossl). Just counting the stars in the eyepiece will help you to notice the variety, and as you keep looking, you'll notice more stars.

 

This is the loosely guided tour that I took on the first two nights with my current telescope, making it up as I went along. It may take time to find these objects, even though they are brighter and easier than most DSOs. Keep at it. I didnt just point up at the sky and find them either. I used a 25mm Sirius plossl on this tour. With the exception of M42, everything you'll see is, when it comes down to it, just stars - tiny points of light. I think you may find them pretty amazing nonetheless.

 

Good luck and clear skies.


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 10:48 AM

I'm as new to Forums as I am to Astronomy, thank you all for the information.waytogo.gif

 Look at the Skiesunlimited website at the bottom, lots of astronomical societies and observing groups.  They're right in your backyard. Real nice people there at Skiesunlimited. Learning the sky  with a good observing book  like Stars and Planets  by  Ridpath & Tirion  or Skywatching by Levy has all the constellation charts in it for every month and detailed constellation charts for whats in  each constellation.  Its not hard  and you have time too learn it  , take your time learn one constellation over a few nights observing then move on to the next.


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 10:49 AM

Welcome to the hobby and welcome to Cloudy Nights.

We have a very similar topic right now near yours in the list.

https://www.cloudyni...71-very-newbie/

 

You have a couple of nice telescopes. Orion is centerstage right now at night. We also had a discussion there about getting out in the early morning.

As difficult as city skies are, open clusters and globular clusters do display well. Read about them in a book or online and you will be amazed at what you are viewing.

 

(Visit your city library and used bookstores.  People too easily buy from Amazon. You need to see the book, read it, determine first hand if it speaks to you. And, yes, join a local club.)

 

Best Regards,

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 10:51 AM

Ed, welcome to CN, and to the hobby welcome.gif   -- sounds like you're off to a good start!

 

As EsaT said, the moon can keep you busy for quite a while.  It's a wealth of viewing opportunities along the terminator and at the limbs.  You can actually see significant changes in the view during a single evening of observing!

 

Orion is a wealth of targets and really is a thing of beauty.  "Planet season" is almost done for this cycle, but things will improve again in the fall.  "Galaxy season" is coming up soon, so lots of opportunities there.  Don't miss the Pleaides (aka the "Jewel Box").  It's great with a wide-field eyepiece.

 

As far as eyepieces go, a good start would be an inexpensive (or a better) zoom eyepiece.  The Celestron 8-24 or one of the SVBONY 7-21 or 8-24 eyepieces works great.  If your budget allows, the Baader Hyperion Zoom (BHZ) is a very nice zoom eyepiece.  As said above, a 2x barlow lens is a handy addition, too.

 

Have fun with the new hobby!

 

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 11:02 AM

Good morning, newbie here.

 

     I live in Pottstown, Pa. ( SE Pennsylvania, a lot of light pollution). I am new to the hobby, having just acquired an  older Orion xt8, as well as an older Galileo 5" reflector on a GEM mount. My question is, simply: I've seen the Moon, now what do I go to ? I was out this morning, with a limited sky, saw the moon, and some stars, (mere points of light), and that was it ( although, as I was looking at a star, I did see something move - quickly - through the eyepiece view; satelllite?  2/11/2023, approx. 5:30am looking roughly ESE) My question is: where do I turn now ? Thanks 

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You definitely came to the right place for help. There is so much to learn in this hobby and your efforts will be greatly rewarded.

If I may, I would like to suggest that you begin by getting really good at pointing your telescopes.

I know that sounds simple, but mastering the skill of being able to aim your telescope is sometimes taken for granted.

 

You have probably already noticed that when you move the telescope the view doesn't seem to match the direction you're going.

Take some time to get used to that because what you see will not exactly match with how the sky is shown on charts and apps.

 

It can be frustrating at first when it seems like you're lost in space but stick with it waytogo.gif


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 11:07 AM

May I suggest two books? Turn Left at Orion for the targets and the Sky and Telescope Pocket Star Atlas to find them. This is exactly how I started and it worked for me.

 

You will need a good finder scope. Forgive me if some of this has been covered. I haven't read the entire thread yet.

 

By the way, I drive by Pottstown all the time. My daughter is in Phoenixville.


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 11:28 AM

Downa shore ?cool.gif

Not that far across the river LOL. Some decent dark skies between me and the shore, though. My skies are, at best, about a Bortle 6. I linked to the wikipedia on the Bortle scale in case you're unfamiliar with it :).


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