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Saturn made it to 40! 5-26-23

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#1 dcaponeii

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Posted 26 May 2023 - 09:17 AM

Of course I had to wait until just 20 minutes before sunrise to get it there!!  Seeing started out with little transparency, to the point where although the camera could see Saturn, I could NOT see it with the unaided eye.  As with the past week or so, early morning has been arriving with these low clouds that form about 2 hours before sunrise.  It has the look of fog, except the base is probably at 2000 feet.  Yesterday and this morning as sunrise approaches they start to move off, yesterday clearing from the east, but today clearing from the north,which took longer to clear at Saturn's location.  I'm got lots to process still and those earlier images seems to have more stable seeing, even with the poor transparency.  As dawn approached seeing degraded and focusing became a bit of a challenge.  I have tried to continue to do a better job with processing in preparation for later in the year when I hope to really see what 16" aperture can do.  Still not sure my processing skills are up to the challenge (SOMEBODY needs to write a book on using Paint Shop Pro because: 1) I'm not buying Photoshop. 2) I'm not buying Photoshop and 3) I'm not buying Photoshop.

 

First up is a single image from that last capture with Saturn at 40 degrees (JUST!!).  Fact is I pushed capturing even after the dreaded blue histogram peak at the low end reared it's ugly head.  Tried to do the color pallet justice.  This image was captured for a full 240s (no problem with field rotation as Andrew indicated in another post).  5% of 19,400 frames captures at GAIN = 325, 12ms exposure.  81 fps.

 

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I've got an earlier set of 7 or 8 captures that I've not processed, figuring that this higher altitude set of three was more promising.  The colors had distinctly shifted in these three which is a main reason I processed them separately.   This is a three-image de-rotation.  I "discovered" while looking at Itaku's suggestions about placing the wireframe in WinJuPOS that if I bumped up the contrast in addition to bumping the gamma (which I've been doing for over a year now) that I could see the details much more clearly against the wireframe.  I think the quality of the image measurement is improve as a result of my usual ham-handed approach.  In any case, here is is for your viewing pleasure.

 

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One last image for now, is this 30% stack triplet de-rotated as above. Which I can't decide is better or worse but seems less noisy to my eye and "cleaner"?  The details are clearly "softer" but perhaps that's better.

 

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As always, comments welcome and usually quite helpful and appreciated.

 

 


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Posted 26 May 2023 - 10:23 AM

Spectacular!
What do you Will do when Saturn be higher!
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Posted 26 May 2023 - 10:26 AM

Those last 2 are very impressive at that elevation. Your processing has come on leaps and bounds.


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Posted 26 May 2023 - 10:27 AM

Spectacular!
What do you Will do when Saturn be higher!

Take more images and hopefully continue to get better.



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Posted 26 May 2023 - 10:33 AM

Those last 2 are very impressive at that elevation. Your processing has come on leaps and bounds.

There's that old saying something like "luck is when preparation meets opportunity".  Not sure that's quite the quote but close enough.  The three years I spent trying to get ANYTHING good from my 12" f/8 ACF definitely gave me lots of practice on the basics, especially the importance of collimation (which for me now the imaging session doesn't really start until I've confirmed, and tweaked if needed, the collimation of the scope using either Metaguide or a star image and when the seeing is crappy, both.

 

Now I'm trying to implement all those subtle processing things that folks have recommended over the years that I never had data good enough to try.  The fact that I've been using Paint Shop for nearly two decades has been a challenge because the Photoshop stuff is in there somewhere I just have to hunt for whatever technical suggestion I get from the Photoshop crowd and implement it.  With lousy data it never seemed worth the bother.  Now it apparently will be worth the bother and August will get here fast.
 


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Posted 26 May 2023 - 12:21 PM

As mentioned in panel 1, I also did a larger set of images earlier in the morning.  Saturn started in this sequence at 32 degrees and it was invisible to the unaided eye due to haze.

 

The best is the set of 6 de-rotated images, each was a 30% stack of 19,500 frames captured with GAIN = 350, 12ms exposure.  That makes the total stack nearly 31,000 frames.

 

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Posted 26 May 2023 - 04:11 PM

Nice work Don, I think my favourite is the second image in the first post, a nice mix of colour balance and sharpness. I still reckon you are being a bit overcautious with your capture times, but each to their own smile.gif.

 

Since you hate Paintshop Pro so much, have you considered Photoshop Elements? It has a one-off cost of about $100 (no subscription), has 90% of the features that the full version has, and the 2023 version seems to come with an AI enhancement too (which I'm sure will tip the balance for you lol.gif)! I'm still using my ancient version of PSE from 2007, still works fine smile.gif.

 

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Posted 26 May 2023 - 04:48 PM

Nice work Don, I think my favourite is the second image in the first post, a nice mix of colour balance and sharpness. I still reckon you are being a bit overcautious with your capture times, but each to their own smile.gif.

Since you hate Paintshop Pro so much, have you considered Photoshop Elements? It has a one-off cost of about $100 (no subscription), has 90% of the features that the full version has, and the 2023 version seems to come with an AI enhancement too (which I'm sure will tip the balance for you lol.gif)! I'm still using my ancient version of PSE from 2007, still works fine smile.gif.

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Maybe so on the times. I love Paint Shop Pro and definitely do not want to start learning anything PhotoShop. The only down side is I’m a definite minority and so I have to figure out how to follow PhotoShop tutorials in Paint Shop is all. I’d prefer a nice recipe to follow instead. Yes I know, every image is unique!! That’s why we all want batch processing?? Hehe
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Posted 26 May 2023 - 05:11 PM

Wow! Very nice capture!


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Posted 26 May 2023 - 08:16 PM

Absolutely beautiful, Don!


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Posted 26 May 2023 - 11:05 PM

Here is my new imaging rig in action this morning.

 

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Posted 26 May 2023 - 11:46 PM

Very nice! You're losing your C ring on your first derotated image which is nicely resolved in your single capture, but it turned out better in your second derotated image, though still not as good as the single stack. You could do with a touch more colour saturation or vibrance, which is not uncommon with the colour bleed of these one shot colour cameras, the 678 being a little worse than the 585.


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Posted 26 May 2023 - 11:54 PM

Very nice! You're losing your C ring on your first derotated image which is nicely resolved in your single capture, but it turned out better in your second derotated image, though still not as good as the single stack. You could do with a touch more colour saturation or vibrance, which is not uncommon with the colour bleed of these one shot colour cameras, the 678 being a little worse than the 585.


It seems to me that every time I move the image to another device I lose the saturation bump I put in. Put 15% in AstraImage and then another 15% in Paint Shop too. I used the lighten/darken with a free-hand edge finding tool to lighten the C-ring in 2 of the images and not the 3rd if I recall. I’m stuck at the vet hospital with my son while his cat is tended to. Hopefully I’ll get home in time to image Saturn again in a couple hours.
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Posted 27 May 2023 - 03:06 AM

Fantastic images Don. Very nice working setup.

I use about 15% bump in Vibrance and then another 20 to 30 bump in Saturation.

Cheers Paul


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