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#1 cjarvis64

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Posted 27 May 2023 - 08:37 PM

Hey everyone,

 

My family and I are planning on visiting the south rim star party in 2024 (June 1-8). I'd like to bring imaging equipment, set up and check out some the visual setups others bring.  I went to it years ago as a kid, and it's really what got me into the hobby. Saw Saturn through an SCT (Or dob? Can't remember) and I was hooked. Can't wait to visit again after all these years.

 

How does this star party work? On the website it is says it's free and that lodging is recommended, so I guess no one camps out.  Do I just show up with equipment and setup? Anyone familiar with the SP with input would be a big help. 

 

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Posted 27 May 2023 - 11:02 PM

The South Rim Star Party is sponsored by the Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association. Here is a specific link on their web site about the event .

There's an email address and phone number listed for specific questions you may have. E-mail: gcsp@tucsonastronomy.org   Phone: (520)247-3815

 

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Posted 28 May 2023 - 12:27 PM

Wishing you the best and DO TELL about your experience, cjarvis64 !

 

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Posted 29 May 2023 - 02:33 PM

How does this star party work? On the website it is says it's free and that lodging is recommended, so I guess no one camps out. Do I just show up with equipment and setup? Anyone familiar with the SP with input would be a big help.

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I am going to this years, at the north rim. In regarding the set up and lodging questions, you set up in a parking lot behind the visitor center for the south rim. You can’t stay in the parking lot overnight (camp), you have to camp at a designated camp site or lodges around the park. It’s free in the sense there are no additional fees and free to the public with park admission fees. The camp site (Mather) opens for reservations 6 months in advance and fills up fairly quickly as June is prime Grand Canyon season. It’s primary for public outreach so it’s it’s geared for people with no experience to view for the first time. From my understanding, the north rim, especially the Kaibab forest party are a lot smaller (due to limited camp sites) and more intimate where it’s a more like a traditional star party, after the first 1-2 hours of outreach.
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Posted 30 May 2023 - 08:27 AM

I am going to this years, at the north rim. In regarding the set up and lodging questions, you set up in a parking lot behind the visitor center for the south rim. You can’t stay in the parking lot overnight (camp), you have to camp at a designated camp site or lodges around the park. It’s free in the sense there are no additional fees and free to the public with park admission fees. The camp site (Mather) opens for reservations 6 months in advance and fills up fairly quickly as June is prime Grand Canyon season. It’s primary for public outreach so it’s it’s geared for people with no experience to view for the first time. From my understanding, the north rim, especially the Kaibab forest party are a lot smaller (due to limited camp sites) and more intimate where it’s a more like a traditional star party, after the first 1-2 hours of outreach.

I think my plan is to try and book a spot at Mather once registration opens in december, worst case scenario my parent's are coming along and they're getting a few rooms at the Grand Hotel so I can crash there.  Camping just sounds more fun to me.  Have fun at the North Rim this year!



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Posted 27 June 2023 - 09:51 PM

Astronomy at the Grand Canyon was the subject of the June 9th episode of the Looking Up with Dean Rejas podcast.

 

https://podcasts.app...i=1000616283235


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Posted 28 June 2023 - 12:04 PM

Hey everyone,

 

My family and I are planning on visiting the south rim star party in 2024 (June 1-8). I'd like to bring imaging equipment, set up and check out some the visual setups others bring.  I went to it years ago as a kid, and it's really what got me into the hobby. Saw Saturn through an SCT (Or dob? Can't remember) and I was hooked. Can't wait to visit again after all these years.

 

How does this star party work? On the website it is says it's free and that lodging is recommended, so I guess no one camps out.  Do I just show up with equipment and setup? Anyone familiar with the SP with input would be a big help. 

 

Clear Skies

This year, 2023, was my 17th year with GCSP.

 

Unlike most other large star parties Grand Canyon is an outreach event. All telescopes on the lot are open to the public until 11pm. From 11pm to about midnight there is a window of time to allow people to break down their gear. Usually after 11:45/midnight most of those who want to leave have left and most of the public is gone except for those who are really interested, usually just a handful of people. 

 

After the public leaves you are welcome to do pretty much anything you like. Observe, image, etc... If you are planning to do imaging as several of my friends do I would recommend doing some live stacking during the public hours of the event. My imaging friends do this with their set ups, showing the public live images coming off of their rigs. People are usually very interested in this. Once the public leaves they will switch over to longer exposure and traditional imaging until late into the night. 

 

The big thing I try to have new attendees understand is this is a public event for education. You will have to deal with cars from 11pm to midnight, there will be white lights occasionally from some members of the public and its not the best site if you just want to observe/image for yourself, at least during the public hours. If you are ok with this then welcome! If you are looking for a more traditional star party that is really just for astronomers and you do not want to be bothered but the public or other factors then GCSP maybe isn't for you. 

 

It is a fantastic event, my personal favorite. Highly recommend it for anyone interested in outreach. 

 

You can camp by the way. If you come all week you can get a free camp site. But there are also several lodges within the park you can stay if you want a more traditional hotel room. The weather can be a little weird. Some years have been very cold, others hot, some very nice. You never really know what you will get as it is a bit of a microclimate around the edge of the canyon. 


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Posted 16 July 2023 - 08:42 AM

Hey everyone,

 

My family and I are planning on visiting the south rim star party in 2024 (June 1-8). I'd like to bring imaging equipment, set up and check out some the visual setups others bring.  I went to it years ago as a kid, and it's really what got me into the hobby. Saw Saturn through an SCT (Or dob? Can't remember) and I was hooked. Can't wait to visit again after all these years.

 

How does this star party work? On the website it is says it's free and that lodging is recommended, so I guess no one camps out.  Do I just show up with equipment and setup? Anyone familiar with the SP with input would be a big help. 

 

Clear Skies

Just FYI, an alternative to camping is staying in a motel in Tusayan, just outside the park.  It's about a 10-15 minute drive to the observing site.
 



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Posted 08 August 2023 - 03:39 PM

This year, 2023, was my 17th year with GCSP.

 

It is a fantastic event, my personal favorite. Highly recommend it for anyone interested in outreach. 

 

You can camp by the way. If you come all week you can get a free camp site. But there are also several lodges within the park you can stay if you want a more traditional hotel room. The weather can be a little weird. Some years have been very cold, others hot, some very nice. You never really know what you will get as it is a bit of a microclimate around the edge of the canyon. 

Well said, Kevin Legore.  Personally, 2023 was my 20th "consecutive" GCSP, with GCSP #30 and #31 (2020 and 2021) by virtual telescope presentations during a COVID interruption, in which Kevin above from Focus Astronomy (skyward_eyes) participated along with Bernie Stinger, Jim Knoll, and myself from Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association, Lowell Observatory played along, and a distinguished cast of speakers, broadcast on the scheduled nights.  From 2010 through 2022, I was the South Rim Coordinator and still love every minute.

 

It really is sort of industrial outreach, during which we have up to about 65 volunteer astronomers set up on any night, with up to 1875 (or more!) park visitors dropping in.  Sort of a state fair for outreach.  We have sections for video/imaging situated to limit intrusion on the "eyeball at the eyepiece" setups and isolate the imaging equipment from public interference, just the display accessible by the visitors.  

 

In-park lodging is available but pricey.  There are the Mather Campground for dry camping and Trailer Village for full hookups.  And volunteers for six or more nights may request free dry camping in Mather.  Plenty of alternatives in Tusayan as well.  In the park itself, lodging of any type goes fast, by February for full week reservations if desired. Registration for participating is through the above TAAA web site beginning at a date that they will announce later.


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Posted 13 August 2023 - 08:41 AM

Well said, Kevin Legore.  Personally, 2023 was my 20th "consecutive" GCSP, with GCSP #30 and #31 (2020 and 2021) by virtual telescope presentations during a COVID interruption, in which Kevin above from Focus Astronomy (skyward_eyes) participated along with Bernie Stinger, Jim Knoll, and myself from Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association, Lowell Observatory played along, and a distinguished cast of speakers, broadcast on the scheduled nights.  From 2010 through 2022, I was the South Rim Coordinator and still love every minute.

 

It really is sort of industrial outreach, during which we have up to about 65 volunteer astronomers set up on any night, with up to 1875 (or more!) park visitors dropping in.  Sort of a state fair for outreach.  We have sections for video/imaging situated to limit intrusion on the "eyeball at the eyepiece" setups and isolate the imaging equipment from public interference, just the display accessible by the visitors.  

 

In-park lodging is available but pricey.  There are the Mather Campground for dry camping and Trailer Village for full hookups.  And volunteers for six or more nights may request free dry camping in Mather.  Plenty of alternatives in Tusayan as well.  In the park itself, lodging of any type goes fast, by February for full week reservations if desired. Registration for participating is through the above TAAA web site beginning at a date that they will announce later.

Thank you for the info.  We're looking into getting a travel trailer eventually but I'm not sure if we'll have it by then.  Regardless we'll bring a tent to camp at Mather. Going to reserve a spot as soon as registration opens. I am going to familiarize myself with live stacking so anyone straying over to the video/imaging area will at least have something neat to look at.  Looking forward to walking around and looking through some big scopes.



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Posted 13 August 2023 - 08:07 PM

Thank you for the info.  We're looking into getting a travel trailer eventually but I'm not sure if we'll have it by then.  Regardless we'll bring a tent to camp at Mather. Going to reserve a spot as soon as registration opens. I am going to familiarize myself with live stacking so anyone straying over to the video/imaging area will at least have something neat to look at.  Looking forward to walking around and looking through some big scopes.

Hi Clark,

 

It's always good to get reservations very early.  To be clear, the primary video set-up is at the entrance to the site; all the visitors come past us first.  And last!  The surge begins around 7:40 PM, but we'll be in twilight until almost 9 PM, with curious customers needing to be entertained.  Visible planets help.  Venus was great for that this year, with a clearly phasing in process, allowing a whole lot of education to happen as well as pretty stuff.  You won't have to hope for someone to drop by; it will get kind of busy at the start.  As far as the big scopes go, there will be a number of large dobsonian mounted truss tubes and a number of C-11 to C-14 instruments.  In our video area we get a C-11 or two, my 10" SCT, and lots of 9" OTAs.  The 24" and bigger dobs are at the opposite end of the site.  Back in 2019 we had a 42" truss dob that was a universe of its own!  In any event, the video area is the initial stop on the way through about 60 scopes.  Our advantage is that those of us who do actual imaging (not me. live/EAA video is my niche) can fill in when clouds interrupt with their handywork and explain away, while the eyeball at eyepiece volunteers are general Q and A.  Those volunteers can get a bit of a workout, but most of the time we can sit and show our live eye candy or previously captured beauty.  I don't miss climbing the ladder of my 18" truss dob doing visual my first 10 years!  This is 7000 feet, which I'm used to, but my customers are not.  Dry mountain dessert.  Stay hydrated.  Then drink some more.

 

See you next year.


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Posted 14 August 2023 - 08:30 AM

Hi Clark,

 

It's always good to get reservations very early.  To be clear, the primary video set-up is at the entrance to the site; all the visitors come past us first.  And last!  The surge begins around 7:40 PM, but we'll be in twilight until almost 9 PM, with curious customers needing to be entertained.  Visible planets help.  Venus was great for that this year, with a clearly phasing in process, allowing a whole lot of education to happen as well as pretty stuff.  You won't have to hope for someone to drop by; it will get kind of busy at the start.  As far as the big scopes go, there will be a number of large dobsonian mounted truss tubes and a number of C-11 to C-14 instruments.  In our video area we get a C-11 or two, my 10" SCT, and lots of 9" OTAs.  The 24" and bigger dobs are at the opposite end of the site.  Back in 2019 we had a 42" truss dob that was a universe of its own!  In any event, the video area is the initial stop on the way through about 60 scopes.  Our advantage is that those of us who do actual imaging (not me. live/EAA video is my niche) can fill in when clouds interrupt with their handywork and explain away, while the eyeball at eyepiece volunteers are general Q and A.  Those volunteers can get a bit of a workout, but most of the time we can sit and show our live eye candy or previously captured beauty.  I don't miss climbing the ladder of my 18" truss dob doing visual my first 10 years!  This is 7000 feet, which I'm used to, but my customers are not.  Dry mountain dessert.  Stay hydrated.  Then drink some more.

 

See you next year.

Thanks for the information.  I'm looking forward to it!  I'll be the guy set up with either a 6" RC or a William Optics Z61.



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Posted 08 March 2024 - 01:20 PM

From the comments, it looks like this star party bit more straightforward minus the amount of people coming in to enjoy the event.

 

So I have some questions as I have never been to GC or this star party - is it possible to stay at hotel/motel nearby and drive to the location every evening or so? read one comment that mentioned something like that.

 

And do you have to have your own spot registered/held or something like that to do observation?

 

I am really interested in this star party in regards to meeting other fellow amateur astros and plus do my own observation. I am guessing this would be the time.

 

But apart from this star party- does GCNP folks allow amateurs to put up scopes and do observations overnight or one can only do it during this star party event?


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Posted 08 March 2024 - 10:51 PM

What about leaving your gear set up? Is it safe? Or do you have to break down every night?



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Posted 08 March 2024 - 11:50 PM

Does anyone do solar during the day for visitors?



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Posted 09 March 2024 - 05:00 AM

Does anyone do solar during the day for visitors?

when I went (years ago) there were solar setups 

 

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Posted 09 March 2024 - 10:37 AM

Does anyone do solar during the day for visitors?

Yes I've seen solar setups too from some pics.



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Posted 11 March 2024 - 11:50 AM

There are a few people who do solar. 

 

My group does it a few times during the week. We use to do it in front of the Main Visitor Center theater, which is a good spot but hard to load gear into. 

 

We moved to doing it in front of the Yavapai lodge entrance which was another good spot and a lot easier to set our stuff up. 

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Posted 11 March 2024 - 03:58 PM

What about leaving your gear set up? Is it safe? Or do you have to break down every night?

Jim at the Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association told me "You can leave your equipment for multiple days. There is no security but many do leave equipment (me included) and have not had any problems. You usually take any small items and cover the scope itself. Most of the imagers leave for multiple nights."

 

So, sounds like it's up to you but it makes sense to take easily packable expensive items with you each night. 


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Posted 15 May 2024 - 08:55 AM

We're not too far out from the star party, getting excited!  The dates we will be in attendance are the 3rd through the 5th, checking out of Mather campground on the morning of the 6th to head to our next destination. Our spot is over in the Pine Loop -- my wife and I love camping so we're looking forward to this leg of the trip. I have a few more things to purchase such as a telescope cover and a few other odds and ends.  Hopefully proving out a focal reducer in my imaging train tonight if the skies will remain clear long enough.

 

Clear skies and see you guys there!



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Posted 26 May 2024 - 11:38 PM

I will be there from June 1 to 6 with my 28” dob and 7” apo. I’ll do solar a few days with the Lunt 150 as well. Should be a good time.
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Posted 17 June 2024 - 03:20 PM

Hey everyone, just now getting back in town.  I plan on making a more detailed post soon detailing my experience but for now I just  wanted to express what a great time my wife and I had at our first star party.  Despite a few run-ins with an elk cow at 2 am (more on this later), our time under the dark grand canyon skies was really something else.  For now please enjoy this time-lapse video I made of my imaging setup while I was getting some time in on the trifid nebula.


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Posted 17 June 2024 - 04:53 PM

Nice.. can't wait.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 09:48 PM

My wife and I arrived in the park on June 3, and setup our campsite at Mather Campground.  Night 1 of my time at the star party was a bit of a rush being inundated with questions from early-arriving park visitors.  It was a great time talking to everyone but a real test of multi-tasking.  I started by imaging Bode's Galaxy, with some live stacking.  As I arrived a little late that evening, I had to be a little rushed getting polar aligned and setup and was barely able to get any data at all on the galaxy.  I decided to spend most of my time talking to visitors before packing it up for the night shortly after midnight.  We arrived back at our campsite only to realize we completely forgot towels, so we wouldn't be able to shower at the campground.  We opted to stay there that night, but for the rest of the trip drive to the Grand Hotel every night, where the rest of my family had a suite booked.  This proved to not be as bad as I had thought, and it was nice to sleep in an actual bed.
 
My humble imaging rig
A shot of my meager imaging rig waiting to be polar aligned. (GSO RC6, HEQ5 Mount and a QHY183C camera)
 
Night 2 (June 4) was very similar however much more relaxed as my was already more or less polar aligned, only needing some slight adjustment.  I continued imaging M81, showing passerbys live images of the galaxy.  I then hopped over to the Whirlpool galaxy, which was a real hit due to the galaxies brightness, especially under those dark skies.  Once tear-down began on night 2, I decided I would hop over to the Trifid nebula, as this target is always behind trees for me in my front yard at home, and a chance to image it under the dark grand canyon skies would be great.  I was going to slip in my L'eNhance filter to image this target, simply due to the amount of stars around it in hopes that it would reduce those stars some and bring out the Ha regions, however taking the advice of a nearby imager I decided to leave the filter out and image this target in its natural form simply due to the clarity and darkness of the skies.
 
Night 2 really proved to be interesting, especially toward the end of the night.  Around 11 pm at teardown time, and the end of park visitor hours, I kept hearing talk of an elk lingering around the parking lots likely in search of food/water etc.  I didn't pay it much thought as I figured it would be long gone by the time I was packing my stuff out after imaging in the wee hours.  My wife had called it a night earlier that evening and caught a ride back to our hotel with the rest of my family, leaving me our vehicle so I could take it back when I was finished.  She had told me where she parked, but in the hysteria of answering astronomy questions from park visitors this information went in one ear, and promptly out of the other.  As I lay there next to my mount gathering starlight, around 1 am or so, it hit me that I had no clue where she had parked. I thought it might be prudent to lay eyes on the vehicle then instead of when I'm loaded down with my portable power unit, blankets, backpack, etc. 
 
Anyone who has been in the park that late/early can attest to just how dark it really is, even with the lights from bathroom buildings and the odd dark-site sensitive pathway lamp.  It is quite dark.  Armed with nothing but an iPhone flashlight, I began my search for our Hyundai Tucson.   As I walked around the visitor center lots, I kept hearing the sound of hooves galloping on pavement.  It didn't bother me at first but after 15 minutes of searching with no purchase, the sounds of the local wildlife in the pitch black became more and more disconcerting. 
 
Finally, after about 25 to 30 minutes of searching (I was still getting used to the layout of the visitor center, okay?) I found our vehicle. As they say, it was in the last place I looked -- coincidentally in the lot closest to the commercial bus lot where I was imaging. tongue2.gif  (My wife is a sweetheart for leaving it so close). If I knew that lot was even there I would have checked there first; this clearly was my first rodeo.  Sighing in relief, I headed back to the rig to see how it's doing. I let it run for a hour or so longer before closing down software, packing up valuables and heading for the long-lost Tucson.  I am dog tired at this point as we had spent all day hiking in the canyon, and am running on about 3 hours of sleep. Loaded down with blankets, my backpack, and Jackery power unit, I decide to use the flashlight on the front of the power unit to light my way (once I'm clear of any remaining astronomers of course).  As I near the closest building to the commercial bus lot where the star party is held, I round the corner to start down the side-walk path along the building I had used a dozen times earlier that night, and the very same that the park visitors are led down to enter the star party after the presentations.  As soon as I round the corner my light illuminates the very heart of my fears earlier that night, the beast that had been haunting the parking lots all evening. THE ELK!!!
 
A gentle creature no doubt, unless provoked or when their young is around, but I had anticipated this creature all evening fearing a rendezvous in the pitch black -- and there she was, within arms reach.
 
Yelping some unintelligible expletives and almost dropping everything in my hands, I turned and ran.  I think I gave her a comparable scare as most of the brief view I had was of her rearing back to run the opposite direction with a snort. lol.gif  With shot nerves, and the delirium of a long day setting in all too quick I made it into the car and drove back to the hotel in disbelief at what had befallen me.
 
Night 3 (June 5) was much more tame.  At the 7 pm meeting one of the park rangers reminded everyone of the elk cow hanging around the visitor center building, drinking the condensation from the nearby AC unit. (I must have missed that memo.) By example of another imager next to me, I decided to bring an iPad along with several of my previous images on display in a slideshow which really proved to be a hit among park visitors.  I also found with some more practice I was really getting the hang of talking to people and explaining what was happening with my telescope to them.  It really is an art, relaying that type of information effectively.  I grabbed more data on Bode's galaxy, the whirlpool galaxy and later that night the trifid nebula.  I have yet to process the images of the galaxies, but I was able to get my image of the trifid nebula processed.
 
Trifid Nebula Full Spectrum
Around 2.5 hours on the Trifid Nebula, no filters.
 
Full Spectrum X Narrowband

The same 2.5 hours unfiltered, and an hour with the LeNhance filter mixed in.

 

The three days I visited the grand canyon I maybe got about 10 hours sleep in total, and averaged about 26,000 steps per day according to the fitbit.  Needless to say I was ready for some rest.  But in all it was a great experience and had a great time imaging with some very nice individuals, not to mention getting to show people what's up in the sky -- the look on their faces alone makes me remember why I began this hobby.  Next time I will likely skip daytime canyon activities (apart from enjoying the view comfortably atop the rim after sleeping in some), and will bring some elk repellant, if such a thing exists lol.gif.

 

Thanks for reading. Clear skies!

 

 
 

 


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Posted 23 June 2024 - 07:09 PM

wonderful experience there Clark...feel bad for Elk and you as well lol.gif - but this kind of things happen with us astro folks regardless.

 

you're experience gives a really good idea. I've never been there and was wondering if staying at hotel and coming back works or not. you just proved that it does.

 

maybe I missed in your post but did you stay completely overnight or you were back by midnight or little later?


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