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#1 Jeroe

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Posted 29 May 2023 - 01:40 PM

I'm currently looking into guiding for my setup and already have a big visual Telescope, the Danubia Orion 200 ( https://www.amazon.d...p/dp/B0017GXG0M ) at home and thought about just using that as a guider for my setup. Can I mount a guide camera to this and does it make sense using this? I don't want to spend to much money on my setup and thought this would be ideal.

 

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Posted 29 May 2023 - 02:11 PM

Yes. You might need to remove the black piece that the eyepiece screwed into.

 

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Posted 29 May 2023 - 02:25 PM

You need an adapter for attaching camera. Also that is a spring loaded guide scope - not good for autoguiding.
I recommend a mini guide scope (like what zwo offers).
It costs only about $50 or so.
Do you already have a guide camera?

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Posted 29 May 2023 - 03:00 PM

What Tapio said. 

 

Can you use it?  In theory, yes.  Should you?  Probably not.  This is a hobby where microns matter, and microns are really really really small.  Any sort of wiggle - on the scale of microns - between the guide scope and imaging scope will make for a lot of frustration.  Those spring loaded adjustments are a prime source for flex, and they're totally useless for guiding since the fine pointing of the guide scope is measured by the calibration procedure, not aligned like a finder scope.  They also mount in the finder shoe, which are notorious for being slightly flexible.  Microns, remember?

 

What sort of imaging scope are you thinking to use it with?  If it's short enough (numb enough), you might get away with it as a learning platform, but far better to get a "real" guide scope from the beginning so you don't learn bad habits.


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Posted 29 May 2023 - 09:46 PM

Visual finders often cannot be used with guide cameras, even if you found an adapter, as there is not enough inward space available to bring it into focus.  But nothing prevents one from trying.  Like others said, that spring loaded ring will probably not work satisfactorily.  



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Posted 30 May 2023 - 12:13 AM

I see, then I'll probably go with the svbony guidescope. Do you guys have experience with the svbony planetary camera as a guide scope? It's much cheaper than a zwo kit

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Posted 30 May 2023 - 01:16 AM

I see, then I'll probably go with the svbony guidescope. Do you guys have experience with the svbony planetary camera as a guide scope? It's much cheaper than a zwo kit

Some of the planetary cameras have limited exposure times (like max 0.5 s). It would be good to use 2-3 s for guiding.



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Posted 30 May 2023 - 04:17 AM

I see, then I'll probably go with the svbony guidescope. Do you guys have experience with the svbony planetary camera as a guide scope? It's much cheaper than a zwo kit

The SV165 guide scope works great, and has a great price.  And you can buy it on Amazon.

 

For a guidecam I recommend the ZWO ASI120MM-Mini if you can afford it.



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Posted 30 May 2023 - 04:25 AM

The SV165 guide scope works great, and has a great price.  And you can buy it on Amazon.

 

For a guidecam I recommend the ZWO ASI120MM-Mini if you can afford it.

Sounds good, I'll probably go with that option. thank you very much for the help.

 

This Hobby really is terrible for my pocket haha there's so many things you need to buy for just one thing.

 

Mounting is going to be the next Issue. I have the Zenithstar 61 version 1 without the mounting Brackets like the second version. I have seriously no clue on how to mount it properly in a way that is solid.



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Posted 30 May 2023 - 04:53 AM

Yes, it's an expensive endeavor.  I always advise people not to buy things on credit but to save for them.  Much more gratifying, teaches patience, and doesn't put you in debt!  Taking my own advice, that's why I haven't upgraded any of my equipment in 2 years...


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Posted 30 May 2023 - 06:36 AM

https://www.amazon.c...c0-4513d670b6bc

I have 2 of these little ones. They have a solid build and are pretty decent.

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Posted 30 May 2023 - 12:29 PM

This can be and expensive hobby, but resist the temptation to throw money at a problem until it's really needed.  More often than not, especially when doing something new, the root of an issue isn't the equipment but how it's being used.  Upgrading the equipment may appear to solve the problem, but only because it's overkill for the task. 

 

That said, the more capable equipment will set you up for upgrades on related parts down the road.  Invest, when you do, in good stuff.  Just don't assume you need to spend money just because it's an expensive hobby.  The most important investment is in the stuff between your ears, and in the time practicing what you have learned.

 

I see, then I'll probably go with the svbony guidescope. Do you guys have experience with the svbony planetary camera as a guide scope? It's much cheaper than a zwo kit

In theory, the planetary camera will work, but in practice you will get better results from a monochrome guide camera.  The one significant purchase that I have made that really hasn't worked out for me was getting a Skyris 236C camera, because Celestron's website told me that it could do anything, and for some reason I believed them.  It did a very poor job at imaging (deep sky imaging is very different than planetary imaging, and they left out that little detail), and guiding with the camera kept losing the guide star.  I ended up getting a used DSLR for imaging, and a real guide camera for guiding, and things got dramatically better.  That camera is sitting in a box in the closet...
 




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