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#26 apfever

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Posted 28 June 2023 - 09:54 AM

I have read through this from the beginning. The issue is that the telescope is beyond practical proper repair for posterity, regardless of location.  The concept of JB weld and a metal strap completely eliminates a good nostalgic purpose. I hate to be the one to look ugly stating the facts but hope for some support here since this needs to be expressed. What still exist of the scope can be salvaged to some extent but going to full function is not going to be worth the time and cost by almost all outside opinions so people will feel uncomfortable getting involved with their time. 

 

Unfortunately the above links to similar (or same) scopes show ridiculous prices that are misleading to any true value.  The very first link offered in this thread is this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144382772693

which is a price no one here would ever pay. A good number of the other ads on that page are at prices no one here would pay. Ebay is NOT a good reference. 

 

There is no glass, destroyed focuser that doesn't work for the draw tube and has the stalk completely broken off and gone, broken plastic cell, missing hardware, dilapidated paper tube (maybe phenolic which would be better), and possibly rusted parts beyond use. The tube looks like it could have mold.  What I would do if someone brought it to me and gave it to me for FREE is offer parts for free if anything was useable and eventually throw the rest away.  It has no value to posterity as a whole because there are many nice ones around. It hurts to toss out telescope parts which is why I have so much scope crap around here, but I've done it and sometimes it's the only way to go.  

 

Just about anything can be rebuilt, casting new parts from scratch, finding used part, non original parts, ugly repairs that work, and so on. If one of these is important to the Philippines, then I suggest it would be easier and cheaper and better to buy a nice one and have it shipped over. 

 

Yes it distinctly looks like a Harmonic Reed compared to the other toy scopes similar to it. I have never had a Reed, I determined this with a simple search and comparison including Gilbert (I have one) and Innova which was mentioned in one of the above links. 

Starting from the bottom up:  De rust and clean up the tripod, mount, and hardware. See if the legs have enough metal left for integrity, then paint and protect parts with an inhibitor if appropriate. It might have a decent nostalgic mount as best I can tell from the pictures.  I am not getting into what paints, best way to remove rust, inhibitors, etc.  Any car experience should cover that. 

The tube is paper that might have protective plastic (phenolic) impregnated into it. You don't want to wash it in a tub of water. I've saved moldy old boxes by spraying with a bleach solution and minimal careful wiping. Clean the tube as careful as you can, try to stick down any loose pealing cover wrap somehow, let it dry, and paint it - several coats. You can try using something to make a pebbly texture in the bare areas. It might be easier to glue on a new cover wrap if you can find something similar. Paint the inside flat black. It looks like you might be able have a decent tube from the pictures.

Using your own picture, the red arrow points to what looks like a pinion gear that is shifted off to one side. Up to you to take the focuser apart. Someone here might have actually did that and know how, or do some search or just have to figure out how to get it apart and see what's going on in there. If any teeth are messed up then combined with the broken off secondary - it's garbage. You can try rebuilding broken focusing stuff and attaching another secondary, it's your time and money. Someone here might have a trashed scope they can send you a decent original focuser. 

JB weld may or may not stick to the plastic, Try it to see. It might fix the broken mirror cell which is also missing a collimation knob. The cell might be ABS plastic which you could test in a small hidden area to see if ABS glue melts the plastic. ABS glue MELTS the plastic so you need to be careful with repairs but if it is ABS you can reform the broken part of the cell and even add more abs shavings into the mix or add a reinforcement piece to it. 

 

Finally, you need to find a primary and secondary with stalk. And a collimation knob that will work. See if the eyepiece is salvageable. 

I think the tripod, mount, and tube might fix up and look good. The rest can be fixed or replaced with a small shipping box to keep shipping as cheap as you can hope for. You haven't mentioned the size yet. It might be 3" primary or 2.5" primary? I've had this roughly 2.5" size assembly floating around here for years. IF it is the right size, AND you get the rest working, THEN I'd give this to you for FREE (cost of shipping).  

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Posted 28 June 2023 - 10:10 AM

EDIT:  So a couple other entries came in while I was typing the dissertation. Shoot me if you want but I still stand by my standing on the work/scope ratio, and ready to hear otherwise.  If someone has a full focuser assembly, maybe a link or pictures of some paperwork....I guess an original box could be collapsed and feasible to ship...

 

Here's the mirror and cell I have. It's not great but will work, and work well for the caliber of scope this is. Free for cost of shipping if it fits and you have a scope ready to use it. You will have to pm me for it since I might not remember this thread in the future. 

I suggest you try locating a replacement focuser that is complete since they come with the secondary assembly and eyepiece all in one. 

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Posted 28 June 2023 - 10:45 AM

APFEVER -  Your points are all well taken.  You are just stating facts, which i appreciate. You have some very good practical suggestions as well. Yes, i definitely will not pay the ebay prices (not to mention shipping over here). I am really just wanting to use it for fun, and i like old stuff as well...

 

Its not that this scope is important to the Philippines, but that it is to me. Truth is, astronomy enthusiast or not, nobody would give it a second look over here. Probably just a handful of us who would appreciate what most everyone here would call junk...Its why i used a Ford Model A and Model T as an example in my earlier post.

 

Very kind of you to offer the primary mirror assembly, but its a 3 inch mirror that it needs. Also i dont think your cell will fit my tube's 4 inch outer diameter (thanks for the pics as well). I sent you a pm stating the same, for good measure

 


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Posted 28 June 2023 - 04:21 PM

I looked and they do ship to the Philippines. The reason I ask is you say there is very little available there. Zen market has an abundance of telescopes and telescope related items for sometimes very good prices and it seems to me that shipping there may be quite a bit cheaper than shipping to here. Just a thought. Here is a link to used telescopes and such there, maybe check it out and see if it helps you..

 https://zenmarket.jp...p=1&condition=2


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Posted 28 June 2023 - 06:37 PM

DOUGLASPAUL -  Well thank you ! Yes, shipping is likely cheaper going over here. I will check it out.



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Posted 29 June 2023 - 02:06 AM

eBay is a great way to find the value of any item but the key is to “watch” the item and see what it actually sold for.  Asking prices for telescopes are often totally unrealistic and should be largely ignored. 

 

Unfortunately the above links to similar (or same) scopes show ridiculous prices that are misleading to any true value.  The very first link offered in this thread is this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144382772693
which is a price no one here would ever pay. A good number of the other ads on that page are at prices no one here would pay. Ebay is NOT a good reference.


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Posted 29 June 2023 - 06:54 PM

Your right ! Which is why i only use ebay when absolutely necessary. I normally check specialty sites first, like CN Classifieds. Thanks for mentioning it anyway.



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Posted 02 July 2023 - 10:20 AM

HARMONIC REED telescope owners -  Well, i have yet to go put in a replacement primary and secondary mirror.  But in the meantime, will try to improve outer aesthetics.

 

So far, i've seen only 2 colors for the tube, one in black ( with like a starchart on it), and one in white. Mine is obviously the white one. But then my tube seems just to weathered for it to reveal its original color.

 

So i would like to please ask the owners with the white ones :  are yours in fact just plain white (like "telescope white"), or are they perhaps a shade of white, like "dirty"  white, or flat white, or semigloss white  or glossy white ? Sorry if i sound picky about the color... In as much as i might never find the original missing pieces, would at least like to give it an authentic color. For good measure, here again are pics i took of the tube. Thanks again !

 

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Posted 18 January 2025 - 07:50 PM

First, I'd like to apologize for taking so long to ever get back to this. Late 2023 is a time I would rather forget. 

That said, the larger Harmonic Reed telescopes were white. Just white. Personally I would go that way, using the toughest paint you can get.

Also, some time back, I made a comment about Harmonic Reed and Stevens. Now, a year and a half later, I should clarify.

Harmonic Reed eventually became just Reed. At some point, early 1970's near as I can tell, Stevens Manufacturing took over the whole lot of the astronomy line from Reed. A number of things were dropped, obviously, and the telescopes were redesigned.

Which is to say they got cheaper.

Most of the large metal pieces were replaced with polystyrene plastic, the wrong sort of plastic to use on items that are undergoing lots of stress (the aforementioned is my opinion, not the opinion of this station).

The smaller 2 1/2" Starmaster was marketed as a 250 power telescope with a blue cardboard tube towards the end. The 3" Starmaster continued in production until at least 1990. The tripod was replaced with something like a pedestal mount, which was sadly laughable. 

Yet, through it all, the mirrors remained good. The eyepieces, the fittings, their tripods/pedestals were horrid,but those primary mirrors remained decent for what they were, and that is the heart of the telescope.

In late 1996 I picked up two of the now red tube Steven 3" telescopes. I completely rebuilt one, swapping out the eyepiece and focuser for something that could take better eyepieces (0.965", but it's what I had on hand, for I was, and still am, poor) and using a much better tripod (homemade). With this telescope I began doing my first bit of "vagabonding", setting up in parking lots and letting people get looks at Comet Hale-Bopp in 1997.

That telescope was given away, and the parts to the the damaged one stayed with me until I lost them, and the rest of my workable Harmonic Reed telescopes during an awful move. All that remains is a damaged cardboard tube 3" with a damaged mirror.

Anyway, to answer your question, white. 


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