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#26 GTXJackBauer

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Posted 07 July 2023 - 11:01 PM

Ok then. Then it's a cheap triplet.

Has to be. To fit everything in that price they are gonna sell this for. 

My cheapest 30mm guider (triplet) costs $300 and I don't get CA with that, so it has to be even a cheaper one, I guess. 

 

Any company of all sizes can set certain prices.  $300 from said company you purchased from might be a very small and costly to produce or they look at the 'standard prices' set across the board even if it costs way more than what its really worth. 

 

ZWO is one of the bigger companies who most likely can afford bulky orders of good glass or at least I hope.

How much do we think the Seestar really costs?  If I had to guess, under $100, maybe under $150. 

I believe the Pro series iPhones are in the $300-$500 area and look at all the tech it has built in.  Seestar has 64 GB of storage.  PC/Laptop storage of some of the fastest storages around at 1TB (M.2 PCIe 4.0) go for $50 atm.  2TB?  $100 lol 
I think you guys get the idea.

I also feel the niche astro industry has been taken advantage by some of these big companies for a while now.  All you have to do is look at the tech out the last 10 or so years versus their product lines with telephone connectors and their old screen.  It's a joke really.  Some might argue its the labor on getting the glass right, isn't that being done via low labor overseas?

There was a lawsuit on what some believed was a family owned monopoly of some of the biggest names in the business a few years back.

Either way, I hope and feel this will be a slam dunk by ZWO once they get things dialed in and think this is a introduction to the next best robot they build at a higher range.  I don't think this is to attract them to start building custom rigs with $5000 ZWO cameras but to entice them to purchase the next best thing (robot).  Think of it as smart phones and the 'need' to have it.  Easy money if they do this right.


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#27 eyeoftexas

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Posted 08 July 2023 - 08:01 AM

Found a video here about the ZWO Seestar S50.

Interesting idea about where to camp. 


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Posted 13 July 2023 - 07:13 PM

Wish we had a little bit better idea about ship dates



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Posted 14 July 2023 - 09:20 PM

Just did the pre-order and it is know a waiting game…almost as bad as the cloudy skies when getting new equipment… 

 

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Posted 19 July 2023 - 03:44 AM

MY COMMENTARY: Good to see that dithering has already been added. Also good that the individual sub-exposures will be downloadable. And a replaceable battery is also a positive.

 

Some updated answers on ZWO's Q&A page:

Q: Will there be a Dithering option?
A: Yes, there is now.

 

Q: Will we be able to access the unstacked sub exposures in FITS format?
A: Yes, downloadable via computer connections.

 

Q: Is the built-in battery replaceable?
A: Yes.

 

Q: How many objects are in the goto database? What are the criteria for inclusion in the object database?
A: Currently, there are 276 objects being included in the goto datebase (recommendations), selected by FOV and brightness among many other factors. SkyAtlas is available in Seestar app with thousands of objects to select.

 

Q: When you write about a future pro mode, is that hardware or software (app)?
A: our intention is to deliver a “Pro” experience, encompassing both hardware and software enhancements.
On the hardware front, we are actively exploring possibilities for upgrades, including the potential for a larger aperture and FOV for instance.
In terms of software, our focus lies on enriching the user experience with advanced features.
For example, mosaic and panorama mode that is desired by many users.
We believe that the astrophotography journey is a collaborative one, and together, we can achieve remarkable things! So, please don’t hesitate to share your thoughts, ideas, and suggestions with us. Your feedback is instrumental in shaping the future of Seestar, and we are eager to hear from astrophotography enthusiasts like yourself. Thanks!


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#31 eyeoftexas

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Posted 19 July 2023 - 04:29 AM

That is all exciting news about their plans, especially if there will be a way to increase aperture at some point.

I am unfamiliar with ZWO products so what is “Sky Atlas”?

I hope the user can enter their own coordinates for targets too, like Dwarf 2.

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Posted 19 July 2023 - 07:55 AM

 

Q: When you write about a future pro mode, is that hardware or software (app)?
A: our intention is to deliver a “Pro” experience, encompassing both hardware and software enhancements.
 

Hopefully ZWO will share with us their thoughts on how much the "Pro" experience will cost. Many here I suspect would be interested in potential enhancements, even if we are not the target audience for the base version.



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Posted 19 July 2023 - 08:42 AM

by increasing aperture they mean a whole new rig I'd imagine?
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Posted 19 July 2023 - 02:37 PM

by increasing aperture they mean a whole new rig I'd imagine?

They could be thinking of selling an add-on lens that screws on the front of the existing SeeStar.    Like perhaps a 1.5x or 2x teleconverter lens that results in both increased aperture and focal-length.



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Posted 19 July 2023 - 03:07 PM

They could be thinking of selling an add-on lens that screws on the front of the existing SeeStar. Like perhaps a 1.5x or 2x teleconverter lens that results in both increased aperture and focal-length.


that's what I thought would be easiest... but increase/decrease focal is 'easy' just wasn't sure you can increase aperture without having an actually bigger 'hole' lol

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Posted 19 July 2023 - 03:27 PM

Are we looking at the same images?  There is plenty of CA (blue stars) on those images. The narrowband filters of course is better, because the duo narrowband limits the blue and around the blue spectrum mostly. 

 

I wish ZWO would make these posts on their developer blog or similar, instead of going to facebook, which already compresses the images more than needs to. 

 

Here, I downloaded what they posted. 

 

Without duo narrowband (plenty of chromatic aberrations, as it would with a doublet)

 

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With duo narrowband filter. 

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The narrowband will reduce or eliminate the CA as it should. 

 

Regardless, this is really not bad at all for that tiny thing. But again, the image is a fairly bright nebula, probably will do well with the mostly bright DSOs, not sure how well it handle fainter ones. 

With broadband imaging though (galaxies, clusters, reflection nebulae) the CA will be very obvious, but at this price point it is expected. 

You are correct.  I was looking at narrow band.  Still, as you say, for the price, that looks fine to me and not as bad as I would have expected.

 

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Posted 19 July 2023 - 05:33 PM

that's what I thought would be easiest... but increase/decrease focal is 'easy' just wasn't sure you can increase aperture without having an actually bigger 'hole' lol

I was thinking that maybe the arm that has the lens and sensor could be replaced, but that would seem complicated. Having a barlow that could screw in would be nice, and let you choose widefield vs magnified. 



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Posted 19 July 2023 - 05:54 PM

that's what I thought would be easiest... but increase/decrease focal is 'easy' just wasn't sure you can increase aperture without having an actually bigger 'hole' lol

A teleconverter add-on lens works by having the add-on lens having a bigger aperture on one side and the other side having the same size as what you want to screw it on.    

For example, pictured below is a 3rd-party add-on lens I (sometimes) use for the Dwarf2 where the Dwarf2 has a 1.25"  lens "hole".    As you can see below, this add-on lens is 55mm on the far-side (bigger than the 1.25" lens hole) and the other end of the add-on lens (through the step-up ring) has a matching 1.25" exit connector to screw on the 1.25" threaded input lens of the Dwarf2. 

 

Any add-on lens that ZWO (might) come up with will work in a similar way where one end of the add-on lens will be bigger than 50mm and the other end will be around 50mm or whatever diameter it needs to screw onto the SeeStar.

 

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Posted 21 July 2023 - 02:27 AM

Hello cloudynights members,
I live in Paris (France), the so-called city of lights, a charming place, but not that good for stargazing...
I am totally satisfied by my Celestron starsense LT 80 AZ and its wonderful push-to feature.
I have pre-ordered a Zwo seestar s50 (560 € for early buyers, it seems the price in Europe is higher than in the US...).
I should receive it at the end of August.
I hope this "smartscope" will work also in pretty enlighted environment. Wait and see...

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Posted 21 July 2023 - 07:24 AM

Hello cloudynights members,
I live in Paris (France), the so-called city of lights, a charming place, but not that good for stargazing...
I am totally satisfied by my Celestron starsense LT 80 AZ and its wonderful push-to feature.
I have pre-ordered a Zwo seestar s50 (560 € for early buyers, it seems the price in Europe is higher than in the US...).
I should receive it at the end of August.
I hope this "smartscope" will work also in pretty enlighted environment. Wait and see...

As a current owner of both robotic and conventional scopes, I am sure that you will find the SeeStar a nice companion to the other scope you already have.  Each will be good for their own things.  Use your Celestron starsense LT 80 AZ for planets, moon, (sun with filter), double stars, and a couple of the brighter DSOs.  Use the SeeStar to get access to a lot more DSOs not possible with your optical scope in severe light-polluted skies.


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Posted 23 July 2023 - 06:34 PM

Reading through comments above from ZWO and eyeoftexas I belive Sky Atlas is their planetarium program installed on the ASIAIR app. I couldn't open the app to check on that without a liive camera.

But if that IS Sky Atlas then that's great as the one on their App is wonderful and I use it all the time now instead of looking up objects from lists.

I'd love to see a 2nd and 3rd upgrade - ther's a lot of room for it after the initial startup.

60 or even 70mm would be nice, then go after the 4" to 6" reflector size, though I know that ZWO seems to be going for the refractor world at present. 70mm would put them in serious competition as a "travel scope". That would still be carryon size but should be more compact than anything in that aperature than you or I could assemble.


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Posted 24 July 2023 - 01:37 AM

First addon.  From https://www.facebook...ersewithSeestar

 

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#43 Marco Prunotto

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Posted 24 July 2023 - 03:28 AM

JAC8, I’m consonant with your perspective.

 

I do hope after this first round of small scopes (and all the learnings that such scopes will provide), zwo (or someone else) will come up with a more serious (aka: 15cm?) reflector design (similar to RASA?) that would finally allow to have a off-the-shelf remote telescope, why not potentially with a plug in remote shell “expansion pack”. 

 

The technology is ready (optics wise, camera wise and software wise) and in my opinion there is also a plethora of advanced amateur astronomers (with less time available for their hobbies) that would be willing to buy that. In a certain way the amateur astronomer world (compared when I got my first S&T more than 40y ago) is compressing into two polarized market shares (entry level and advanced). If this new scope would allow flexibility to use preferred filters and imaging softwares, I think it could be the next big think in the amateur astronomer market evolution.

 

best,

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Reading through comments above from ZWO and eyeoftexas I belive Sky Atlas is their planetarium program installed on the ASIAIR app. I couldn't open the app to check on that without a liive camera.

But if that IS Sky Atlas then that's great as the one on their App is wonderful and I use it all the time now instead of looking up objects from lists.

I'd love to see a 2nd and 3rd upgrade - ther's a lot of room for it after the initial startup.

60 or even 70mm would be nice, then go after the 4" to 6" reflector size, though I know that ZWO seems to be going for the refractor world at present. 70mm would put them in serious competition as a "travel scope". That would still be carryon size but should be more compact than anything in that aperature than you or I could assemble.



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Posted 24 July 2023 - 04:51 AM

First addon.  From https://www.facebook...ersewithSeestar

 

362619902_182019724872094_67542940449784

 

I really hope its not some flimsy plastic clip-on but a solid metallic screwable filter like many others.



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Posted 24 July 2023 - 05:54 AM

First time poster here, basically registered because I’m looking forward to getting my Seestar and playing around with it this fall (I hope?). The solar filter makes a lot of sense and I’m glad they’re listening to their customers and beta testers by providing this.

The only thing that bugs me is that it wasn’t able during preorder. I also backed the Vaonis Hestia on Kickstarter and they had a nice bundle offer for the scope and filter.


First addon. From https://www.facebook...ersewithSeestar

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#46 tarbat

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Posted 24 July 2023 - 07:19 AM

With the solar filter in place, from https://www.facebook...ersewithSeestar

As to price, quote from ZWO "Stay tuned for our latest updates, and you might just receive a surprise!😉"
https://www.facebook...roups/seestar50


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Posted 24 July 2023 - 10:17 AM

I really hope its not some flimsy plastic clip-on but a solid metallic screwable filter like many others.

Sure looks like plastic, 3D printing.  I wonder if they’ll come out with other filters like this (OII, H-alpha, etc.)?


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Posted 24 July 2023 - 02:05 PM

The ZWO website still says shipping to begin in August. Has there been any updates on the FB page or other sources?



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Posted 25 July 2023 - 06:23 AM

There is a thread on the Facebook page within the "Seestar S50 (Official ZWO Group)" group page regarding the teaser image of what appears to be a solar filter.    Here is my post and their response overnight.   Read into what you want.

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Posted 25 July 2023 - 01:33 PM

I gave in to curiosity and ordered the S50, today. Looking forward to having a new neat little toy in the gear. 




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