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#276 Jon Isaacs

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Posted 09 June 2025 - 07:22 AM

I will probably be fine with with a little coma on the edges with the 28mm UWA but if it gets bad I will consider the GSO coma corrector. I have heard that this coma corrector does not come ready to use and you have to space it correctly with what ever you have. Are there any coma correctors that are adjustable?

 

Most of the TeleVue Paracorrs are adjustable with a very effective Tunable Top.  The Explore Scientific coma corrector has a tunable top but it is a fine thread so adjustment is not so easy.   

 

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Posted 09 June 2025 - 06:52 PM

I will probably be fine with with a little coma on the edges with the 28mm UWA but if it gets bad I will consider the GSO coma corrector. I have heard that this coma corrector does not come ready to use and you have to space it correctly with what ever you have. Are there any coma correctors that are adjustable?

werttt,

 

Yes, the GSO coma corrector has no simple way to adjust it.  I mean, it's very easy to slide any 2" eyepiece up or down in a focuser.  There's the bottom of it, of course, and then you can't move it down any further, but if you've ever put in an eyepiece into your scope and it won't focus due to loss of back focus (and you don't bother with an extender), you can simply slide the eyepiece out of your focuser a smidge until it focuses (assuming it was almost focused when you ran out of back focuser space).  The same principal works with the GSO coma corrector.  This is, however, rather tedious.  And it gets even more tedious and crazy when you realize that other eyepieces have different settings, so the AT 28 UWA may use a different point than your 18mm 1.25" eyepiece (for example), or 12mm, etc, etc.  For this reason, people who are seriously committed to a flat, non comatic view, will usually end up with the Televue Paracorr, because it has an adjustable top that one can refer to (assuming you've kept up with the various values), and adjust it for each eyepiece, or each eyepiece line.  I believe parfocal eyepieces will have the same setting.

 

This is one of the reasons I, like John Dobson, prefer F/6 newtonians, and I own two of them. I have one F/5, a 130mm, btw, but I don't generally bother with the GSO coma corrector, which I own, but haven't found myself that concerned with.  But coma, to me, gets exponentially bad as one goes below F/5.  Some can tolerate it at F/4.5, others can't stand it at F/6, so, like chromatic aberration, there's no telling how you'll feel about it until you've played with your scope and either come to terms with the coma it has or bought the TV Paracorr to eliminate it once and for all.

 

This comes down, in my estimation, to the type of astronomer you are, and how much you like to tinker.  It's kind of like guys who work on their cars and folks who simply drive them.  Most people, of course, fall into the latter category (much to joy of those who do auto mechanics), but if you really want to control things, well, there are coma correctors.  But that's how they work.  I find coma in F/4.7 scopes a bit unpleasant, more than what F/5 presents, which is also unpleasant, but more like the chromatic aberration I see in my FPL-51 refractor -- it's there, but I'm not gonna spend tons of money to get rid of it.  F/5 coma is like that to me, and F/6 is, as John Dobson found, not bad enough to impinge on the enjoyment of the view.  But ALL newtonians produce a comatic field, just like all doublet and triplet refractors produce a curved field.  The human eye is pretty good about ignoring/improving the view in mind, but I assure you that every F/10 refractor, if used photographically, will clearly produce field curvature stars in its final photographic product (unless one massages them out with software).  The same is true with coma.  I've noticed coma in an F/8 newtonian -- it's there.  But I also don't find it bothersome down through F/6.  Personally, I can tolerate it to F/5.  At F/5, yes, it's getting pretty noticeable, but below that, well, I wouldn't want to own a scope like that myself, even tho I know for a fact that many 10" F/4.7 scopes have very, very good mirrors and produce better views of many, many targets than my 8" F/6, because, aperture rules.  But a person's got to determine all this for himself/herself.  There is no such thing as what's acceptable to anyone but the standards that that person settles on -- no one size fits all.

 

So, that's what you got.  And the AT28mm UWA (like the Nagler T5 31mm or most any other excellent wide field eyepiece) will produce a giant, well-corrected field, but cannot fix the coma in your scope, and, in fact, because of their huge field, will exacerbate the problem.  But the problem originates with the nature of the parabolic mirror, not the eyepiece.  The AT28UWA, like the Nagler T5 31mm, works great in anybody's doublet refractor, and refractors, although they have to deal with field curvature, have no coma.  The AT28UWA is great at what it does, but it doesn't fix coma.  And its price is quite attractive.


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 11:16 AM

A question for the experienced coma corrector users.

How much in your opinion does it benefit solar system viewing, (moon, planets) is it even a benefit?

Do you feel it is required more if using an eyepiece like the UWA we are discussing? (again for solar system).

 

Thanks Leah.



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Posted 11 June 2025 - 12:41 PM

A question for the experienced coma corrector users.

How much in your opinion does it benefit solar system viewing, (moon, planets) is it even a benefit?

Do you feel it is required more if using an eyepiece like the UWA we are discussing? (again for solar system).

 

Thanks Leah.

If the scope tracks and you keep the planet in the center, then no coma corrector is necessary.

If the scope does not track, and the planet drifts across the field as you watch, then yes, a coma corrector is beneficial.

And a coma corrector is useful on the Moon as well, whether the scope tracks or not, because its disc extends to the uncorrected area of the field of view.


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 01:05 PM

A question for the experienced coma corrector users.

How much in your opinion does it benefit solar system viewing, (moon, planets) is it even a benefit?

Do you feel it is required more if using an eyepiece like the UWA we are discussing? (again for solar system).

 

Thanks Leah.

 

Just to add to what Don wrote:

 

I consider a coma corrector more important when viewing the planets with a manually tracked scope than at low powers.  At low powers, I see the coma, it affects the sharpness of the stars but that is mostly an aesthetic issue.

 

When viewing the planets, the coma smears the image, it affects the contrast and crispness.  For calculating the coma free, diffraction limited region, I use the equation DF = 0.022 x F3.  At F/4, that is 1.4mm, at F/5, it's 2.75mm and at F/6 it's 4.75mm.  Divide that by the focal length of the scope and convert to degrees, that's the coma free region in degrees.  It isn't really free of coma, it is the region where a perfect mirror is better than diffraction limited. 

 

In an 8 inch F/6, the coma free diameter is 0.23 degrees, at 200x, that's a "planetary sweet spot" of  45 degrees AFoV.

 

In a 10 inch F/5, the coma free diameter, is 0.12 degrees, at 200x, that's a planetary sweet spot of 25 degrees AFoV.

 

in a 12.5 F/4, the coma free diameter is 0.062 degrees, at 200x, that's a planetary sweet spot of 13 degrees AFoV.  

 

For me, the difference between the view at the center of the field and away from the center, outside the Planetary Sweep spot, is clearly visible.  Even with my 13.1 inch F/5.5, viewing the planets without a coma corrector, the narrow field is very apparent.  The sweet spot is less than 35 degrees AFoV.  Pop in the Paracorr, the sweet spot is the entire field of view.

 

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Posted 11 June 2025 - 01:50 PM

Thanks for the great info! Truly enlightening.

 

Jon what does DF stand for?

Did you invent this equation? (I like it, it makes sense).

 

If you were viewing the moon at moderate magnification, say 50X  without a coma corrector, (that would exceed the coma free zone even in the F6 Newton listed above) would that degrade the quality of image and would that be noticeable?



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Posted 11 June 2025 - 02:15 PM

Leah:

 

DF = Diffraction limited field.  I did not invent the equation, I am not sure exactly where I found it.  Don uses a somewhat different equation but it only differs in the constant, both are proportional to the cube of the focal ratio.  In past discussions, Vladimir Sacek of Telescope-Optics.net has stated that the equation I use is for the equivalent diffraction limited field.  

 

Your question is a good one and not so easy to answer.  Imagine you are viewing the moon in a 200mm F/6 at 50x.  The coma free field would be 0.23 degrees about half the diameter of the moon.  So one might expect to see some loss of sharpness.  

 

But 50x in a 200mm is a 4mm exit pupil and it is likely that your pupil would be no greater than 2mm so instead of an 8 inch F/6, you are viewing through (if you can keep your eye more or less centered) a 4 inch F/12.. Not much coma.. 

 

I get something similar with my 12.5 inch F/4.06.  It is pretty much a coma machine but if I use the 41mm Panoptic without a coma corrector, it produces a 10mm exit pupil.  If my pupil is dilated to 7mm, the scope becomes an 8.75 inch F/5.8 and the coma isn't such a big deal. 

 

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Posted 11 June 2025 - 02:28 PM

Great stuff, thanks for your help Jon.

 

Let's not get into that discussion again about whether the eye stop is the same as an aperture stop!



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Posted 11 June 2025 - 05:06 PM

Coma:
S&T:  D = 0.01778f/r³ in mm
Sidgwick D = 0.0072f/r³ in mm
Sinnott D = 0.0176f/r³ in mm
Everhart D = 0.022f/r³ in mm

f/r³ is focal ratio cubed.

D=diameter of field not influenced by coma, either visibly or in terms of Strehl ratio.

Some of these were calculated for radius--I doubled those to get D.  Those in inches were converted to mm.

Sidgwick is the most demanding and is a bit too demanding.  Coma is still invisible at a larger diameter.

I think it is safe to say that the coma free field's visibility is somewhere between Sinnott and Everhart.

 

In my f/3.75 scope, the difference would be 0.93mm to 1.16mm.

The field stop on my shortest eyepiece is 7mm, which explains why I will use a coma corrector at all magnifications with all eyepieces (except a coma-corrected one).

 

Technical discussion:

https://www.telescop...cs.net/coma.htm


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Posted 12 June 2025 - 10:03 PM

Email from Astronomics Today: The 21mm 82 degrees is in stock and available to order!

Please someone buy and provide info (and namely what I need is where is the field stop located: at shoulder, in barrel or above shoulder?)

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Posted Yesterday, 12:17 AM

I'm outside trying the 28mm AT82 with my 4" refractor..clouds just rolled in...got a good hour and a half with it though. Color transmission is exactly as how Ermest wrote it, very very high, as good and maybe slightly better than the 17mm ES 92, especially on red stars. 10+ magnitude carbon stars are easily picked off from Bortle 8+ zone.

It has super penetration, would keep it just for the transmission. The centerr area is super sharp, it's sharp pretty far out, using an f/5.5 refractor with flattener. A decently comfortable to use, eyeguard up or down. The only thing that bugs me is I feel as if I'm looking through an SWA. Feels 70ish instead of calculated 83. But it's not. I've probably been using 100 degree eyepiece too long. Wish it had a bigger lens somehow too. But I have to say I've not seen an eyepiece I think with such a wide field hidden unless you really get up close, it stretches to infinity, if it had a bigger lens you'd be able to see it so clearly. It's friggin wide in there. Overall good eyepiece.

Tried viewing with my reading glasses, can see about 75% of the field? maybe 80% when my glasses touched the lens.

Saw the email earlier for the 21mm AT82, Explores Scientific has some sale also on 68 degree ep's it said....ain't it fun typing this in 10 Celsius waiting for clouds to pass.

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Posted Yesterday, 10:17 AM

Email from Astronomics Today: The 21mm 82 degrees is in stock and available to order!

Please someone buy and provide info (and namely what I need is where is the field stop located: at shoulder, in barrel or above shoulder?)

Im curious about your fieldstop curiousity.



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Posted Yesterday, 10:25 AM

Question for the 20 mm 100° Astro-Tech users. Can you see the field stop when viewing, or is it in the background so to speak?

 

PS These adverts are causing havoc. Im writing a post and my screen shifts so my next connection with the screen takes me to another page and I lose all of my writing.



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Posted Yesterday, 11:16 AM

Question for the 20 mm 100° Astro-Tech users. Can you see the field stop when viewing, or is it in the background so to speak?

 

PS These adverts are causing havoc. Im writing a post and my screen shifts so my next connection with the screen takes me to another page and I lose all of my writing.

I use a 20mm TS Optics XWA, it's the twist top eyecup version, I see most of the field easily. Very sharp eyepiece also. Someone will chime in with their thoughts on the regular version with eyeguard, would be surprised if it's a different view.

Fantastic eyepieces! Not sure about how it works if wearing glasses.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:56 AM

Question for the 20 mm 100° Astro-Tech users. Can you see the field stop when viewing, or is it in the background so to speak?

 

PS These adverts are causing havoc. I'm writing a post and my screen shifts so my next connection with the screen takes me to another page and I lose all of my writing.

1) Not compatible with glasses.

2) at the exit pupil, the field stop is seen in peripheral vision only, but it is seen.

3) like all 100° eyepieces, you roll your head over to look directly at the edge.

It is no more difficult than any 100° eyepiece.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:57 AM

Question for the 20 mm 100° Astro-Tech users. Can you see the field stop when viewing, or is it in the background so to speak?

PS These adverts are causing havoc. Im writing a post and my screen shifts so my next connection with the screen takes me to another page and I lose all of my writing.


As Don mentioned, yes you can see the field stop but it is in your peripheral vision. So not a soda straw nor missing field of view (provided not wearing glasses.)
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Posted Yesterday, 12:00 PM

yup.. 20/100 field stop can be seen in periphery but rolling head needed to observe that far out.. overall very nice
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Posted Yesterday, 12:06 PM

Im curious about your fieldstop curiousity.

While it doesn’t matter for the SCTs, I have very tight backfocus available (1-2 mm) in my main refractors. I can only use 2” eyepieces whose field stop is at the shoulder or lower (ie in barrel.)

So I can’t use 20mm XWA, 20mm UHD, 26mm reticle eyepiece, etc.

ES82s, ES68-40, Morpheus, Pentax XW are fine.

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Posted Yesterday, 03:29 PM

Thanks for your help everyone. This is my next EP on my list. (20/100).


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Posted Yesterday, 04:44 PM

Thanks for your help everyone. This is my next EP on my list. (20/100).



I'm very happy with my APM 20/100
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