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#1 denis0007dl

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Posted 15 January 2024 - 03:20 PM

Here will be separate thread for binoviewers users...

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Posted 15 January 2024 - 03:36 PM

Thanks for starting this thread Denis. I’m looking forward to hearing about your experiences. I’ve tried both these eyepiece sets and settled on the Tak TPLs, but both were very good.
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Posted 16 January 2024 - 08:32 AM

MOP bino set...

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Posted 16 January 2024 - 08:33 AM

TPL bino set...

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Posted 16 January 2024 - 10:17 AM

Masuyama MOP 12.5mm in binoviewer mode, and beauty of Masuyama MOP coatings...rubber eyeguards removed...

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Posted 16 January 2024 - 10:18 AM

Takahashi 12.5mm TPL in binoviewer mode...rubber eyeguards removed...

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Posted 16 January 2024 - 10:21 AM

Masuyama MOP 30mm in binoviewer mode, eyeguards ON...

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Posted 16 January 2024 - 10:22 AM

Takahashi TPL 33mm in binoviewer mode, eyeguards ON...

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Posted 16 January 2024 - 08:37 PM

Hi Dennis

 

I am very much looking forward to reading your first hand experiences with these eyepiece sets, especially from a bino-viewing perspective. I have the TPL's myself (18, 12.5, 9 and 6mm) that I have been using with my Maxbright II's on both the Mewlon 210 and FC100DF, but unfortunately don't have anything to compare them against. I was also crazy enough to grab the 3 pairs of TOE's as well, which, for the short focal length, are quite usable on the moon with the 100DF.

 

 

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Posted 17 January 2024 - 01:47 PM

I am also very curious how these do.

 

Specifically, I’m curious about what you think of the ergonomics and eye positioning of the 30mm pair when used in conjunction with a Barlow/OCS.



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Posted 17 January 2024 - 01:58 PM

I am also very curious how these do.

Specifically, I’m curious about what you think of the ergonomics and eye positioning of the 30mm pair when used in conjunction with a Barlow/OCS.

I found the 33mm to be very comfortable with ergonomics, though eye relief was slightly longer than I preferred once I got up to 3x barlow (was great at 1.3x and 2.3x). I prefer to be pushed up pretty hard against the eyecups though, and normally prefer longer eye relief eyepieces. The 25mm I find to be the most comfortable eye relief wise, and 18mm least so (haven’t owned any shorter than 18mm). Again this is all very face shape specific, so I wouldn’t put too much stock in this.

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Posted 17 January 2024 - 02:29 PM

I like using TPL 33mm with eyeguards removed, and there I almost got RKE 28mm like floating effect, in which I enjoy.

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Posted 17 January 2024 - 02:33 PM

Interesting is, MOP 30mm when eyeguards are removed, there is not such floating effect like TPL 33mm show - what most observers will actually prefeer.

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Posted 17 January 2024 - 02:41 PM

Ok, comfort wise, between TPL and MOP eyepeices, I prefeer MOP in bino mode.

 

TPL eyepieces provide:

 

1. very very slighty "cleaner" view, with

2. very tiny bit more neutral colour tone, and have

3. very tiny bit better contrast, and have

4. very tiny bit better sharpness, with

5. very tiny bit less scatter,

 

than MOP line.

 

Please keep in mind difference is very, very, very subtile, and NOT always visible, and NOT visible at all objects.

 

User can not get wrong with any of these, and wider FOV in MOP line provide significant advantage for me + I also count on way more attractive look + way more qualty made letters and numbers which are deeply engraved and then painted in MOP line, vs only painted in TPL line.

 

While MOP provide bigger FOV, and have way more atractive ergonomics and look, MOP are my favorites here if I have to choose ONLY between TPL and MOP line.

 

But wile I enoy in wide angle views the most, I mostly used and enjoy in these XWAs, I have whole line in bino pairs, so TPLs for ultimate optical performance there with APO SS binoviewer makes a lot of sense at other side!

 

Here is interesting size comparation...

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Posted 17 January 2024 - 02:50 PM

I personally am not fan of any small FOV eyepeices at all, and every time I switch back to XWA eyepieces in bino mode, there is priceless WOW effect which add smile to my face, and open my soul,

 

so I had to struggle a lot not using XWAs in time I tested TPLs vs MOPs lol.gif .

 

All best,

Denis


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Posted 17 January 2024 - 02:55 PM

For ULTIMATE optical performance in both bino and mono mode, if FOV doesnt matter to you, both TPL and MOP line are currently best eyepeices in market in my opinion, and as I already stated, it wouldnt suprise me if both line are better (optical performance) than ZAOs and ZAO IIs.

 

Kind regards,

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Posted 17 January 2024 - 07:21 PM

I personally am not fan of any small FOV eyepeices at all, and every time I switch back to XWA eyepieces in bino mode, there is priceless WOW effect which add smile to my face, and open my soul,

so I had to struggle a lot not using XWAs in time I tested TPLs vs MOPs lol.gif .

All best,
Denis

Oddly enough I went on an AFOV diet and it worked, restricting myself to only sub 50* AFOV eyepieces for a few months. It seriously cured my wide field addiction. I actually now find narrow AFOV more relaxing, despite less initial wow effect. Cured myself just in time for the TPL release. grin.gif


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Posted 18 January 2024 - 03:56 PM

Denis,

do you have Zeiss ZOAs or Zeiss II set?

I am personally rooting for them as I am invested in them already.



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Posted 18 January 2024 - 05:06 PM

I dont have them currently, but had them several times and sold.

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Posted 19 January 2024 - 02:45 PM

Takahashi 12.5mm TPL in binoviewer mode...rubber eyeguards removed...


What do you think about this set ? Enough easy to use ?

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Posted 20 January 2024 - 05:57 AM

Yes, easy and excellent!

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Posted 20 January 2024 - 11:42 AM

Thanks Denis, it's help me.

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Posted 01 February 2024 - 02:37 PM

I dont have them currently, but had them several times and sold.

Curious Denis, if you don’t mind my asking, why did you sell them? In weaker moments I’ve thought about trying to get a pair of 25mm ZAO, but with the TPLs being so good, not sure it would be worth the money.

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Posted 01 February 2024 - 02:44 PM

Very simple answer: I prefeer larger FOV eyepieces due way more immerssive views!

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Posted 01 February 2024 - 05:29 PM

Very simple answer: I prefeer larger FOV eyepieces due way more immerssive views!

Denis

 

That sounds like me!  Yes, I enjoyed the views with my old CZJ and ZAO-II orthos, but I will never give up my T5 and T6 Nagler collection.  The views are too stunning - I feel like I am floating out there and can reach out and touch the stars.

 

Cheers,

 

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