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[Matt0011]

I plan to do a 3 night Cherry Springs trip (overnight astronomy field) this year and since it's a long drive I want to be as well prepared as possible. I haven't been camping since I was a kid and I never had to plan out a camping trip myself, so I'm hoping someone can answer a few very specific questions. 

 

• Showers: I know there are showers at Lyman Run State Park, but I'd like to know: how do I gain access to them - just go to the main office and give them money and I'm good? What is the cost? Are they open 24/7? I hear there's only one shower in each restroom, plus one in a family restroom - is this true? (Seems like it may be a problem if more than 1 person wants to use it, no?) Is it a private shower stall with a door/curtain or one of those open communal areas?
   
• Surviving the daytime heat: I'm not really interested in doing anything other than stargazing stuff. I don't want to go anywhere or do anything during the day. Assuming 80 degree daytime highs, any tips for staying cool on the astronomy field? I was thinking of getting a shade canopy to suspend with poles a few feet above my tent. Does anyone bring portable air conditioners or electric fans?
   
• Food: I was thinking of bringing a refrigerated cooler and an electric burner. What are some good food items to bring for a 3 night stay? Also, how do you go about cleaning pans/dishes/utensils? For example, if I make eggs or a burger in a pan, how do you clean the pan and spatula - just wipe it down with a damp rag, or is there a better way? (I hear there's a food vendor on-site but I don't want to rely on that.)
   
• Trash: If I bring trash bags and fill them up, do they have dumpsters or something I can throw them in?
   
• Water: Do they have any sort of water supply? Like a pump or anything to get clean water from (aside from the bathroom sinks)? If so, is it suitable for drinking, or do you just bring your own bottled water?
   
• Staying warm at night: I have a cot, 0-degree sleeping bag, and will be bringing lots of warm cloths. I was also thinking of bringing a small electric space heater for inside my tent. Are there any considerations I should make when using the space heater? Any other tips?
   
• Footwear: I hear the grass can get really dewy. Literally every single pair of "waterproof" shoes/boots I've looked at have half the reviewers saying the waterproofing works great and the other half saying their feet got soaked. I don't want wet feet. Last resort may be bringing my clunky snow boots or getting bag-style waterproof shoe covers, but before I go that route, does anyone have a reliable waterproof shoe/boot recommendation?
   
• Social etiquette: If I walk around and see someone with a cool telescope, is there a good way to know whether they would be welcoming of conversation or if they're just trying to keep to themselves and don't want to be bothered? I'd imagine some people want to just be left alone so they can enjoy their experience without being interrupted and having their observing time taken away by having to entertain polite conversation or letting someone else try out their telescope. Just curious how things work socially at places like this.
   
• Cable management: Would people ever be walking by my setup in a way that they might be stepping over my cables? Ex: power cord from outlet to telescope, USB cable from telescope to tent. Just wondering if people do anything to protect cables from being tripped over or snagged.

 

Thanks.

Edited by Matt0011, 29 February 2024 - 10:29 AM.

[DanMiller]

I plan to do a 3 night Cherry Springs trip (overnight astronomy field) this year and since it's a long drive I want to be as well prepared as possible. I haven't been camping since I was a kid and I never had to plan out a camping trip myself, so I'm hoping someone can answer a few very specific questions. 

 

• Showers: I know there are showers at Lyman Run State Park, but I'd like to know: how do I gain access to them - just go to the main office and give them money and I'm good? What is the cost? Are they open 24/7? I hear there's only one shower in each restroom, plus one in a family restroom - is this true? (Seems like it may be a problem if more than 1 person wants to use it, no?) Is it a private shower stall with a door/curtain or one of those open communal areas?
   
• Surviving the daytime heat: I'm not really interested in doing anything other than stargazing stuff. I don't want to go anywhere or do anything during the day. Assuming 80 degree daytime highs, any tips for staying cool on the astronomy field? I was thinking of getting a shade canopy to suspend with poles a few feet above my tent. Does anyone bring portable air conditioners or electric fans?
   
• Food: I was thinking of bringing a refrigerated cooler and an electric burner. What are some good food items to bring for a 3 night stay? Also, how do you go about cleaning pans/dishes/utensils? For example, if I make eggs or a burger in a pan, how do you clean the pan and spatula - just wipe it down with a damp rag, or is there a better way? (I hear there's a food vendor on-site but I don't want to rely on that.)
   
• Trash: If I bring trash bags and fill them up, do they have dumpsters or something I can throw them in?
   
• Water: Do they have any sort of water supply? Like a pump or anything to get clean water from (aside from the bathroom sinks)? If so, is it suitable for drinking, or do you just bring your own bottled water?
   
• Staying warm at night: I have a cot, 0-degree sleeping bag, and will be bringing lots of warm cloths. I was also thinking of bringing a small electric space heater for inside my tent. Are there any considerations I should make when using the space heater? Any other tips?
   
• Footwear: I hear the grass can get really dewy. Literally every single pair of "waterproof" shoes/boots I've looked at have half the reviewers saying the waterproofing works great and the other half saying their feet got soaked. I don't want wet feet. Last resort may be bringing my clunky snow boots or getting bag-style waterproof shoe covers, but before I go that route, does anyone have a reliable waterproof shoe/boot recommendation?
   
• Social etiquette: If I walk around and see someone with a cool telescope, is there a good way to know whether they would be welcoming of conversation or if they're just trying to keep to themselves and don't want to be bothered? I'd imagine some people want to just be left alone so they can enjoy their experience without being interrupted and having their observing time taken away by having to entertain polite conversation or letting someone else try out their telescope. Just curious how things work socially at places like this.

 

Thanks.

The only thing I can say about the day time heat.  You are on top of a mountain with a large forest around you.  I live on a mountain top, and it is cooler hear then in the valeys.

 

I was at Cherry springs one time just on a day time drive.  Not for astro or anything.  So, I am going to bring up something you haven't addressed.  Getting there and getting back.  

Make sure your vehicle is in good working order.  You get to this park by driving up a 2 lane road where there is NOTHING around.  Don't break down.  BEFOR you start up that mountain for your stay, make sure you fill up the tank at the bottom of same mountain.  Would seriously suck to run out of gas on the way off that mountain.

 

If you are only going to stay at the observation area, their web site says there is power outlets there.

 

I think you will have a good time.  Enjoy and clear skies.

 

Dan

[plunk111]

I think the power outlets are for astronomy purposes only, so my advice would be to bring a little camping propane single burner. I’ve only been to CSSP once about 10 years ago but it was awesome! As far as using others’ scopes, just ask… I’m planning on attending this year, btw.

 

Pat

[Richie2shoes]

I plan to do a 3 night Cherry Springs trip (overnight astronomy field) this year and since it's a long drive I want to be as well prepared as possible. I haven't been camping since I was a kid and I never had to plan out a camping trip myself, so I'm hoping someone can answer a few very specific questions. 

 

• Showers: I know there are showers at Lyman Run State Park, but I'd like to know: how do I gain access to them - just go to the main office and give them money and I'm good? What is the cost? Are they open 24/7? I hear there's only one shower in each restroom, plus one in a family restroom - is this true? (Seems like it may be a problem if more than 1 person wants to use it, no?) Is it a private shower stall with a door/curtain or one of those open communal areas?  

1. Never used the showers, I take body wipes and dry shampoo.
    

• Surviving the daytime heat: I'm not really interested in doing anything other than stargazing stuff. I don't want to go anywhere or do anything during the day. Assuming 80 degree daytime highs, any tips for staying cool on the astronomy field? I was thinking of getting a shade canopy to suspend with poles a few feet above my tent. Does anyone bring portable air conditioners or electric fans?

1. I set up a canopy outside my tent, covering my cooking area and giving shade to relax.  My first trip up, I didn't and it was brutal.  There is a pavilion, but I like staying close to my gear.
    

• Food: I was thinking of bringing a refrigerated cooler and an electric burner. What are some good food items to bring for a 3 night stay? Also, how do you go about cleaning pans/dishes/utensils? For example, if I make eggs or a burger in a pan, how do you clean the pan and spatula - just wipe it down with a damp rag, or is there a better way? (I hear there's a food vendor on-site but I don't want to rely on that.)

1. I keep it simple, protein shakes for breakfast, lunch meat for sandwiches, and either a frozen skillet meal or individual frozen dinners that I just heat up in a skillet.  I take a sponge, dish soap and a small storage container to act as a sink, along with a 5 gallon bucket with a lid for grey water.  The bucket comes home with me and is dumped in my back yard.  You don't want to attract more critters around the camping area.  Don't forget a coffee pot and coffee!
    

• Trash: If I bring trash bags and fill them up, do they have dumpsters or something I can throw them in?

1. Yes
    

• Water: Do they have any sort of water supply? Like a pump or anything to get clean water from (aside from the bathroom sinks)? If so, is it suitable for drinking, or do you just bring your own bottled water?

1. There are pumps on the grounds with potable water.  I bring up a couple gallon jug and fill as needed.  Saving half gallon or gallon jugs at home, cleaning, filling and freezing solves 2 problems.  The large blocks of ice melt slower and work as ice packs, plus you can use the water to drink or clean dishes.
    

• Staying warm at night: I have a cot, 0-degree sleeping bag, and will be bringing lots of warm cloths. I was also thinking of bringing a small electric space heater for inside my tent. Are there any considerations I should make when using the space heater? Any other tips?

1. The power pedastals are for scopes only, I would recommend a power source and 12v electric blanket.  Put the blanket in your bag, turn it on and lay on it, not under it.  On low, it will keep you warm and last for several hours depending on the power pack you use.
    

• Footwear: I hear the grass can get really dewy. Literally every single pair of "waterproof" shoes/boots I've looked at have half the reviewers saying the waterproofing works great and the other half saying their feet got soaked. I don't want wet feet. Last resort may be bringing my clunky snow boots or getting bag-style waterproof shoe covers, but before I go that route, does anyone have a reliable waterproof shoe/boot recommendation?

1. I've never experienced this problem.  There is dew there, but a regular pair of hiking shoes always worked well for me.  If you're really concerned take up a cheap throw rug to put under your scope/observing chair.  
    

• Social etiquette: If I walk around and see someone with a cool telescope, is there a good way to know whether they would be welcoming of conversation or if they're just trying to keep to themselves and don't want to be bothered? I'd imagine some people want to just be left alone so they can enjoy their experience without being interrupted and having their observing time taken away by having to entertain polite conversation or letting someone else try out their telescope. Just curious how things work socially at places like this.

1. Approach them during the day, strike up a conversation and ask if you can stop by after dark to check out the view.  Most will say yes, some will say no.  Respect the decision.
    

• Cable management: Would people ever be walking by my setup in a way that they might be stepping over my cables? Ex: power cord from outlet to telescope, USB cable from telescope to tent. Just wondering if people do anything to protect cables from being tripped over or snagged.

1. It's really not a problem that I ever noticed.  People don't normally wander through the fields in the middle of the night, they stick to the roads/paths.  If you are concerned, you can pick up some glow in the dark masking tape to mark your cords.

 

Thanks.

See my responses above.  My advice, google car camping checklists.  You'll find a couple options, pick one, go through and add/delete based on your preference.

Edited by Richie2shoes, 29 February 2024 - 01:39 PM.

[Matt0011]

The power pedastals are for scopes only,

 

I saw on their website they mention "Electrical pedestals are for the charging of telescope batteries and small appliance or laptop use."

 

https://www.dcnr.pa....Stargazing.aspx

 

I took "small appliance" as things like a space heater, electric burner, coffee maker, mini fridge, etc. Wondering if you could confirm whether it would be a problem to hook any of those things up?

 

Thanks for the detailed post. Very helpful.

 

Also, how do you keep things cold? If you use a cooler, do they have ice for sale somewhere close?

Edited by Matt0011, 29 February 2024 - 02:03 PM.

[Richie2shoes]

I saw on their website they mention "Electrical pedestals are for the charging of telescope batteries and small appliance or laptop use."

 

https://www.dcnr.pa....Stargazing.aspx

 

I took "small appliance" as things like a space heater, electric burner, coffee maker, mini fridge, etc. Wondering if you could confirm whether it would be a problem to hook any of those things up?

 

Thanks for the detailed post. Very helpful.

 

Also, how do you keep things cold? If you use a cooler, do they have ice for sale somewhere close?

Basically they don't want RVs plugging into the pedestal, or anything that will draw too much, like a portable AC unit.  Charging batteries is fine, a coffee maker or cpap machine is fine.  The issue with the space heater is that it's incredibly inefficient in the tent.  The electric blanket in the sleeping bag traps the heat and will keep you warmer.

I use a cooler, and I freeze four 1/2 gallon jugs and about half of the 500ml bottles I take, it'll easily last me 3 days.  Keep the cooler in the shade and cover it with a quilted moving pad to help keep the cold in.  If you do need ice, you can get it about a mile up the road at the Cherry Springs country store.  Basically buy a larger cooler than you need and fill the dead space with blocks of ice.

 

Here's a link to my camp set up.  Longer trips in warm weather I use the tent.  Shorter trips or cooler weather, I sleep in the back of the truck.

 

 

Edit to add:  Please weight/stake/tie down any tent or canopy you set up.  Almost every trip, I see someone's tent or canopy blowing across the field.

Edited by Richie2shoes, 29 February 2024 - 09:27 PM.

[George N]

I plan to do a 3 night Cherry Springs trip (overnight astronomy field) this year .......

 

• Showers: I know there are showers at Lyman Run State Park, but I'd like to know: how do I gain access to them - just go to the main office and give them money and I'm good? What is the cost? Are they open 24/7? I hear there's only one shower in each restroom, plus one in a family restroom - is this true? (Seems like it may be a problem if more than 1 person wants to use it, no?) Is it a private shower stall with a door/curtain or one of those open communal areas?
   
• Surviving the daytime heat: I'm not really interested in doing anything other than stargazing stuff. I don't want to go anywhere or do anything during the day. Assuming 80 degree daytime highs, any tips for staying cool on the astronomy field? I was thinking of getting a shade canopy to suspend with poles a few feet above my tent. Does anyone bring portable air conditioners or electric fans?
   
• .....

Showers: Lyman Run is about a 30-minute drive one way - because the roads are so poor you can't go faster than about 30 or 40. The shower building has men's & and women's sides - three showers on each side. I've used the shower about 6 trips - and have had a short wait once or twice - never long - there are tables to sit at in the parking area. You can pay with cash in an envelope - or stop off at the Headquarters and pay with a credit card, etc. - that obviously only works during the daytime.

 

Daytime: You will be camping in the middle of an open field - make sure you have shade, water, etc. I sometimes haul a reclining chair or even my air mattress - over under the shade trees on the West side of the park. Also - the log pavilion is in the shade, always open, always has AC power and lights - there are also picnic tables and charcoal cookers in that area under the trees. I sometimes go in there with my laptop to process images during the daytime - cool, nice to sit on the tables - WiFi works well from in there.

[George N]

I plan to do a 3 night Cherry Springs trip (overnight astronomy field).......

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• Food: I was thinking of bringing a refrigerated cooler and an electric burner. What are some good food items to bring for a 3 night stay? Also, how do you go about cleaning pans/dishes/utensils? For example, if I make eggs or a burger in a pan, how do you clean the pan and spatula - just wipe it down with a damp rag, or is there a better way? (I hear there's a food vendor on-site but I don't want to rely on that.)
   
• Trash: If I bring trash bags and fill them up, do they have dumpsters or something I can throw them in?
   
• Water: Do they have any sort of water supply? Like a pump or anything to get clean water from (aside from the bathroom sinks)? If so, is it suitable for drinking, or do you just bring your own bottled water?
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Food - You really need to call Lyman Run and get "the skinny" on the AC power usage. There are endless disagreements here on CN -- you need the truth from the Park Rangers - often the Park Manager answers the phone and will tell you want can/can't be done. Friends have even had special permission from the Park Manager (in person!!) to re-charge camper batteries during the daytime. I always 'survive' on "cooler food" (no cooking - hoagies, etc) and going out to eat. (but see posts about the new food vendor). The only thing I've seen about 'cleaning' is - no dish cleaning under the water spickets. *Also* - when grilling, or cooking - no greasy smoke - I've never had a problem, but folks complained that their telescopes were hit from greasy smoke from a big group's monster grill. I believe there's a 'rule' about no smoke - use common sense. Oh - and no booze allowed in PA Parks - so leave the beer, etc, at home.

 

Trash: Yes there are dumpsters (not sure about Winter??).

 

Water: There is a water system on the field with spickets that you can drink, etc. The water in the bathroom is NOT drinkable because of some contamination. It's for hand washing, etc. All the water is turned off during the Winter months - check with the Park - they often announce it on their website.

Edited by George N, 01 March 2024 - 12:27 PM.

[George N]

• .....
   
• Staying warm at night: I have a cot, 0-degree sleeping bag, and will be bringing lots of warm cloths. I was also thinking of bringing a small electric space heater for inside my tent. Are there any considerations I should make when using the space heater? Any other tips?
   
• Footwear: I hear the grass can get really dewy. Literally every single pair of "waterproof" shoes/boots I've looked at have half the reviewers saying the waterproofing works great and the other half saying their feet got soaked. I don't want wet feet. Last resort may be bringing my clunky snow boots or getting bag-style waterproof shoe covers, but before I go that route, does anyone have a reliable waterproof shoe/boot recommendation?
   
• Social etiquette: If I walk around and see someone with a cool telescope, is there a good way to know whether they would be welcoming of conversation or if they're just trying to keep to themselves and don't want to be bothered? I'd imagine some people want to just be left alone so they can enjoy their experience without being interrupted and having their observing time taken away by having to entertain polite conversation or letting someone else try out their telescope. Just curious how things work socially at places like this.
   
• Cable management: Would people ever be walking by my setup in a way that they might be stepping over my cables? Ex: power cord from outlet to telescope, USB cable from telescope to tent. Just wondering if people do anything to protect cables from being tripped over or snagged..

Staying Warm -- Go luck! I've been there at 20 F and seen snow come down! It will be colder than what the 'weather' says - because the forecasts are NOT for up on top of the mountain. Consult with camping advice - but remember - when observing/imaging you are not moving much - so you need more warm clothes than for say taking a walk. I always bring 4-season clothing - and have spent Summer nights in a parka - and full arctic gear for April or October. I always bring chem and/or electric handwarmers. 

 

Footwear: Yes, you need good hiking shoes/boots - no fun to have leaking wet boots, and then have the temp fall below freezing ( I've seen frost and ice at CSSP in late June!! ). You might want something lighter for warm days - but - there are ticks and Lyme disease - so I wouldn't consider sandals, bare feet, etc. Again - consult camping sources.

 

Social: Follow the Golden Rule - but - expect just about anything! I personally find the folks there very friendly - and helpful too - but you might run into a 'grumpy loaner' - biggest issue - NO WHITE LIGHTS - NO really bright red lights - no laser pointers - no uncovered PC's etc. ....and no radios/music, etc - use headphones for yer music, baseball games, etc. Quite in the morning - some folks are working on 4 all-nighters and need their sleep in the late morning.

 

Cables: Are everywhere at CSSP - (as are tent lines). Keep yours neat, check the area before dark - be careful walking around at night. There are some 'chuck holes' - one emergency I've seen was a person with a broken bone after getting a foot stuck in a hole..

Edited by George N, 01 March 2024 - 12:36 PM.

[Dave Mitsky]

Footwear: I hear the grass can get really dewy. Literally every single pair of "waterproof" shoes/boots I've looked at have half the reviewers saying the waterproofing works great and the other half saying their feet got soaked. I don't want wet feet. Last resort may be bringing my clunky snow boots or getting bag-style waterproof shoe covers, but before I go that route, does anyone have a reliable waterproof shoe/boot recommendation?

Acquire a pair of all rubber boots.

 

https://www.amazon.c...sl_2in4pe79cl_e

[Dave Mitsky]

In case you haven't seen it, this link provides some useful information and a map of the park.

https://elibrary.dcn...P_ParkGuide.pdf

[Larry Mc]

These are Great questions for newbies! (Maybe the Moderators could pin this discussion for future use?)

Some long-timers have already answered, but thought I'd add my 2 cents below.

 

I plan to do a 3 night Cherry Springs trip (overnight astronomy field) this year and since it's a long drive I want to be as well prepared as possible. I haven't been camping since I was a kid and I never had to plan out a camping trip myself, so I'm hoping someone can answer a few very specific questions. 

 

• Showers: I know there are showers at Lyman Run State Park, but I'd like to know: how do I gain access to them - just go to the main office and give them money and I'm good? What is the cost? Are they open 24/7? I hear there's only one shower in each restroom, plus one in a family restroom - is this true? (Seems like it may be a problem if more than 1 person wants to use it, no?) Is it a private shower stall with a door/curtain or one of those open communal areas?

1. Each restroom/shower house will have a box with envelopes outside the main door. Just put your $4 in the envelope and drop it down the slot. As long as the campground is open, so will the showers. I generally use the "Lower Campground" shower facility. (on the right up the hill after you first enter the park & across from the ATV parking on the left). There's one facility serving that campground at the top of the hill, with one shower stall each in the men's/women's sides. There is a door on the stall and a bench inside. The 'family'  restroom in the middle has one shower, but no door or curtain. But you can lock the outside door and have the room to yourself.

• Surviving the daytime heat: I'm not really interested in doing anything other than stargazing stuff. I don't want to go anywhere or do anything during the day. Assuming 80 degree daytime highs, any tips for staying cool on the astronomy field? I was thinking of getting a shade canopy to suspend with poles a few feet above my tent. Does anyone bring portable air conditioners or electric fans?

1. Yes, do bring an easy-up canopy to create your own shade. As mentioned, you definitely want to secure it to the ground. The little skinny stakes that generally come with these tents are useless. Go buy at least four good thick 10" stakes to use, one on each leg. (don't forget the hammer). Also, get four canopy 'clips' that attach to the canopy fabric in the middle of each side. You can then attach long bungie cords. (will need to get those too), to the clips and stretch down to the leg stakes. Don't put too much stress on the fabric, you just want enough to keep it a little taught. This will help keep the canopy attached to the metal frame during winds and will help keep water from a heavy rain from ponding on the fabric and damaging the canopy. 
    

• Food: I was thinking of bringing a refrigerated cooler and an electric burner. What are some good food items to bring for a 3 night stay? Also, how do you go about cleaning pans/dishes/utensils? For example, if I make eggs or a burger in a pan, how do you clean the pan and spatula - just wipe it down with a damp rag, or is there a better way? (I hear there's a food vendor on-site but I don't want to rely on that.)

1. If you have an electric cooler, its ok to plug those in. (you'll still probably need ice on a really hot day). Loose the electric burner and get a stable propane burner.  Do not use any portable AC unit! They are forbidden!  (if you are overheating during the day and can't find any relief in the shade, get into your car and start your car and run its AC to cool off). You should be ok using a small fan inside a tent, but see if you can find one that is battery powered. The key thing with the power pedestals is not to overload and pop the circuit you are on.  Especially if someone else is plugged into the other duplex circuit! Try to use as few electrical appliances at a time, particularly at night, you don't want to accidently kill the power to someone's telescope/laptop. 
2. Food-wise, If you are only going to be there for a couple days, don't worry about cooking, just get basic items that don't involve a lot of prep time. Pop-tarts, fruit cups, granola bars for breakfast, peanut butter sandwiches & chips for lunch, pre-cooked ham slices for dinner. You could also get a small low-wattage portable microwave and then you can heat up stuff such as pasta cups, chilly cups, Mac n Cheese cups, Hormel dinners, etc. little to no mess to cleanup afterwards!
3. Regarding dishwashing, whatever you do, DO NOT wash your dishes/pans beside the water spigot!!  Yuck!!  Fill a jug and take it back to your campsite to wash with. Then take your grey water to one of the restrooms and put it down the toilet. (As I don't tent camp, not sure if its ok to take it over to the woods and dump it there)
    

• Trash: If I bring trash bags and fill them up, do they have dumpsters or something I can throw them in?

1. Generally, there's a dumpster onsite, but be prepared to pack your trash home. Do not leave any trash bags lying outside during the day or night. That will attract unwanted critters, especially Yogi & Booboo. Keep the bags inside your vehicle until you can dispose of them either in a dumpster or back home.
    

• Water: Do they have any sort of water supply? Like a pump or anything to get clean water from (aside from the bathroom sinks)? If so, is it suitable for drinking, or do you just bring your own bottled water?

1. Yes, the field water spigots are good to drink! DO NOT drink the water from the restroom! It contains arsenic.

• Staying warm at night: I have a cot, 0-degree sleeping bag, and will be bringing lots of warm cloths. I was also thinking of bringing a small electric space heater for inside my tent. Are there any considerations I should make when using the space heater? Any other tips?

1. Something I've done in the past is a few hours before you go to bed, throw 2 to 4 'hand warmers' inside the sleeping bag. It will be warm when you finally crawl in for the night. Just be careful that the hand-warmers do not touch your bare skin as they can burn. (I either take them out of the sleeping bag or move them to the foot of the bag and wear socks. (pro tip: if you're not going to keep them inside the sleeping bag overnight, put the hand-warmers inside a zip-lock bag and squeeze all the air out. That will stop the chemical reaction and you can extend their use for another day).

• Footwear: I hear the grass can get really dewy. Literally every single pair of "waterproof" shoes/boots I've looked at have half the reviewers saying the waterproofing works great and the other half saying their feet got soaked. I don't want wet feet. Last resort may be bringing my clunky snow boots or getting bag-style waterproof shoe covers, but before I go that route, does anyone have a reliable waterproof shoe/boot recommendation? 

1. Yeah, the ground can get really wet at night. I take two pairs of old shoes and boots to wear. (if one pair of shoes gets soaked, the next day set them out to dry and wear the other pair). Spray the shoes/boots down with water-repellent. Double the number of socks you take, a light pair for daytime wear and heavy wool for night. (take a few extra heavier pair). Also, you could try getting a roll of those small plastic bags used for doggie poo and put over your socks before putting on your shoes. That way if the shoe leaks your socks will stay dry, (unless you sweat thru your feet, lol).
    

• Social etiquette: If I walk around and see someone with a cool telescope, is there a good way to know whether they would be welcoming of conversation or if they're just trying to keep to themselves and don't want to be bothered? I'd imagine some people want to just be left alone so they can enjoy their experience without being interrupted and having their observing time taken away by having to entertain polite conversation or letting someone else try out their telescope. Just curious how things work socially at places like this.

1. Definitely introduce yourself to your neighbors. Tell them what kind of astronomer you are, (visual or astrophoto), and your equipment. Invite them to stop over later to visit. Ask them about their setup. Let them know that you are new to the park/camping, and if they see any lights coming from you at night to please let you know so you can fix it.
    

• Cable management: Would people ever be walking by my setup in a way that they might be stepping over my cables? Ex: power cord from outlet to telescope, USB cable from telescope to tent. Just wondering if people do anything to protect cables from being tripped over or snagged.

1. With bigger crowds on the observing field, its possible for someone shortcutting thru your campsite to snag a cable. (I've had that happen).  I take several preventive actions such as keeping my cables run together as much as possible, staking them down using heavy copper wire bent in a U-shape as the stake, glow tape, and a few small outdoor carpet mats/runners laid overtop the cables. 

 

Thanks.

Edited by Larry Mc, 01 March 2024 - 04:28 PM.

[Dave Mitsky]

Staying Warm -- Go luck! I've been there at 20 F and seen snow come down! It will be colder than what the 'weather' says - because the forecasts are NOT for up on top of the mountain. Consult with camping advice - but remember - when observing/imaging you are not moving much - so you need more warm clothes than for say taking a walk. I always bring 4-season clothing - and have spent Summer nights in a parka - and full arctic gear for April or October. I always bring chem and/or electric handwarmers.

A number of years ago in May, I was at the park one night when the temperature dropped to 24 degrees F.

[astrogeek64]

The last time I was there in the summer, I had no problem at all that a couple small battery powered fans couldn't deal with.

 

It was only three days, I didn't care about showers. Washed my stinky spots in the bathroom sink.

 

The location is rather remote, gas up before you head up the mountain.

 

See you there.

 

Dave Read

[ischua]

Camping hacks I learned at CS

gallon jugs of frozen water. keeps a cooler cold and and dry +provides drinking/cleaning water.

Dont go crazy with food items

canned food with pop tops, heat on small gas/alcohol stove in can. plastic and paper no clean up.

keep breakfast simple,instant oatmeal or cereal. if you are up all night you aren't eating breakfast. or use food vendor.

snacks low salt

you are going to need to drink more plan ahead.

you are going to get damp not just your feet, extra socks and  jackets and some way to hang them to dry.

rain gear just in case

hats

sent free bug/sun screen, no sprays! bad for optics, paints and plastics

there is/was a store a couple of miles down the road. plan to spend more there.

extra cash

tables and tents/awning are great for cable management/blockers

[JimB1]

The last couple of years cold at night was much more of an issue than heat during the day. Wind was an issue last year as well. 
 

I used a propane Buddy heater in my tent for a few min before I went to bed and a 12v electric blanket inside my sleeping bag for the rest of the night. I don’t like leaving the buddy heater on when I am sleeping but it gets the tent toasty in a few min and then the tent stays reasonably warm for quite a while after I turn it off. Getting out of the sleeping bag in the morning was a tough decision  

 

I had solar panels for my Ecoflow generators but did plug them In a little during the day too and no one seemed to care. Last year the smoke from the Canadian fires cut my solar input by 10% or more so the plugs worked out well. 

You can’t have open fires but you can have propane camp stoves so I had coffee going all the time and normal food. 

-Jim

Edited by JimB1, 18 March 2024 - 09:03 PM.

[Ac2aj]

If you're going in June be prepared there is a possibility to raining on you the entire time. I've been to CSSP a few years and most of the nights have been waiting for sucker holes to open and one year I left early due to down-pouring the entire weekend. Clear skies are definitely not a guarantee.


Brian

[George N]

If you're going in June be prepared there is a possibility to raining on you the entire time. I've been to CSSP a few years and most of the nights have been waiting for sucker holes to open and one year I left early due to down-pouring the entire weekend. Clear skies are definitely not a guarantee.


Brian

Ya, it can be wet - one of the reasons to try to plan on flex'ing early or late as needed.

 

Makes me think of 2019 - last pre-covid CSSP. Weather was so wet that lots of people got vehicles stuck in the mud. I arrived on Friday (Thur was pure rain) - and could just squeeze in to a field where 25% or more was unusable because of the mud. ( The GMO - "George's Mobile Observatory" in the one spot where it would not sink into the mud: https://www.flickr.c...57709056809122/) My Obsession 20 was way out on the 'edge' beyond anyone else - near the pine plantation - https://www.flickr.c...57709056809122/

 

As I remember it - Fri/Sat nights featured some observing - Heavy thunderstorms hit just after the final raffle on Sunday - a few friends and I stayed - awful heavy rain Sunday night. Both Monday and Tuesday nights were perfectly clear - great observing nights - BUT - by 2 AM both nights it got below freezing - in June!! My scope and observing table were covered in frost both nights - I woke up each morning in a tent that was covered in a sheet of ice. ....and the mud never dried up - it just froze late-night. My Obsession 20 was surrounded by a donut of mud. But the observing was great both nights!

 

Here's a Flickr Album of photos - nearly all taken Monday/Tuesday after the star party was over: https://www.flickr.c...57709056809122/

Edited by George N, 20 March 2024 - 10:10 AM.

[Richie2shoes]

The mention of rain brings up a good tip.  Have a ground sheet under your tent, but make sure it doesn't extend beyond your tent's footprint.  The ground sheet/tarp will help a great deal to prevent seepage through the floor, but if it extends beyond the tent, it just collects the water making it worse.

Edited by Richie2shoes, 20 March 2024 - 10:14 AM.

[Rotciv.greene]

The mention of rain brings up a good tip. Have a ground sheet under your tent, but make sure it doesn't extend beyond your tent's footprint. The ground sheet/tarp will help a great deal to prevent seepage through the floor, but if it extends beyond the tent, it just collects the water making it worse.

Solid point. When I was a scout we learned to roll the excess edge of the tarp under itself until it was covered by the tent. Don’t roll it over itself as this creates a water catch!

Edited by Rotciv.greene, 21 March 2024 - 09:57 AM.

[coldzero]

On the comment above about AC units banned.  I would suggest clarifying that AC units plugged into the power poles is banned because of how much power they'd pull.  But if you have a way of powering it on its own, for example Ecoflow makes one with a battery unit built in, that would probably be fine.  I used a space heater connected to my EV last year and there's obviously not issues with that as it doesn't impact anybody else.

 

If you have an EV, there are high power outlets over by the food vendor on the wall, if you stop by they Lyman office you can purchase a permit that allows you to plug into those for higher amp charging.  I offered power to my neighbors off my EV truck since those poles fill up pretty quick, if I stayed longer last year my plan was to charge in the day over there and then power everything off truck at night and take some load off the poles.

[Matt0011]

Another question:

 

What do you all use for blocking white light on phone/laptop screens and car lights (dome light, interior/exterior accent lights, etc.)? I was thinking I could just buy a roll of red cling wrap but am just now realizing that such a thing doesn't seem to exist, at least in a form that's cost effective. Glad brand red cling wrap seems to be a limited time holiday item and is currently selling for $20 per roll on Amazon (compared to clear cling wrap of the same quantity at about $3 per roll).

 

I'm seeing rolls of red cellophane that are reasonably priced, but it seems like this might be challenging to attach compared to cling wrap, especially for things like the small accent lights on the side view mirrors of my car, and accent lights inside the interior and exterior door handles/arm rests. I'm not a cling wrap/cellophane expert, but it seems that cellophane is more rigid and has no method of adhesion, so I guess I'd just have to tape it down.

 

I'm of course going to try to disable all the car lights that I can, but just looking for options in case I find something I can't turn off. 

[reddog1972]

If you can't disable your car lights then please remove everything from your car that you'll need prior to dusk, otherwise you'll be lighting up a very dark field all night. 

Don't keep your car keys in your pants pocket (you'd be surprised how many times key fobs have been pressed accidentally).

Red gaffer tape can mitigate things on your car with respect to small accent lights.

Please test and re-test at night prior to arriving. 

Everything is noticeably brighter on the field than it is at home. 

[astrohamp]

Matt:  For vehicle lights just tape them all with light block out tape.  Some use many layers of blue painter's tape.

 

I have been using #2423 discussed in this thread for years 0n screens cut to size for older laptop and transferable light shields.

[impreza276]

I changed strategy on taping vehicle lights this year after fighting with too many of them. Simply remove any and all reason to open your car at night, and keep your keys away from it. That way you don't have to do anything to your car. Something left in the car? Tough luck, wait until morning.