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#1 Chen Sir

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Posted 17 March 2024 - 04:15 AM

I have only read to more of 30 pages of a book with hardcover.

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Can you guess out which is the book? 

I wonder if it is just me. 


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Posted 17 March 2024 - 04:36 AM

It makes you think about the books that are hundreds of years old and they have not fallen to pieces-  did you order a book where you wanted the pages to fall out?- send it back & get a refund then check if there is a hard back version that is bound correctly.


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Posted 18 March 2024 - 12:54 PM

Most paperbacks will break if you try to get them to lie flat.  It looks like you have a book stand - and I'd think that would help, but hardbacks can usually withstand a little more use.



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Posted 18 March 2024 - 08:16 PM

the quality of the binding was most strained.

 

 

I blame secondary school for the number of times lame puns based on shakespeare quotes pop up into my head when I read things


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Posted 18 March 2024 - 08:23 PM

It makes you think about the books that are hundreds of years old and they have not fallen to pieces-  did you order a book where you wanted the pages to fall out?- send it back & get a refund then check if there is a hard back version that is bound correctly.

well, often they were well stitched parchment or vellum and not simply paper.

 

Best bet is to use clay tablets and a stylus and let 'em end up buried in an arid desert (not necessarily tautological those).

 

Meanwhile old but less old books can be well and truly foxed until they figured out how to make acid free paper.

 

As print on demand comes in more and more and possibly included in reprintings more frequently this will happen, but in that case the cost is pretty much a rip off.

 

I know someone who used to get reprints from India on science topics, out of copyright stuff for folk who are into old science works, which were well printed and paperback and a lot cheaper than the hyped prices for the originals.  However such books were often thick and if not stitched will come apart.

 

I haven't seen anything as bad as you've got since my old Hamlyn book of Chemistry back in the Seventies.  Not sure if 50p then is quite equal to 80 euros now, but you never know.



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Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:18 PM

I have no idea which book it is, but I would like to know so I can avoid it. That’s terrible.

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Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:39 PM

I have no idea which book it is, but I would like to know so I can avoid it. That’s terrible.

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This is the book. While hardcover, coated papers, but extremely heavy, it is not a convenient or portable at all.

 

And the papers that reflecting light often make your eyes tired for some time reading.



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Posted 18 March 2024 - 10:10 PM

Didn't catch it was that book. I'd have to agree the paper was not the best choice for that book... I'm sure it significantly raised the price too.

I managed to get through the whole thing without having pages fall out, but I needed the book rack and the spine has a 30 degree tilt now.

Great book though.
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Posted 18 March 2024 - 10:59 PM

Didn't catch it was that book. I'd have to agree the paper was not the best choice for that book... I'm sure it significantly raised the price too.

I managed to get through the whole thing without having pages fall out, but I needed the book rack and the spine has a 30 degree tilt now.

Great book though.

 

Definitely a great book but I'm thinking that the glossy paper was too heavy for the binding and undoubtedly raised the price.

 

I usually go for the hardcover version of books because paperback books usually can't be opened flat without damaging the spine.


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Posted 18 March 2024 - 11:04 PM

I think Chen Sir was trying to get this hardback book to lie flat - but it won't do that without damage - and here is the proof.

 

I had to use a book rack and used the little spring arms to hold it open - nowhere near flat.


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Posted 19 March 2024 - 02:22 AM

I think Chen Sir was trying to get this hardback book to lie flat - but it won't do that without damage - and here is the proof.

 

I had to use a book rack and used the little spring arms to hold it open - nowhere near flat.

Like you, I'm a bibliophile and very careful to my books.

 

In fact, I realized I can't get this hardback book to lie flat without any damage when I first to open this book.

 

I did my best not to turn over left pages to a big angle. But I can't do this perfectly. If the angle is not big enough, the left page will fall back. And reflecting-light-papers causes I have to adjust a suitable degree of the opening and closing of this book to see words clearly.

 

As you said, the content is great, but the book itself is not good.


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Posted 19 March 2024 - 08:20 AM

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This is the book. While hardcover, coated papers, but extremely heavy, it is not a convenient or portable at all.

 

And the papers that reflecting light often make your eyes tired for some time reading.

In hindsight, this superb book probably should have been designed as a two, or much better, perhaps three volume set in a slip case... this would have reduced the weight of each individual volume to about 1.2 kg each and made each book much easier to manage. This would have increased the cost of an already fairly expensive book, but would probably have been worth it. One option for Chen Sir is to perhaps take the book to a local bookbinder and have it rebound as a single volume... or perhaps try to have it redone as a three volume set. I have ordered two copies of this book and both miraculously arrived from overseas in perfect shape. I spent two months reading the book cover to cover (sitting on a couch, no book stand) and had no problem with pages coming loose or falling out. I passed my first copy along to a friend of mine as a gift, then ordered the second copy. It is one of my most precious books... I take care of it the best I can.


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Posted 20 March 2024 - 11:06 AM

It's printed as "book on demand", right? It appears so when I search for the publisher. I've bought a few print-on-demand books in the past, but all were paperbacks (and of regular size) and done by Amazon, not by BOD.



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Posted 20 March 2024 - 11:35 AM

I must admit I read it the whole way through (hardback edition) and saw no issues with the pages coming out. I suspect that the cost would have gone up considerably if it had been printed in a three volume edition and people would not have been happy with that.



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Posted 20 March 2024 - 02:22 PM

I've only read about a third of the book, but have thumbed through most of it, and haven't had any problems with the binding myself.  I agree that a multi-volume version would have been even more expensive.  Still, the paper is dense and heavy so I can sure see how the pages could come out.  Probably would have been better if lighter paper, similar to that in Willmann-Bell books, had been used.



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Posted 21 March 2024 - 07:00 AM

It makes you think about the books that are hundreds of years old and they have not fallen to pieces-  did you order a book where you wanted the pages to fall out?- send it back & get a refund then check if there is a hard back version that is bound correctly.

 

Yes. Return it. That's the only way the printer/seller will know it is unacceptable.

 

I feel your frustration, Chen Sir, but venting here changes nothing.



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Posted 22 March 2024 - 04:33 AM

Yes. Return it. That's the only way the printer/seller will know it is unacceptable.

 

I feel your frustration, Chen Sir, but venting here changes nothing.

I'm in China while the book was sent from Germany.

It will take unknown time and high shipping cost to return the item.

So, just bear it.



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Posted 22 March 2024 - 03:11 PM

I am shocked. I had seriously considered purchasing that. Have it rebound. Take it to the book binders and have it rebound and SEWN. I have had to do that several times lately with modern poorly bound books. Many publishers have abandoned good bindings (probably to cut costs) and books often fall apart now as soon as you try to use them. QC is a lost art. 



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Posted 26 March 2024 - 09:02 AM

I am shocked. I had seriously considered purchasing that. Have it rebound. Take it to the book binders and have it rebound and SEWN. I have had to do that several times lately with modern poorly bound books. Many publishers have abandoned good bindings (probably to cut costs) and books often fall apart now as soon as you try to use them. QC is a lost art. 

A book that has glue binding cannot be sewn. It has single sheets of paper, but thread stitching requires folded layers of paper. A good bookbinder could roughen the spine of the block, reglue it and reinforce the binding with a layer of canvas. But if the paper is too stiff, then glue binding will always be prone to breaking...

 

Peter


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Posted 27 March 2024 - 05:16 AM

adding to my previous post...

 

A glue binding done manually by a bookbinder is on another quality level as a cheap industrial hot glue binding. For a good glue binding, it is crucial that the spine is roughened properly, so that the glue has something to adhere to. In the image shown in the original post, the sheets seem to be completely smooth on back edge, so they haven't been roughened. If the paper is glossy, it will make it even more difficult for the glue to bond. A good bookbinder will be able to fix this, but it will probably cost you as much as you originally payed for the book. If you're confident in your manual skills, you could do it yourself. I'd probably practise by making a simple notebook from blank pages first...

 

I'm not a bookbinder, but 25 years ago, I did an internship with a bookbinder who was specialised in book restauration, and I've probably restored two dozen books myself... it really hurts to see crappy workmanship...

 

Peter


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