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#1 eportis

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Posted 25 March 2024 - 02:27 PM

I have been using an Unistellar Equinox for EAA for almost three years and recently acquired a Seestar, hoping the two scopes would complement each other. For my third trip to Chile I decided to take the Seestar, primarily because it is a much more manageable travel scope. I really didn't know what to expect because before leaving I had the opportunity to use it only once, under extremely light polluted skies.

 

My take on EAA is that it is a visual experience. I observe the object in real time for as long as I can discern increasing development. After observing I process the images in order to tease out further detail, guided by the work of astrophotographers either printed or posted on the web.

 

Because the target list for the third trip was formulated with the Equinox in mind there is no overlap with the lists from the previous two trips. As a result all of the images from the Seestar are from ideal skies while any images of the same objects from the Equinox are from skies that vary but usually were significantly less than ideal.

 

Nonetheless, I have some conclusions. The Seestar is better at nebulae, perhaps because the built in filter does its job. The Seestar is also better with open clusters, largely because stars become quickly bloated with the Equinox. With galaxies I am not so sure. I suspect the larger aperture of the Equinox would give it an advantage in a head to head contest, but I was not dissatisfied with the results produced by the Seestar in the ideal conditions.

 

Yet there is one serious disadvantage with the Seestar. In the absence of wind the Equinox rarely misses a frame when stacking whereas the Seestar is plagued with missed frames. This is no doubt frustrating for astrophotographers, but for EAA it is almost a fatal flaw. Minutes can go by with little or no development.


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Posted 25 March 2024 - 06:33 PM

Thanks for the nice summary. Any images from your trip that you may want to share? 



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Posted 25 March 2024 - 06:59 PM

I have been using an Unistellar Equinox for EAA for almost three years and recently acquired a Seestar, hoping the two scopes would complement each other. For my third trip to Chile I decided to take the Seestar, primarily because it is a much more manageable travel scope. I really didn't know what to expect because before leaving I had the opportunity to use it only once, under extremely light polluted skies.

 

My take on EAA is that it is a visual experience. I observe the object in real time for as long as I can discern increasing development. After observing I process the images in order to tease out further detail, guided by the work of astrophotographers either printed or posted on the web.

 

Because the target list for the third trip was formulated with the Equinox in mind there is no overlap with the lists from the previous two trips. As a result all of the images from the Seestar are from ideal skies while any images of the same objects from the Equinox are from skies that vary but usually were significantly less than ideal.

 

Nonetheless, I have some conclusions. The Seestar is better at nebulae, perhaps because the built in filter does its job. The Seestar is also better with open clusters, largely because stars become quickly bloated with the Equinox. With galaxies I am not so sure. I suspect the larger aperture of the Equinox would give it an advantage in a head to head contest, but I was not dissatisfied with the results produced by the Seestar in the ideal conditions.

 

Yet there is one serious disadvantage with the Seestar. In the absence of wind the Equinox rarely misses a frame when stacking whereas the Seestar is plagued with missed frames. This is no doubt frustrating for astrophotographers, but for EAA it is almost a fatal flaw. Minutes can go by with little or no development.

Missed frames seems to plague some owners and not others.  It's not such a large issue and seems to have reduced with each iterative release of firmware updates.  Were you running the current firmwares or older? 

Also, have you considered how you mounted the S50 vs the Equinox as possible cause?   Were you using the S50 on the supplied tripod or on a tall tripod like the Equinox?  Were there differences in the seeing, number of people around the area where the telescopes were used, etc?  

 



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Posted 25 March 2024 - 08:09 PM

Firmware was up to date. Supplied tripod, well leveled. The seeing in this part of Chile is excellent and I was almost alone.



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 08:40 PM

From my experience so far, the Seestar mostly discards frames from star trails due to field rotation. The other cause is artificial light trails like satellites or airplanes. After 20-30 minutes of exposure time, there is little improvement in image quality. Very often, 90% of the image quality is had in the first 10 minutes. You can only do so much with a tiny camera sensor even if it is attached to a 50mm triplet apo refractor borg.gif


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Posted 27 March 2024 - 10:05 PM

From my experience so far, the Seestar mostly discards frames from star trails due to field rotation. The other cause is artificial light trails like satellites or airplanes. After 20-30 minutes of exposure time, there is little improvement in image quality. Very often, 90% of the image quality is had in the first 10 minutes. You can only do so much with a tiny camera sensor even if it is attached to a 50mm triplet apo refractor borg.gif

This was my suspicion--glad to hear it confirmed. Honestly, given how "targets" like the Horsehead Nebula and many galaxies are invisible here due to LP, I'm very happy with what it can show waytogo.gif


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Posted 27 March 2024 - 10:35 PM

The final result can be improved quite a bit from the original image though. Running the data through Photo Shop Express made for a much more dramatic M31 than what Seestar's processing gave me. Very easy and free too!  borg.gif

 

rsz_psx_20240131_101309.jpg .

 

note: Original exposure time of only 4 minutes.


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Posted 28 March 2024 - 09:46 PM

The final result can be improved quite a bit from the original image though. Running the data through Photo Shop Express made for a much more dramatic M31 than what Seestar's processing gave me. Very easy and free too!  borg.gif

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Very nice result for such a shirt time.  So what does it mean to “run the data though Photoshop Express”?  What did you do to it?




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