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#26 AGrayson

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Posted 20 April 2024 - 11:58 AM

That's still absolutely amazing Psion! Yeah unfortunately it's quite low to the horizon at this time of year, but come summer, generally, they're dead overhead which is good. Still that looks absolutely amazing and really shows your processing skill! Thank you so much.

I'd love to go to a bortle 1 sky with this scope. I do live 30 or 40 minutes away from a bortle 2, so I might go in the summer to give it a try.


Wow, at that distance from a dark sky I'd go every clear night. My closest bortle 2 is a 5 hour drive away :)
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Posted 20 April 2024 - 02:02 PM

I think stacking Tiffs from individual nights would also work.



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Posted 20 April 2024 - 02:28 PM

Might be worth a go then i think... Saying that, with the Vespera limited space, it could get a bit monotonous with the continuous FTP'ing and huge file transfers. Still hopefully worth it! Also Psion, would my images be a bit better, nebula wise, when my new CLS filter gets here? These are all taken without the filter in place at the moment.

 

 

Wow, at that distance from a dark sky I'd go every clear night. My closest bortle 2 is a 5 hour drive away smile.gif

I've just looked at a Bortle Light Map, and it's actually a Bortle 3 site, but still, i've driven down the road many times through the area on the way to see family, and on a dark night, the milky way is literally horizon to horizon clear as you can imagine. Amazing place to be and not a single light to be seen (It's an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty in the UK)



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Posted 29 April 2024 - 10:36 AM

Might be worth a go then i think... Saying that, with the Vespera limited space, it could get a bit monotonous with the continuous FTP'ing and huge file transfers. Still hopefully worth it! Also Psion, would my images be a bit better, nebula wise, when my new CLS filter gets here? These are all taken without the filter in place at the moment.

 

 

I've just looked at a Bortle Light Map, and it's actually a Bortle 3 site, but still, i've driven down the road many times through the area on the way to see family, and on a dark night, the milky way is literally horizon to horizon clear as you can imagine. Amazing place to be and not a single light to be seen (It's an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty in the UK)

Thank you for posting your images. I'm going to give them a try on Siril, LR ++. These provide a good idea of what's possible. I'm thinking of stepping up from the Dwarf , which I've enjoyed for about a year now. The Vespera II looks like a sweet spot for these Smart scopes. The only thing I see so far that's concerning is the storage and transfer capabilities. For, say, a 2 hour session, how much storage is used by the raw tiffs? Also, how long does it take to transfer, say, an hour of such files? thank so much. 



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Posted 01 May 2024 - 03:21 PM

Well, just a picture of my 1st star with the Vespera II
 

Zubenelhakrabi....γ Librae, a giant star in the constellation of Libra!!!

 

by the way......actually this is the 1st time I heard about it.....!!!!

 

Zubenelhakrabi Pr

 


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Posted 02 May 2024 - 05:02 AM

Thank you for posting your images. I'm going to give them a try on Siril, LR ++. These provide a good idea of what's possible. I'm thinking of stepping up from the Dwarf , which I've enjoyed for about a year now. The Vespera II looks like a sweet spot for these Smart scopes. The only thing I see so far that's concerning is the storage and transfer capabilities. For, say, a 2 hour session, how much storage is used by the raw tiffs? Also, how long does it take to transfer, say, an hour of such files? thank so much. 

I used to save raw individual FIT files, but i found that it was burning through my storage very quickly. 209 FIT files was taking up around 3.3GB on the Vespera, which might not seem a lot, but when you're doing several targets, it soon adds up, and the transferring isn't fun either. My one gripe with the vespera is that you have to transfer files via wifi. Not sure why Vaonis couldn't give us access to the internal drive via USB which would have made transferring a whole lot quicker! Plus it's the fact you have to FTP transfer them too, if you're not computer savvy, it can be a bit of a headache!

 

 

 

Well, just a picture of my 1st star with the Vespera II
 

Zubenelhakrabi....γ Librae, a giant star in the constellation of Libra!!!

 

by the way......actually this is the 1st time I heard about it.....!!!!

 

 

 

 

Great picture! The first of many i hope! 

 

I've found that the vespera can take some amazing pictures and the covalENS mosaic is brilliant too! I've had some lovely pictures which have been posted here and very very kindly processed by Psion which shows whats possible, even from my bortle 7 back garden! Plus most of these images were shot on evenings where, even though it was clear, it wasn't amazing viewing conditions and there was some very very high, light clouds which crept in.


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Posted 10 May 2024 - 08:37 PM

So we had a clear (and extremely beautiful night) here  in the UK so i managed to get out and get a few pictures with my Vespera II and even some of the northern lights with my phone which put on an absolutely stunning show here. It was the first time i've ever seen them too... literally the most amazing thing i've seen, even if they did kinda invade on my images! It was worth it!

 

One thing i'm confused on, even though the sky conditions were great tonight, my V2 seems to be introducting a lot more noise it seems, and i'm not sure why that would be as all i've done is updated to v2.25 (is it?) and i enabled expert mode but haven't used it so i don't think it affects anything. Still, i'm confused as to why my images appear to be so so much noisier than before! Maybe someone has an answer?

 

So tonight, and last night too for a short while, i got IC1795, M99, M13, M53 and M66. Split over two posts as per image max sizes and TIFS included too, but if anyone has any idea as to why they're noisier, i'd be very appreciative of the answer!

 

M13 (v2) TIF - https://1drv.ms/f/s!...w7v6Qw?e=QFEMoh

M66 TIF - https://1drv.ms/i/s!...F61Mow?e=uVGB4G

M53 TIF - https://1drv.ms/i/s!...t__aEw?e=RVXNdY

M99 TIF - https://1drv.ms/i/s!...jJxppA?e=22z1oW

 

IC1795 was too big of an image to upload on this post so i'll upload following this

 

 

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Posted 10 May 2024 - 08:39 PM

Looks like M99 turned out horrible with the image compression so i imagine this one will too, but here goes

 

IC1795 TIF - https://1drv.ms/i/s!...gfLfNg?e=E9wG7l

 

 

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#34 Brownie2k

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 05:19 AM

Is there anywhere i can upload pictures too on here where i can upload full size jpg's rather than the resized lower quality ones? Not sure how it's done but everytime i resize the bigger images, they turn out horrible!

 

Also how can i get rid of the white gradient noise from the bigger images, i'd love to see what information is in my M99 image without all the noise etc



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Posted 14 May 2024 - 06:17 AM

Is there anywhere i can upload pictures too on here where i can upload full size jpg's rather than the resized lower quality ones? Not sure how it's done but everytime i resize the bigger images, they turn out horrible!

Also how can i get rid of the white gradient noise from the bigger images, i'd love to see what information is in my M99 image without all the noise etc


Can't help you with noise, but there is a limit to publishable file size at 500kb. Any image above that size has to be resized to be posted.

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 06:41 AM

So we had a clear (and extremely beautiful night) here  in the UK so i managed to get out and get a few pictures with my Vespera II and even some of the northern lights with my phone which put on an absolutely stunning show here. It was the first time i've ever seen them too... literally the most amazing thing i've seen, even if they did kinda invade on my images! It was worth it!

I have the same problem. The cause is the Sun's activity and the aurora borealis, which are invisible to the eye but affect the photo. These days, there is a lot of noise in the images due to this phenomenon and the Sun's activity. My photos are completely unusable on some days. Friday and Saturday are terrible, Sunday is okay, and Monday is terrible.



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Posted 14 May 2024 - 06:51 AM

I have the same problem. The cause is the Sun's activity and the aurora borealis, which are invisible to the eye but affect the photo. These days, there is a lot of noise in the images due to this phenomenon and the Sun's activity. My photos are completely unusable on some days. Friday and Saturday are terrible, Sunday is okay, and Monday is terrible.

That makes sense! The noise on a lot of the images looked quite colourful, but i didn't see any aurora visible to the naked eye when i was imaging. I didn't know it could be invisible. Hopefully future pictures will look a look better. 

 

Psion, is there any reason why when doing a mosaic, i get a lot of white noise looking interference even though there is no light present which could be affecting it? Is that airglow?



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Posted 14 May 2024 - 07:17 AM

This noise affects the mosaic a lot; it's spotty. The high cloud cover that occasionally passes over the object also greatly affects it.



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Posted 14 May 2024 - 07:24 AM

I'm guessing in that case the only thing to do is make several passes to replace the affected images? I've noticed in my M99 image, there seems to be lots of straight lines goind around the image, almost like a square if that makes sense. I had to stop in the end due to the aurora which was severely affecting it, so i didn't even manage to get one full pass.



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Posted 14 May 2024 - 08:08 AM

I'd scrap such damaged images altogether.



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Posted 15 May 2024 - 07:25 AM

I think at the moment i'm just excited to get any images that i can. Not fully knowing how to process and the sorts, it's nice just seeing what i can get. I'm sure as i get better, i'll learn what to keep and what to bin. I'm just trying to get the most out of what i've got whilst the clear nights come (which is rarely atm)



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Posted 16 May 2024 - 01:59 AM

The nice thing about amateur astronomy is that there is a lot of room to grow into the hobby with getting better and better images. Even with using the same equipment, the sky conditions and how long you integrate play a huge role. By all means, enjoy your scope from home on less than ideal nights. As you want better and better images, you can start to be more finicky on when and where you image. Of course the best images will be from driving to a darker site with no moon up on a clear night with good seeing, low wind, and no aurora, or high altitude clouds where you pick a target and stay on it for as long as you can (but not too low in altitude).
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