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#1 Terra Nova

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Posted 22 April 2024 - 11:34 AM

It’t been a while since we’ve visited this topic so I thought it might be time for a reboot. Quite a lot has happened to me and my collection since I started a thread on this topic several years ago. As many of you know, a little over a year ago, I sold my house in Cincinnati and bought a condo in Louisville to be near my family. Something that becomes increasingly important to many of us as we age is being near one’s family. We often also often find that we want to lighten the load so to speak and have less responsibility for taking care of a large place. In my move, I accomplished all these goals. My living has also become much easier and more convenient with my move. I went from a 2300 sq. ft. house with three floors of living space, to a 1450 sq.ft. condo, all on one floor. And no longer do I have a lawn and garden to take care of, (which I do miss in Spring). I also gave up a big deck, a large front porch, a patio, and other places where I enjoyed using my telescopes, in favor of a 5’x12’ balcony and a large rooftop patio. So my viewing at home has become more restricted in some ways. But I gained a heated in-ground pool and a heated, secure garage, two things I didn’t have before. Another gain is that I joined a club with it’s own dark site and observatory, and a much more active schedule with regard to outreaches and star parties. Needless to say, I’m now doing more viewing offsite, and less viewing onsite. I also gave up my basement workshop which effectively put an end to telescope restoration projects.
 
So like life in general, it’s all about tradeoffs. There have also been tradeoffs in my equipment. Down to the nitty-gritty, my classics collection has become much smaller, now I’m down to five classic telescopes and five classic binoculars, which is to say, about equally half of my current stable of instruments. Many of my classic telescopes were sold in order to accomplish this. I’ve gone to a style of observing that I call guerrilla astronomizing, which like guerrilla warfare relies on hit and run tactics, and more limited skirmishes (only with the sky of course). And these guerrilla tactics, like those used in warfare, rely on much lighter, more easily carried equipment. I now have no telescopes with an aperture of 4”, no telescopes with a focal length exceeding 700mm, (with the exception of my Questar), and no OTAs with a weight exceeding eight and a half pounds (4 Kg.). I also no longer have any German Equatorial Mounts. For me, it’s now alt-az all the way, (again, with the exception of the Questar on it’s equatorial for mount and R.A. Drive). I’m also doing a lot more binocular astronomy. To facilitate all of this, I’ve not only gotten rid of a lot of old telescopes, I have also acquired some new instruments, better suited to the task.
 
So my classic collection of telescopes is now down to what I consider a permanent collection of these five:

  • 102mm: Vixen ED102SS, F6.5 (~2000),
  • 89mm: Questar 3.5 Standard, F14.4 (1969),
  • 76mm: Takahashi FC-76 F8 (1997),
  • 70mm: TeleVue Pronto, F 6.8 (~1997),
  • 60mm: Mayflower/APL Model 814 OTA, F12 (1965).

So what’s in your classic collection, and are you upsizing or downsizing?


Edited by Terra Nova, 22 April 2024 - 11:36 AM.

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Posted 22 April 2024 - 12:12 PM

Right now I'm planning on doing some downsizing.  I have a couple of Swift scopes (838 and 839), a couple of Unitrons and a 10TE, I want to let go.  It's nice to have them, and I like them all, but some don't get used.  They deserve better.

I'm not planning on looking for more, but the last time I said that I picked up a 6" Dynascope, and an 8" Meade 826.

 

I still have a few projects to finish and start, like my 8" Gregorian, the 826, a Tower 6335, and an old 1956 Unitron 128.  The last three will need lots of work.  The Gregorian needs the primary, that I had Mike Lockwood touch up, put back into the scope.

 

I still have my favorites that I do use often and for outreach events.  Last week I even got the 5" Apogee to an event.  I forget how good it is.


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Posted 22 April 2024 - 12:29 PM

 

So what’s in your classic collection, and are you upsizing or downsizing?

 

Terra:

 

Technically, I am upsizing my classic collection. This year, my 13.1 inch Starsplitter reached the ripe old age of 25 and so technically became a classic.  My 16 inch that started out life as a Meade Starfinder is over 25 years old and my 12.5 inch Dob is also over 25 years old.  In three years, the 10 inch GSO will be 25 years old and in 4 years the 22 inch will be 25 years old.  

 

But I do not consider Dobsonians as true classics, this year marks my 20th as a member of Cloudy Nights and I tend to think of classics as scopes that were classics when I joined.. Initially I struggled with the idea that an Orange Tube Celestron SCT was a classic but I eventually came to accept them but even though I am a Dob guy, they just don't seem like classics. 

 

So that leaves me with the same two classic scopes. The 30 x 40mm Erbco, 1956 vintage.  And the 60mm x 800mm Asahi-Pentax that I purchased from Chuck Hards but still remains in his basement in Salt Lake City.. 

 

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Posted 22 April 2024 - 12:40 PM

I don't have much space and so I've been in more or less "no more big scopes" mode for a while. But I seem to have as many projects as before! Enough new stuff trickles in that I manage to free up room for a new project. Usually this means a friend has got something either free or for a small price. I would really miss not being able to use my hands to do fine work. So far my hands and vision are as good as ever. That's the determinant for me personally.

 

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Posted 22 April 2024 - 12:41 PM

Sold the Meade 178ED and the guy that bought it loves it.   It was a good performer worthy of praise. 


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Posted 22 April 2024 - 02:31 PM

I’ve been downsizing since 2016, and have finally come to a smooth landing with just my Questar and my Mayflower 816 (in storage) left as my classics, and the SV48P as a G&G utility scope. The Q and SV48P are now mounted on tripods to keep things simple and lightweight. With the FL heat, biting bugs, and my bright skies, the guerrilla hit and run tactics suit me perfectly. 


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Posted 22 April 2024 - 06:07 PM

Sold the Meade 178ED and the guy that bought it loves it.   It was a good performer worthy of praise. 

I would have given ya 5K for it if the lens stays on center.    I am always down sizing and  up sizing from week to week. When stuff pops up local i jump like i did on Sunday. I am not gonna stop until death and looking at my records after all these years it seems i had around 430 scopes and plan to add another 400 one way or another. I still want a shot at a Meade 7" ED and a fork mounted C14 if there really is any good 1's out there and will pay well over normal price if it proves to be freaky sharp.


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 08:10 AM

I would have given ya 5K for it if the lens stays on center.    I am always down sizing and  up sizing from week to week. When stuff pops up local i jump like i did on Sunday. I am not gonna stop until death and looking at my records after all these years it seems i had around 430 scopes and plan to add another 400 one way or another. I still want a shot at a Meade 7" ED and a fork mounted C14 if there really is any good 1's out there and will pay well over normal price if it proves to be freaky sharp.

well, I just told you of one good Meade 178ED.  



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Posted 23 April 2024 - 09:10 AM

well, I just told you of one good Meade 178ED.  

But would it be good after it was shipped? Seems shipping knocked them out of center.



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Posted 23 April 2024 - 09:38 AM

It's tough to downsize the classics, I have a kinship kind of with mine. I just sold a C11 edge, but have a hard time when it comes to the classics. I Look at my C8 triColor, and come up with a million reasons not to sell, same with my beautiful C102F, and even my little TV ranger...too many good memories to let go. And I havent even mentioned my little 60mm and 76mm Refractors from Tasco, Sears, Monolux etc.

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Posted 23 April 2024 - 09:47 AM

OK I'm a collector. I don't consider myself a collector, my telescopes get used.

The ones that don't get used I'm starting to sell only to make room for something new.

 

They will say,

"He must have been a Amateur Astronomer by the looks of all this."

 

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Posted 23 April 2024 - 10:59 AM

But would it be good after it was shipped? Seems shipping knocked them out of center.

it was shipped to me from the other side of the country and it amazed me with the views right out of the box.  this was one of Meade's good ones.  



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Posted 23 April 2024 - 11:12 AM

it was shipped to me from the other side of the country and it amazed me with the views right out of the box.  this was one of Meade's good ones.  

Yours may have had the updated cell.Mine was never fixed then destroyed by a user.



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Posted 23 April 2024 - 11:37 AM

Been a lot of buying and selling, but the size of the collection is pretty stable at three scopes. Two out of three are classics or near classics (Meade 310 / Mizar, Celestron / Vixen 80 mm travel-sized scope), none of them have been mine for more than a year and a half. 


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 12:59 PM

Well, I downsized, I only had an SPC8 as my only classic, and I let that go.  But I still have several classic mounts:

 

2xSP

1xGP

1xSPDX

1xCarton RSM2000

 

I really like classic mounts. 


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 01:06 PM

Vixen refractor 90x1000
Unitron 150
Meade black and blue ota 8in.

C-8 is going to my youngest son Thursday.
C6-R is for sale.


I am probably done unless I find a Celestron 9.25 I like.
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Posted 23 April 2024 - 02:43 PM

No downsizing for me, at least not yet. I spent years building a supply of retirement projects while I still had income, and now that I am semi-retired I am slowly making that turn towards putting plans into action. Step #1 is inventorying what I've got, and then prioritizing a few projects. On my short short list is assembling a Jaegers 6" f/15, and it only gets better from there!

Enjoy!
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Posted 23 April 2024 - 02:46 PM

you got to let go sometime.   gramps.gif


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 02:48 PM

Yours may have had the updated cell.Mine was never fixed then destroyed by a user.

I am just a lucky guy.   It did have the updated cell.    Views were beautiful.   I let it go cheap to a deserving guy. 


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 02:52 PM

I'm trying to decrease the quantity but the size of my scopes keeps increasing so my garage is still filling up.


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 03:16 PM

If you have an increasing number of scopes of continually decreasing size, would that count as upsizing or downsizing?

It's sort of like an asymptotic curve towards a local minimum (around 60mm?).  


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 03:26 PM

If you have an increasing number of scopes of continually decreasing size, would that count as upsizing or downsizing?

It's sort of like an asymptotic curve towards a local minimum (around 60mm?).  

Both? Yeah, I used to collect 60 and 80mm refractors, now I've got 10" and 12" refractors. They take up like infinity more room. I could fit 20 80mm scopes inside the OTA of the 12" f/15.6.


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 04:16 PM

Both? Yeah, I used to collect 60 and 80mm refractors, now I've got 10" and 12" refractors. They take up like infinity more room. I could fit 20 80mm scopes inside the OTA of the 12" f/15.6.

10" and 12" refractors!?  My goodness, I can't imagine.  That scope in your profile photo on the pedestal mount sure is a looker.

I guess that thing about mass being proportional to the third power of aperture gets to be pretty noticeable when you get up to that size.   I hope your house has strong floors.


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Posted 23 April 2024 - 04:39 PM

10" and 12" refractors!?  My goodness, I can't imagine.  That scope in your profile photo on the pedestal mount sure is a looker.

I guess that thing about mass being proportional to the third power of aperture gets to be pretty noticeable when you get up to that size.   I hope your house has strong floors.

It's already bad going from an 8" to a 10" scope - twice as much to handle and mount. In fact long ago I decided - even when I was young and strong including my back - that 10" was all I ever wanted to deal with on my own.

 

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Posted 23 April 2024 - 07:02 PM

My collection is basically what you see in my signature list. My biggest scope in terms of overall size and mount weight is the Criterion RV6 now 30 years with me. Two of the Sears refractors have been with me since I was a kid with the most recent being the 6336. This model completed my 1964-65 Sears Astronomical telescopes group and it will always be my permanent collection. It comprises four telescopes and it was something I wanted to do. The rest of the collection is an eclectic group. I am not actively pursuing an increase in my collection right now. Shipping classics these days is an expensive proposition except in the case of small scopes. So, in terms of downsizing or upsizing, I'm at steady state right now (I hope wink.gif ).


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