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Blaze Star (T Coronae Borealis) Starting to Blow?

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#1 Rustler46

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Posted 04 August 2024 - 08:28 PM

I received this email today from AAVSO's alert service:

 

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For weeks the visual estimates have been right around 10.1 to 10.4 magnitude. Today's alert is the first I've seen where the brightness estimates have been in the high 9th magnitude range. Of particular note is Stephen O'Meara's (OME) 9.7 magnitude estimate. On July 27th he reported 10.4 magnitude. Now about a week later T Coronae Borealis 0.7 magnitude brighter. Stephen is certainly an experienced observer, well-known in amateur astronomy circles.

 

Keep watching this one!

 

Clear Skies,

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Edited by Rustler46, 04 August 2024 - 08:30 PM.

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Posted 04 August 2024 - 08:59 PM

by "blow" do you mean brighten, or explode?


Edited by John Berger, 04 August 2024 - 09:00 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2024 - 09:31 PM

by "blow" do you mean brighten, or explode?

Yes, that's what I mean. T Coronae Borealis, the "Blaze Star", is a recurrent nova. The Wikipedia page for this star says:

T Coronae Borealis (T CrB), nicknamed the Blaze Star, is a binary star in the constellation Corona Borealis, known for its recurrent novas. It was first discovered in outburst in 1866 by John Birmingham, though it had been observed earlier as a 10th magnitude star. It may have been observed in 1217 and in 1787 as well. It is expected to undergo an outburst again very soon; likely during August 2024.

 

I hope a lot of us here on Cloudy Nights can see this one when it erupts. I am reminded of Nova Cygni 1975, which was seen by many of us as a 2nd magnitude "extra star" in Cygnus in late August of that year.

 

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Russ


Edited by Rustler46, 04 August 2024 - 09:40 PM.

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Posted 04 August 2024 - 10:33 PM

I received this email today from AAVSO's alert service:

 

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For weeks the visual estimates have been right around 10.1 to 10.4 magnitude. Today's alert is the first I've seen where the brightness estimates have been in the high 9th magnitude range. Of particular note is Stephen O'Meara's (OME) 9.7 magnitude estimate. On July 27th he reported 10.4 magnitude. Now about a week later T Coronae Borealis 0.7 magnitude brighter. Stephen is certainly an experienced observer, well-known in amateur astronomy circles.

 

Keep watching this one!

 

Clear Skies,

Russ

Well, Russ, you did it. You finally did it. My mentioning O'Meara's estimate, you spurred me to go out and make my first estimate and submit it to the AAVSO. Gosh darn, I look at the area every clear night around 9:30pm, but this is the first time I printed out a chart and gave it a good go.

 

Seems it has dimmed back since it was only +10.3 when I looked at it 15 minutes ago.

 

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Posted 04 August 2024 - 11:46 PM

I have been doing observations of it and haven't noticed any substantial brightening.  I have thin cloud tonight which is supposed to thicken, so I can't do a measurement.   AAVSO's V band measurements have increased maybe 0.1 magnitude (brighter) over the past week.   It is going to have get a whole lot brighter before there is an indication of an actual nova.  It is just hitting another of its cyclic peaks from what I see, although any one of these could be "the straw that broke the camel's back."

 

The system has some brightening when it is accreting mass at a higher than normal rate.  That is what the long active state was about that preceded the dip..  From what I gathered in the literature, the mass accumulation rates during these events are several times normal.  There is some critical mass required for a thick enough layer on the white dwarf to kick off the thermonuclear runaway (hydrogen shell flash.)  When it reaches that point the rise in nova is very rapid, as is the decline.  I doubt we will get much warning.

 

If anything it looks like it is going into wider range peak to valley; this is the 4th or 5th cycle which began with the dip.  It looks like the overall accretion rate might be somewhat lower than the more active state in the years before the dip (back to ~2016).  But that is just looking at visual band, so it might not be a good proxy for mass accretion since it can be attenuated various ways.

 

FWIW:  Not that it matters for the trend, since it is the set value used for comparison and will end up baked in to the averages, but the 9.8 mag star may or may not be 9.8 mag.  AAVSO's field photometry lists seems to show it as 10.061 V--but the list contains mixed sources and I don't see any actual APASS values for it.  Visually it looks closer to 10 to me when I compare to other stars measured in the field.  


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Posted 05 August 2024 - 12:16 AM

According to your research, how long will the brightest part of the outburst last? Just several days? I don't want to miss it. The last outburst in 1946 happened the month before I was born.

 

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Posted 05 August 2024 - 12:26 AM

Well, Russ, you did it. You finally did it. My mentioning O'Meara's estimate, you spurred me to go out and make my first estimate and submit it to the AAVSO. Gosh darn, I look at the area every clear night around 9:30pm, but this is the first time I printed out a chart and gave it a good go.

 

Seems it has dimmed back since it was only +10.3 when I looked at it 15 minutes ago.

 

Scott H.

I guess your experience has done it to me, Scott.  I'd better print out the AAVSO chart myself. It's got to be better than just using SkySafari. I've looked at the field a few times, but couldn't positively identify it, since the widest FOV of my C-11 is only 1 degree. 

 

So Scott, how do I print a chart for the Blaze Star? I have established a new AAVSO account, to receive their Alert emails. But can't find the print chart location. I know I could order one to be delivered by mail. But the blaze might be here and gone by then.

 

Edit:

I did find a couple of charts supplied by the British Astronomical Association that will serve until I get the AAVSO ones. I was a member of AAVSO from about 1985 to 1990. I had submitted almost 900 observations using photoelectric photometry.

 

Best Regards,

Russ


Edited by Rustler46, 05 August 2024 - 12:51 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2024 - 01:57 AM

According to your research, how long will the brightest part of the outburst last? Just several days? I don't want to miss it. The last outburst in 1946 happened the month before I was born.

 

Best Regards,

Russ

Rather than actual research, I am just going by the AAVSO reports/light curve from 1946 the peak which was abruptly seen at around 3 mag on 2/9/1946 by several observers.  There is only one bright point before that, at 5.1 mag on 2/4/1946 by Joseph Meek in the U.S.  So I guess there is some reasonable hope for a more gradual brightening.   I would feel better about it if there were more observations supporting that first bright point.  I suppose we will find out in the next year or so.  If it takes a few days to rise, then we will have better chances of observing it.

 

Naked eye visibility to around 6 mag extended to 2/16/1946 with 5th mag reached around 2/13/24.  5th mag is a reasonable estimate for detection level in suburban sky at present.  So for much of the modern world a 4 night naked eye window is about all that is likely from the peak.


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Posted 05 August 2024 - 06:26 AM

My latest estimate for T Crb made on 3/8/24 at 23:39 UTC:-

 

T CRB: JD 2460527.4857  (BAA  Chart 25.03)    L-1      9.9Mv.

 

SCT 200mm.


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Posted 05 August 2024 - 07:56 AM

I guess your experience has done it to me, Scott.  I'd better print out the AAVSO chart myself. It's got to be better than just using SkySafari. I've looked at the field a few times, but couldn't positively identify it, since the widest FOV of my C-11 is only 1 degree. 

 

So Scott, how do I print a chart for the Blaze Star? I have established a new AAVSO account, to receive their Alert emails. But can't find the print chart location. I know I could order one to be delivered by mail. But the blaze might be here and gone by then.

 

Edit:

I did find a couple of charts supplied by the British Astronomical Association that will serve until I get the AAVSO ones. I was a member of AAVSO from about 1985 to 1990. I had submitted almost 900 observations using photoelectric photometry.

 

Best Regards,

Russ

Below is a 7.5* FoV chart that has N up and E to left. Note the bright naked-eye star 41 CrB.

 

Okay, now, since you have a SCT, this next chart is 3* FoV and has N up but E to right.

 

IF you want to create more custom charts, see this link (https://apps.aavso.o...th=up&east=left).

 

Scott H.

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Posted 05 August 2024 - 10:33 AM

A better chart for doing estimates of T CrB in its normal range is X37374DR or X37498BU  (which are the same chart from what I see) with a 1 degree field.  These are what I have used for doing estimates with the AT72EDII and the AT125EDL in the suburbs.  


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Posted 05 August 2024 - 12:38 PM

Last night I made an observation of T CrB before the fog came in. The star HD143256 in SkySafari was used and was the same magnitude as T CrB.

 

2024/8/5   4:34 U.T.   Estimated visual magnitude  9.8.      15" Newtonian at 92x.

 

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Posted 05 August 2024 - 04:05 PM

I've been monitoring T CrB on every clear night (which isn't very often, since I live near Rochester, NY) for the past few months.  It has brightened very, very slowly for the past few weeks, but no sign of the real outburst yet.

 

You can look at the latest AAVSO data at their website.  Go to

 

    https://www.aavso.org/

 

Look for the "Pick A Star" box.  Type "T CrB" into it, and click "Plot a Light Curve."


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Posted 05 August 2024 - 08:24 PM

Here is a graph of my observations of T CrB from 5/2 - 7/28. Last nights magnitude of 9.8 is only a bit higher than the previous 3 months, so it will be interesting to see where it will go from here.

 

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Posted 05 August 2024 - 09:16 PM

Rustler, me old flower, am sure thah's posted a list of Burnham's Celestial Handbook's objects in a spreadsheet or sky safari or summat form somewhere on cn,  which make is sound like you've a copy of 'em.

 

It's got a plot of both the last outburst lightcurves, first one and last one, samey profiles for both, short and sweet, then a last gasp after a while which lasts a while then it slowly goes back to beddy byes, as indeed should I.


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Posted 06 August 2024 - 02:21 PM

I imaged T CrB a couple of nights ago.  It was clearly close to its normal brightness than the images have not yet been analyzed.  Perhaps they should be.


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Posted 06 August 2024 - 07:40 PM

According to my observations it may be peaking just a tad higher than it did on the last cycle. This is a summary of my current observing campaign including my most recent observation from last night.

 

T CrB (3-16 to 8-5-2024)-1j.JPG

 

Enjoy.

 


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Posted 07 August 2024 - 07:07 AM

Image from last night with my 6 inch refractor.

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Posted 08 August 2024 - 02:28 PM

Two nights ago I finally got around to IDing the field around T Coronae Borealis. It is just a quick star-hop over from Epsilon. Using the charts from BAA and AAVSO I estimated T CrB was right around 10.1 magnitude. The 9.8 and 10.6 comparison stars were used for that estimate.

 

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Posted 08 August 2024 - 03:36 PM

The suspense builds...

 

The data being reported to the AAVSO website suggests that T CrB has just about reached its maximum brightness for the current cycle and I thought that my observations were showing the same thing... until last night. It's only one lonely data point and I have been wrong before (many times) but last night's observation suggested that T CrB may still be slowly brightening a bit above where it crested on the last cycle.

 

T CrB (3-16 to 8-7-2024)-1j.JPG

 

Probably nothing, but you never know!


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Posted 08 August 2024 - 09:07 PM

Very little to no changes in the balmer lines spectroscopically.  Low resolution (1011a), no real indication at this time, but I do sample it almost every night.

 

This image shows from 0730 to 0808 (UT times)

 

T CrB 0730 0808

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Posted 10 August 2024 - 09:36 AM

Latest magnitude estimate for T CRB: 9/8/24 (JD 2460532) at 22:29 UTC.

 

 

BAA chart 25.03.  L-1, 9.9mv.


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Posted 11 August 2024 - 10:44 AM

The star continues to climb very slowly.  Is this a sign of an incipient sharp outburst, or just one of the usual long-period, small-amplitude variations of the system?  

 

I have no idea, but am still observing every clear night -- and even some cloudy nights :-(



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Posted 11 August 2024 - 11:33 AM

The star continues to climb very slowly.  Is this a sign of an incipient sharp outburst, or just one of the usual long-period, small-amplitude variations of the system?  

 

I have observed this star for decades now and it always has shown a small variation of magnitude.

 

I have it at 9.9mv.



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Posted 11 August 2024 - 02:03 PM

The star continues to climb very slowly.  Is this a sign of an incipient sharp outburst, or just one of the usual long-period, small-amplitude variations of the system?  

 

I have no idea, but am still observing every clear night -- and even some cloudy nights :-(

It doesn't look to be climbing in the recent data (V mag and visual.)  Instead it seems to have reached a peak and is showing some signs of having begun the downward cycle again.  Alternatively, it could just be a short term plateau formed over the past six nights.  It will take a few more nights to establish if that is the case or not.




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