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International Observe the Moon Night - Did you host a public observing event?

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#1 John Rogers

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Posted 09 August 2024 - 04:52 PM

If so, I would like to get an estimate of the numbers of people that stopped by to look through a telescope.  Our club is looking to host a public viewing event this year, but if the estimated number of attendees exceed 50, the permit process and costs go up dramatically in our city.

 

Also, if you have any insight as to how long individuals stuck around?  That information could be useful in establishing the number of people in the crowd at a given time with staggered arrival/departure times taken into consideration.

 

I checked the official International Observe the Moon Night website, but their numbers tend to focus on total numbers of people who participated in any multitude of ways.


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Posted 09 August 2024 - 09:20 PM

The fact that you would be charged to just set up a scope to let people look thru it for free just confirms my theory that the world is run by idiots who get guidance from morons.


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Posted 10 August 2024 - 09:04 PM

Do the authorities that charge for over and above a certain number of attendees have a side hussle with ticketmaster? Guess you will have to book viewing times like tables at a restaurant.  lol.gif

  Seriously though probably has to do with liabilities and insurance riders for the owners of the site . In our very cloudy city of 180k if we only got fifty folks out for IOTM , would be disappointed or it’s cloudy that night .

 As to how long folks stick around , depends on how engaging your team is and any peripherals available for folks to experience.  
Would you be allowed to ask for donations to cover the added cost for >50  ?

 Good Luck and Clear Skies 



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Posted 11 August 2024 - 09:36 AM

Thank you csrlice12 and Sincos for your responses.

 

Our club hosted the event in 2022.  I estimated the number of participants would be 50 or less and I was able to get the necessary permit through the Parks and Recreation District without any serious issues.  The largest cost and most difficult part was obtaining liability insurance.

 

This year however, given that our club is doing a better job of advertising the event, I estimated that the number of attendees would be over 50.  This is apparently a magic number that triggers an additional permit required by the city.  Its requirements are much more onerous, with an application fee that is more than double our total 2022 costs and requires at least 60 days to process the request and face-to-face meetings with city managers.  Since we are 30 days out, this would be a show-stopper. 

 

We are instead drafting a waiver request for the city.  In 2022 the public seemed to arrive and depart in about 30 minutes after viewing through the telescopes.  Given the staggered nature of the crowd, we are suggesting that there would be no more than 50 people there at a given instant.  This was the intent of my original post, to collect real-world data to submit with the waiver request.

 

I am hoping that folks here would have some experience with public outreach viewing events to share.


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Posted 19 August 2024 - 10:43 PM

I completely didn't know about this.  This would be a fun event for my community. 



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Posted 28 August 2024 - 10:49 AM

My club has been doing this event for a couple of years now and have had great results. We have held the event at different public libraries in the past and this year we are going to be hosting the event at 2 different locations simultaneously. We have really received some great feedback from the community and have increased our membership as well. It’s been a great experience for both young and old.

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Posted 30 August 2024 - 09:18 PM

We are planning on running something this year. A 30 minute talk, some activities for young astronomers, and 6-8 scopes.

 

We will be limited to 60 registered visitors due to logistics of our host location.

 

We're excited about doing it and would love for it to be an annual tradition for the club.


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Posted 04 September 2024 - 04:38 PM

If you are doing such an event at a public place, you really cannot know with any certainty what the numbers will be.  And asking what others experience was is no help either - their situation will be different to yours just like where they have set up will be different.  All you can do is guess.  And the local council you are organising this with will be aware of this too.

 

My own Club is faced with the same situation.  Our first priority was to find a site that made it as easy and accessible for our members with their gear.  From this point to then negotiate with the relevant local council.  How you present your case for the event will be your best tool.  The experience your club has with dealing with outreach events, the safety precautions you have developed not only over time but for the event you are applying for to show you are thinking ahead, the reasons for the site you have selected not only for your members but also how it works for the community to keep them safe (for instance as this is with the Moon and planets (Venus early & Saturn later on) we are making use of the ambient lighting to our advantage including having this lighting behind us), if you feel that the event will need facilities such as a public toilets, and of course the relevant insurance documents of your club.  Even whatever banners you may want to set up.  It won't be the first time the Council you are dealing with has had an event proposed with no certainty of numbers.  That they mention the number of 50 people is a starting point for this element of uncertainty - they are not dumb.  We have the exact same requirement and number being asked of us too.  So, we said 50 people along with all the above information.  Such an astro outreach event will also be an event out of left field for most Councils too, so they will be proactive too, but only if you show you (your club that is) are thinking about this and taking it seriously.  Be vague and present no case of having considered the many aspects of keeping people safe and your chances evaporate.

 

How many people end up turning up is important for future events to be organised.  Important for you and for the Council too.  Local Councils are always looking for new events that brings the community together in a safe, exciting and proactive way.  A successful event is what you do want, even if the numbers burst that 50 bubble.  Don't fear that 50 number.  What matters most is a good event especially as there will be families.  Now, if 300 people turn up then there are emergency measures that can be taken if things get difficult, but this is not something that you should focus on.  Now is working out how to organise yourselves for this event, bringing together the corporate knowledge your club has to pull off a great outreach event for everyone that turns up.  If 300 people do show up, how your club is able to work with such a number and pull off a great event, then, mate, THIS is what you REALLY want!  This will mean that the Council will admire your club and will willingly work even more closely with you in the future.  You know, "building relationships" and all that buzz.

 

This is what I am focused on right now as my own Club is just over a week away from doing our own event.  It isn't just about having members with telescopes, but also members without their telescopes as these are the ones who will monitor the queues, answer questions of people who are walking by and curious at what is happening, questions of people as they wait, and perform an invaluable job as the face of the club.  The members with their scopes will have their hands full with their guests at the scope, they cannot perform these other tasks.  If all this sounds like I am telling you and your club how to suck lemons, but my intention is to bring into mind aspects that maybe you or others reading this that haven't been considered.  We are all in this together even if we are on opposite sides of the world.

 

Alex.


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Posted 07 September 2024 - 09:35 AM

Thank you Alex for your response.  For our city, the magic number of 50 was a threshold for two slightly different registration processes, requiring approvals from two different entities.  The more than 50 option would have been cost prohibitive for our small club.

 

I was successfully able to request and receive a waiver from the city, so we are good to go this year.

 

I hope the weather cooperates!


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Posted 07 September 2024 - 07:25 PM

Nice post, Alex!

You’re so right, take 50 if you can get it. We want to build this over a few years so doing a manageable event is important to build the relationship with the venue managers. Even though it’s State owned and run, we need a partnership with them.

For 60 people, we plan on 6-8 scopes, one presenter, two sky tour guides, and the rest to manage the crowd as well as the activity tables.

Long range forecasts look very good here, hope they’re good for everyone else.

Chris
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