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#126 Keith Rivich

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Posted 24 April 2025 - 11:46 AM

Quick update:

 

A really good week so far. While not perfect skies they have been really good. The Upper Field has been full of observers well into the wee hours of the night. I've been up til at least 4 every night. Lots of chatter and laughter!

 

We had a rocket flyover earlier in the week with what looked like a second stage separation and a fuel dump. Was very cool to see. 

 

Last night we had pretty strong storms skirt the area but we escaped any bad weather. But it did make for some interesting atmospheric phenomena as with night vision scopes we could clearly see sprites and rays from the distant storms. Even saw my first "hanging carrots" sprite. We could also see (naked eye as well as with night vision) huge arcs of light as the energy from the lightening breifely ionized the atmosphere well above the storms. Also pretty cool!

 

The talks have been pretty good and the food, while not 5 star quality, has been more then sufficient. Yesterday's BBQ was delicious. 

 

Internet has been good as well as phone coverage. I can even call home from my room without have to hunt for the "special rock" to stand on to get signal! 

 

I'll try and post some observing reports tomorrow when I will have a little downtime. 


Edited by Keith Rivich, 24 April 2025 - 12:10 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2025 - 03:33 PM

I just woke up! Slept through lunch, but it was worth it since I was able to observe past Moonrise and 6am.

 

I can concur with Keith. Here are my ratings for the nights we've had so far as:

#1 Sunday, #2 Wednesday, #3 Monday, #4 Tuesday.

 

It is looking to be good and clear all night long tonight, so I'm hoping it will challenge Sunday for the top spot because after tonight, we are looking at having some real cloud issues on Friday and Saturday.

 

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Posted 25 April 2025 - 02:05 PM

We could also see (naked eye as well as with night vision) huge arcs of light as the energy from the lightening breifely ionized the atmosphere well above the storms. Also pretty cool!

 

Elves perhaps? https://en.wikipedia...lightning#Elves

Pretty cool that you got to see all the upper atmospheric lightning. I've only ever seen it once while on a flight a couple years back. I think it was a blue jet but I don't know for sure.

 

Interestingly, I recently came across this report (linked below) from the 2019 Okie-Tex star party and there's a section of it highlighting observations (including with night vision) of gravity waves over distant storms. I was wondering if you saw those as well?

 

https://www.loptics....kietex2019.html


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Posted 25 April 2025 - 07:46 PM

I had three extremely obscure supernova remnants on my list, and I got to see the one I really wanted to in Norma!

I had six globular clusters and my list, and have seen five of them so far with binoculars and/or my 16-inch (Ruprect 106, NGC 5946, NGC 6397, ESO 280-SC06, and NGC 6584). That just left out Palomar 14, which I got with Keith's telescope.

I had charts made up for four pre-planetary nebulae and have seen three of them in my 16-inch (Boomerang, Water Lily, Spindle). That just left V445 Scu for Keith's 25-inch, which I got last evening.

I had three Wolf-Rayet nebulae on my list to see and I saw them all in my 16-inch (NGC 6164/5, RCW 104, WR 102).

I've also been looking at member stars and star clusters in some "nearby" galaxies with Rivich's and Lowrey's telescopes. But it was fun to show Larry Mitchell Malin 1 in his 20-inch and the Boomerang in my 16-inch...

Scott H.


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Posted 26 April 2025 - 10:35 PM

Thoughts on TSP

 

Just got home tonight after a longish nearly 12 hour drive. Was doing fine until I hit San Antonio. Lost nearly an hour taking my Anderson Loop shortcut. Lots of traffic for a Saturday afternoon. After rejoining interstate 10 it seems all of the 18 wheeler drivers insisted on driving side by side doing well under the speed limit. Made for a very slow drive into Houston. 

 

Anyways, had a very good trip with 5 straight nights of good conditions. Not great as the humidity was spiking a bit at night and a slight but persistent haze was noticeable most of the week looking at the distant mountains. SQML probably averages 21.75 for the better part of the week. The lights from the oil fields to the north were for the most part really faint. Probably due to the haze. 

 

For the most part seeing was decent. No problem going to 700x when needed. 

 

It was very dry and dusty. Next level type dust. Like talcum powder. Its in everything.

 

I thought we were going to make it through the week without a monster dust devil. Was not to be. A giant came through Thursday afternoon on the upper field and knocked over a few scopes. Hopefully no damage was done. Tie your scopes down people, don't leave your dobs pointed up!

 

For the most part the talks were fine but it seemed a lot of last minute schedule changes were happening. A bit disorganized. TSP needs to have a dedicated speaker coordinator once more. The a/c in the room barely worked and it was very warm inside. 

 

Internet was great this year. Cell phone coverage was much better then previous years. At least for my AT&T phone.

 

The food was fine with a few exceptions, like the hamburgers and hotdogs. Not very good. The pork chops were a it dry but edible. The BBQ was great as was the roast beef. The salad bar was quite good, fresh and plentiful.

 

TSP (and the Ranch) needs to rethink the 7 day minimum. I was the only resident in my row of hotel rooms for most of the week. I did have some neighbors come in on Thursday. Not sure if they paid for the whole week or were allowed a partial week. A lot of the bunkhouses were nearly empty. Seems to me a hotel oriented business would prefer have paying customers, if only for a day or two, rather then having rooms sit empty making 0 dollars for the week. But that's me. 

 

As usual the Give-a-way took to long with to many of the same things. I, for one, am tired of hearing Bob's Knobs. But the winners had fun. I did win a Celestron UHC filter!

 

Volunteering was fine, but I felt useless. I had "Merchandise (T-shirts and such)" duty as well as gate duty on Thursday. Four of us sitting out in the heat, for three hours, waving people through. If TSP insist we guard the entrance it seems they could schedule two people for an hour. No need for four people for three hours. Same for the merchandise table. Two would suffice.

 

Need to get rid of the darned wrist bands. I wanted to rip mine off after a few minutes. Not sure why these are needed. Who cares if someone from the local community comes in for a visit. I have been there during other large events and no one is wearing a wrist band.

 

All in all, despite the little pains, I had a very good time and will go again next year. Excluding fuel I only spent around $300 the entire week. $160 of that was at the McDonald gift shop! 

 

Karl did a fantastic job and I thank him for putting on a very good Star Party. Thank you Karl! But TSP needs to listen to folks gripes and address what prevented people from attending in the first place.

 

I also want to thank the volunteers that came out early to set up the power cords and room blackout. Great job folks! 

 

Hopefully next year we can get back to a healthy 400+ attendees! 


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Posted 28 April 2025 - 07:00 PM

Keith, I think your idea of splitting the week is a very good one and would benefit the TSP going forward. Not everyone will be able to spend an entire week at the Prude Ranch, but obviously the cabin priority should go to those who can and want to be attending for the entire time. Then if cabins remain available, the Prude Ranch could rent the remaining vacant cabins or bunkhouses to people who wish to stay for shorter blocks of time - the late groups and the early groups and mildly reduced attendance fees for the short term people. 

What do you think?



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Posted 28 April 2025 - 10:04 PM

Keith, I think your idea of splitting the week is a very good one and would benefit the TSP going forward. Not everyone will be able to spend an entire week at the Prude Ranch, but obviously the cabin priority should go to those who can and want to be attending for the entire time. Then if cabins remain available, the Prude Ranch could rent the remaining vacant cabins or bunkhouses to people who wish to stay for shorter blocks of time - the late groups and the early groups and mildly reduced attendance fees for the short term people. 

What do you think?

I would think this would work. Not sure why the Ranch banned partial stays. Doesn't make sense to me unless there is a reason I am not aware of. 



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Posted 29 April 2025 - 07:05 AM

I rather wonder about the communication between the star party and the ranch. On many occasions I have gotten up to the counter and found that the situation was significantly different than what was published.

For that matter even with the star party run by the ranch I have found having a conversation with them winds up a lot differently than what I expected going in. They are a lot easier to deal with in person.

Could be they just aren't very good at written communication or whoever is writing the emails and such isn't on the same page as the rest of the staff.

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Posted 29 April 2025 - 08:23 AM

I rather wonder about the communication between the star party and the ranch. On many occasions I have gotten up to the counter and found that the situation was significantly different than what was published.

For that matter even with the star party run by the ranch I have found having a conversation with them winds up a lot differently than what I expected going in. They are a lot easier to deal with in person.

Could be they just aren't very good at written communication or whoever is writing the emails and such isn't on the same page as the rest of the staff.

I didn't run into that. The Ranch had my room ready and the check in process took less then 5 minutes. I had a few questions, they answered accurately. 



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Posted 29 April 2025 - 06:02 PM

Here's a pic I took of the upper field from my room. There were quite a few nice scopes set up. I counted 4 25" scopes and 1 30"er. 

 

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Posted 01 May 2025 - 11:38 PM

Here's a pic I took of the upper field from my room. There were quite a few nice scopes set up. I counted 4 25" scopes and 1 30"er. 

 

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Mark F., you, and I had 3 of the 4 25" scopes, and I believe someone from Louisiana bought and restored a badly damaged 25" F/5 that was on the field.  I know of one other 24" scope that was on the field, but not sure of any other scopes that were in that range on the upper field.



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Posted 02 May 2025 - 02:03 PM

Mark F., you, and I had 3 of the 4 25" scopes, and I believe someone from Louisiana bought and restored a badly damaged 25" F/5 that was on the field.  I know of one other 24" scope that was on the field, but not sure of any other scopes that were in that range on the upper field.

The other 25" was set up across the field just north of the stairs. The 30" was set up next to Larry. There was a decent sized scope set up on the middle field but I never went down to see what it was. 



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Posted 02 May 2025 - 04:53 PM

In your estimation, what is the usual number of 20" and above Newtonian reflectors at the TSP?



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Posted 02 May 2025 - 05:14 PM

In your estimation, what is the usual number of 20" and above Newtonian reflectors at the TSP?

Yikes! I have no idea. But based on just looking around and taking in all the great equipment I would say 20 or so scopes greater then 20". Within in my little circle of observers:

 

3 25" scopes

1 22" scope

1 20"

3 18" scopes

1 16" scope

1 15" scope

1 14.5" scope



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Posted 11 May 2025 - 03:07 PM

In case anyone is interested, I published a short article on my first experience at the Texas Star Party on Sky&Telescope.org. It doesn't cover everything I experienced, but it should give a first-timer a decent overview. (https://skyandtelesc...xas-star-party/)

 

 

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Posted 17 May 2025 - 11:28 AM

Just got back from a long RV vacation in the southwest that included the Texas Star Party, eight national parks, and a family visit.  Here are some of my thoughts.

 

First, I'm a casual amateur.  I have a NextStar that I left at home because I didn't want to lug it around for a month.  So I settled for my SeeStar, hoping that I would be able to catch some glimpses through some of the larger scopes there.

 

The TSP was the third stop on our trip.  My wife was along, and would have enjoyed a day (and/or evening) at the TSP, but not the whole week.  We arrived at Fort Davis State Park on Sunday with an hour or so to set up before dark, Monday after I registered, we went to Big Bend, and the Tuesday I drove my wife to El Paso where she flew out to visit friends.  So I didn't really get started with TSP until Wednesday.

 

A couple of observations on staying offsite:

  • For folks with RVs, we thought that Fort Davis State Park was very nice.  We had a shaded site, electric and water, and the facilities were clean and very adequate.
  • I thought that staying offsite really cut into the social networking of the TSP for me - not eating meals with folks was a biggie.  That was made worse by the fact that I was a no show for Sunday through Tuesday.  However, it also meant that I wasn't comfortable networking with others during the nighttime observing hours.  For folks staying offsite, an evening only meal plan might be a good option.
  • About three weeks prior to the TSP I had a back spasm (no prior history) that wasn't fully healed by the time we arrived.  That limited my ability to set up for observing, as walking from the back two fields to the front gate (no driving in the ranch at night) was not practical for me - constant level 2-3 soreness.  The one night that I did set up, I aggravated my back, so I packed it up the next morning and settled for attending presentations for the rest of the week.  In addition, rather than walking back to the gate that night, I slept on the couch in the building north of field #3 from 3am to 7 or so, after I finished observing.
  • For folks staying offsite, day or evening passes for family members would be nice.

Other observations on the TSP:

  • The tour of the McDonald Observatory on Wednesday was spectacular. - it was the highlight of the week for me.
  • I enjoyed several of the presentations - Scott Harrington and Molly Wakeling in particular.  In general I would have liked more astronomy content.  I was very disappointed by the evening presentations on Thursday and Friday - I was expecting much more astronomy content from the headliner speakers.
  • I did take the time on my Thursday observing night to use the panorama feature of my SeeStar to capture Stephen's Quintet using the new equatorial mode.  It took over 2 hours.  The night was a perfect observing night except for a little lightening low in the eastern sky early on.  There have been only a few nights this spring at my home (Bortles 5 in the Colorado foothills) that I had free -and- I could have gotten 2 hours of clear viewing before 1am or so.  From what I heard, pretty much every night at TSP was that nearly perfect.

The summary:

  • TSP had great potential - but it was diminished by:
    • Being part of a larger vacation where my wife and I were balancing our interests.
    • My wife would have enjoyed attending for one or two days - that was not an option.
    • The combination of staying offsite and dealing with back pain was much more limiting than I had anticipated.
    • A program of presentations that was less interesting to me than I had anticipated.
  • Offset by:
    • A great tour - almost worth all of the other aggravation.  For me, seeing the inside workings of two big scopes was a once in a lifetime opportunity, an irreplaceable opportunity.
    • A couple of very good presentations.
    • One good observing night.

Obviously my experience doesn't reflect the norm for the week, but I hope it provides folks with some things to think about when planning a first trip to TSP.

 

Would I do it again?

  • Probably not the TSP.  Granted that more than half of my disappointment was due to my personal situation (family trip, staying offsite, back pain), I would have to make sure I could manage all of those issues before I would consider attending again.
  • I might attend a closer, shorter star party - maybe the Colorado Star Party - if the stars aligned smile.gif.

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