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#1 FortySixand2exas

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Posted 11 September 2024 - 04:43 PM

First of all let me apologize in advance for the length of the text below. I am hoping by being thorough in my description I can avoid many of the "did you try this" suggestions of things I had already done.

 

 

Hello fellow Paramount users! This may actually only be a question for MyT owners since the balance switches are two way.  I believe they are 3 way on either the MX, ME or both.

On with the story...

I ordered the MKS6000 upgrade for my 2021 model Paramount MyT.  Which, by the way, was working fine at the time of upgrade, also at that time was using a t-point model and PEC curve both built and applied by me.  I got the kit in and read the manual thoroughly and watched the video.  Was a little anxious since the video was on either and ME or MX (i can't tell the difference) and I was pretty sure the Dec shaft was not quite the same.  Regardless, I forged ahead.  Got everything installed.  Followed the directions on setting the motor index angle (196 RA and 190 Dec) and was successful, or so I thought.  After that, I got into the settings and tweaked my slew limits to be a little more conservative (0.10 and -0.10 instead of 1.5 and -1.5 on east and west) then I slowed down my slew rates from 80 to 50 and set my accel/decel to 250 from 400. I don't have a paddle so I couldn't use it to test slew limits.  I then homed the mount... check. homed perfectly, right to the tape I put on my Dec and RA axes. Something I noted immediately which I thought was odd was despite the mount pointing at about 2 o'clock (~30 degrees past Meridian) the indicator on the screen showed the scope to be pointing right at the meridian. So, despite this I went ahead and set up to shoot for the night.  I had a bit of trouble finding my target because the initial slew was also very much out of position on the RA axis, but attributed this to not having a pointing model yet. I went ahead and started shooting and went to bed.  Early the next morning I walked out, and the scope had slewed well past the slew limit I set and had crashed the pier. The mount was beeping so I powered it down, unlocked the axis and manually set it in the park position till I could get home from work and check it.  Once I got back to it, I could see that the crash happened during or right before the meridian flip.  I thought I have must have forgotten to upload my settings to the mount, but when I went to "get" them they were all there just as I had set them.  At this point I tried resetting the motor index angle again a few times. the instruction manual sent uses the method where you put the axes in balance mode and then "read" the motor index angles and then input them and save them. This was the method I used initially. Inside the software itself it says there is a MKS6000 mode where all you do is let the mount reboot and then tell it to read the angle indexes.  When I tried this a few times I always got "error 231" I believe.  I tried rebooting a few times and that didn't seem to help either.  If anyone else has run into this problem and fixed it, please share!  I'm stuck unable to shoot for fear of a pier crash until I can confirm I have resolved this.

 

Thanks!

-Scotty



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Posted 12 September 2024 - 12:23 AM

Did you reset to TCS defaults for the MYT after setting index angles?

Also, check that your flipHA line is set to 0.

Running Build 13878?

Calibrate joystick after upgrade?

Failure to do some of these can cause strange issues.

Edited by Elusivephotons, 12 September 2024 - 12:31 AM.

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Posted 12 September 2024 - 11:02 AM

I received the same error setting my index angles after the upgrade. My software was just needing the latest build.
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Posted 12 September 2024 - 07:04 PM

Reading on the bisque forum if the mount slews the index angles are correct, something else is going on (old copy of TSX, or if your kit is from the first generation you may need to update the firmware).

 

One clue that you may have the wrong mount selected (like maybe a upgraded MyT which would confirm your software is old) is you say the mount homed at 0, 0 on the sky chart which is where a series 6 mount would home (because the series 6 gears are the same size) while the original MyT would home at 2, 0 for HA and Dec. which yours did but the sky chart was wrong. Your mount homed, angles are correct.

 

Good luck, sounds like you're close.


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Posted 12 September 2024 - 08:13 PM

Thanks so much for reading my post and taking the time to reply. I truly appreciate!

 

Something I neglected to include despite my wordy response was that this is getting set up for a remote system and has a brand new PC (eagle 5) and a brand new installation of TSX.  I did not upgrade the firmware because I have always read in the manuals and the software "DONT UPGRADE FIRMWARE UNLESS INSTRUCTED TO DO SO BY BISQUE!!!" so I have never upghraded it and I am nervouis to do so. I am just get home from a late day of work (I went in at 5:30 am and I am, just getting hom at 8 PM) as soon as I have a chance to clean up , eat and check out my rig I will report back on my findings!

 

 

 

Did you reset to TCS defaults for the MYT after setting index angles?  made sure everything was reset to default before I set motor indexes

Also, check that your flipHA line is set to 0. not yet

Running Build 13878? not sure I downloaded it from bisque 3 days ago.

Calibrate joystick after upgrade? no joystick

Failure to do some of these can cause strange issues.

 

 

I received the same error setting my index angles after the upgrade. My software was just needing the latest build. Thanks! I'll try that out for sure!

 

 

Reading on the bisque forum if the mount slews the index angles are correct, something else is going on (old copy of TSX, or if your kit is from the first generation you may need to update the firmware). TSX was  fresh download from the website, a few days old.. but I agree based on what you are saying sounds like I have the wrong mount selected somewhere.

 

One clue that you may have the wrong mount selected (like maybe a upgraded MyT which would confirm your software is old) is you say the mount homed at 0, 0 on the sky chart which is where a series 6 mount would home (because the series 6 gears are the same size) while the original MyT would home at 2, 0 for HA and Dec. which yours did but the sky chart was wrong. Your mount homed, angles are correct.

 

Good luck, sounds like you're close.thanks!


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Posted 12 September 2024 - 10:00 PM

OKgot it all booted up again and looked at it.

 

1. Build # is : 13878

2. FlipHA Line is: 0.000

3. The mount I selected was the "Software Bisque MKS6000 Upgrade - Paramount MyT".  and it looked like this on the software:

 

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as soon as it finished homing it did this.

 

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has anyone else seen this?

 

By the way I just un installed, deleted the files, redownloaded and installed again and it did it again.


Edited by FortySixand2exas, 12 September 2024 - 10:25 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2024 - 10:23 PM

OK. So tried updating firmware.  Didnt  seem to help. Images below are in the home position.

 

Notice direction telescope is pointed and were yellow position indicator on TSX is :

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here is a closer look at the scopes position... defitnitely not at the meridian.

 

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Edited by FortySixand2exas, 12 September 2024 - 10:23 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2024 - 08:30 AM

Select 'Paramount MYT' (Not mks6000 upgrade) as your mount then reset to defaults in TCS. Reboot mount and try again.
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Posted 13 September 2024 - 11:37 AM

Yep wrong mount selected in TCS, be interesting if TPoint can take care of the flex in that setup, wonder if it is repeatable?


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Posted 13 September 2024 - 02:08 PM

Thanks guys! I also tried to select the plain MyT with no upgrade and the minute I tell it to home it switches to the series 6.

 

Edit: actually as soon as I tell it to connect it immediately switched to "Paramount MyT Series 6". I experimented and it sets itself to "Paramount MyT Series 6" as soon as I connect , no matter what I select in the set up.


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Posted 13 September 2024 - 06:05 PM

hoping this is the final update.  I think I found it!  I did not realize/remember that you could set your mount type under "restore default settings".  main reason is I had already done it once.  at the time I did it was at the very beginning of set up and in order to sync the mount I had a choice between "plain old MyT", "plain old MyT with MKS 6000 upgrade" and "MyT series 6".  I initially chose "plain old MyT with MKS6000 upgrade" and that was fine actually.  the mistake I made was when I reset the parameters to default it only had two mounts to choose from ""plain old MyT" or "series 6 MyT".  Assuming that since mine had been upgraded to the MKS6000 system, I selected "MyT Series 6" and completely forgot about making the selection because I didn't run into problems for a couple of days later!  if you are following along to figure out what might be wrong with your mount if you have the same problem as me.  See how I rememedied the situaion. open the Bisque TCS utilities tab and go to "reboot/update firmaware"  on that tab there is a "restore defaults..." button push it.  you will see:

 

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once you click on the "restore defaults" button you will see:

 

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If you have only upgraded your mount then select the , original/classic version  "Paramount MyT"

 

Thanks!

-Scotty

 

now I gotta see if I can remember how to do a PEC!


Edited by FortySixand2exas, 14 September 2024 - 07:46 AM.

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Posted 14 September 2024 - 01:34 PM

Well, everything stayed together long enough to run my PEC!

 

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After that I went ahead and did my t-point mudule:

 

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