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[LDW47]

We compare the approximate fields of view between Seestar S30 and S50, both in normal mode and in mosaic mode x2.

 

We have chosen a wide nebula such as the North America nebula.

 

The whole image corresponds to the S30 in mosaic mode x2, the nebula appears complete, even the Pelican nebula It peeks out a little.

 

The first red rectangle of 1.44x2.55°, corresponds to the mosaic mode x2 of the Seestar S50, it catches an important part but not the whole nebula.

 

The second red rectangle of 1.22x2.17°, corresponds approximately to the S30 in normal mode (x1).

 

The last red rectangle of 0.7x1.2°, corresponds approximately to the S50 in normal mode (x1).

 

 

 

 

 

 

The same with M8 and M20 (Trifid):

 

 

 

 

Best regards and good skyes 

So for the price the 30 would be a great little asset or am I reading it all wrong.

[GSBass]

I admit there are lots of assumptions I am making about skywatcher… it’s just that they have the same parent company and Celestron has put a lot of time and money in to the origin project and I think they can’t be blind to the sales numbers of their competitors in this space. So it just makes since to me that they would use the software and specifically the imx178 across their product line since all the hard work is complete …. Fairly easy to even keep close to same focal ratio , just would be smaller aperture and slower. We will see… it is 100% speculation 

SkyWatcher is very badly managed, they got front-run by ZWO on the mount front and their lineup of telescopes, once outstanding and dominant, is currently stagnant. Their corporate reps are full of arrogance, which reflects the inner workings of the company(IMO). I wouldn't expect anything out of them, to have their market position and show no innovation over the last decade is hopeless.

[GSBass]

You know I am a big fan of the innovation…. But it’s always been the time penalty that is the Achilles heel of CovalENS or framing…. And since I have come around to seeing the advantages of longer subtimes it does make me think if a company can develop a robot that will auto polar align itself during initialization , that would be the ideal way to go….. seems like it should be easy in my mind… but since none of them have done it yet perhaps the hurdle is higher…. All that is needed is another pair of alt/az motors in the base, platesolving during initialization should provide precise polar alignment every time 

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I also don’t really see why the higher end robots have not incorporated a guide cam yet… very old technology that works reliably and would benefit image quality

EQ mode just adds complication to the easy setup of the S50. With the framing mode (aka mosaic) now available there seems little need for an EQ mode. Framing eliminates field rotation, so who needs EQ mode?

Edited by GSBass, 03 November 2024 - 08:53 AM.

[LDW47]

It would be odd if the wide angle lens wasn’t useable at night, though I would doubt that it has any filtration available and so would be less useful under light pollution (always tape one over the front). Being lighter and shorter than the s50, one can hope that they can give us an eq mode for those that want to try, less stress on the mechanics and less tilting moment so less likely to topple over.


Peter

So what level does your knowledgeable post say are the pollution levels it would be 'less useful under', eh. Just curious.

[LDW47]

You know I am a big fan of the innovation…. But it’s always been the time penalty that is the Achilles heel of CovalENS or framing…. And since I have come around to seeing the advantages of longer subtimes it does make me think if a company can develop a robot that will auto polar align itself during initialization , that would be the ideal way to go….. seems like it should be easy in my mind… but since none of them have done it yet perhaps the hurdle is higher…. All that is needed is another pair of alt/az motors in the base, platesolving during initialization should provide precise polar alignment every time 

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I also don’t really see why the higher end robots have not incorporated a guide cam yet… very old technology that works reliably and would benefit image quality

You are the man, there is no doubt, eh. Just call them and discuss and give us the conclusion, it would be interesting and really appreciated by all.

Edited by LDW47, 03 November 2024 - 08:58 AM.

[GSBass]

One day perhaps…. I don’t expect the cheaper robots would do this but once your north of 1500 it seems like there should be room to incorporate more hardware to raise the bar

You are the man, there is no doubt, eh. Just call them and discuss and give us the conclusion, it would be interesting and really appreciated by all.

[LDW47]

One day perhaps…. I don’t expect the cheaper robots would do this but once your north of 1500 it seems like there should be room to incorporate more hardware to raise the bar

You are correct but many times profit margines get in the road or they like to feed some extras gradually in the name of the almighty $, it depends on who is running the show. For what you get with the SeeStar and Dwarf gear and the price we can't complain and they are still making money. We have to look at the realities of this EAA game, the depth of wallet vs the fewer and fewer great viewing nites in many parts of the world where they have changed drastically. We will never attain perfection no matter how high the cost, ya think.  I've played the bigger and better thing, many times with more than just astronomy, lol.

[josjavpol]

Exclusive unboxing of the Seestar S30 from Italy Europe:
https://youtu.be/7M6...h24hyMFiuVdMl9-

 

Trying the Moon (starts at minute 1:30):

https://www.youtube....l0yjRh5bWL4MxHX

 

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Edited by josjavpol, 07 November 2024 - 04:44 PM.