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[DonBoy]

Check out Firstlightoptics.com for more S30 pictures and info.  It looks like a Vespera.  Maybe ZWO bought Vaonis.  LOL!

Edited by DonBoy, 30 September 2024 - 08:55 PM.

[chrisecurtis]

It does have a Vespera vibe. I can't image that will please Vaonis, who spent a lot of time and effort (and used a lot of Industrial Designers) to develop their "concept", but there's probably nothing they can do about it, except feel smug about others copying them.

[GSBass]

Does not look like zwo does much r&d to me… so far they are just copying, two robots,niether of which expanded capability of what was available, pricepoint is the only reason they have been successful

R&D for a product like the Seestar S30 doesn't happen overnight so they've obviously been working on it for a while.  

 

A pretty obvious comparison could be made with the Dwarf 3.  However, it has a larger lens and a more contemporary sensor than even the S50. 

 

That makes me wonder if the S30 wasn't originally intended to compete with the Dwarf II?

 

Curiouser and curiouser!

 

Don

[LDW47]

Anyone that knows anything about anything should know that you don't become tremendously successful like ZWO in a broad range of gear by just copying from someone else, right !  Copy catting has never been a good thing, the way to go about building up your company to what it is, the industry leader. If anything it might make the others a bit concerned as to how they are going to catch up, keep up with SeeStar as we all go down this EAA road, ya think. I'm keeping my thoughts focused on this new, non robotic wonder that has just been talked about, I hope mine is sitting under my xmas tree come Dec. 25th, I do hope. We shall surely see, eh.

[Jethro7]

Very interesting

[Undermidnight]

I was thinking about getting another S50 so I can get more data in half the time. Now I am considering the S30 for wider fields of view. I suspect I will go the S30 route. Name the S50 Canis Major, and the S30 Canis Minor  

 

Jason

[tarbat]

Does not look like zwo does much r&d to me… 

Really? I'd imagine DwarfLabs wouldn't have implemented internally selectable filters in the D3 if ZWO hadn't put that feature in the Seestar. Same with dithering. That's just two example. 

Edited by tarbat, 01 October 2024 - 09:18 AM.

[LDW47]

Really? I'd imagine DwarfLabs wouldn't have implemented internally selectable filters in the D3 if ZWO hadn't put that feature in the Seestar. Same with dithering. That's just two example. 

Well said and if you look close enough there is more.

[eyeoftexas]

Really? I'd imagine DwarfLabs wouldn't have implemented internally selectable filters in the D3 if ZWO hadn't put that feature in the Seestar. Same with dithering. That's just two example. 

Just remember that fanboys of one system naturally have to denigrate other systems. All of these are products of R&D.  These are companies trying to make profits, so of course they invest in developing products. It’s like saying Toyota does no R&D because it looks like a Ford and Ford came first. 

[LDW47]

Just remember that fanboys of one system naturally have to denigrate other systems. All of these are products of R&D.  These are companies trying to make profits, so of course they invest in developing products. It’s like saying Toyota does no R&D because it looks like a Ford and Ford came first. 

There is a difference between hyping up and plain BS'ing, I would say.  IMHO

Edited by LDW47, 01 October 2024 - 10:23 AM.

[GSBass]

I’m appreciative that zwo was able to create a pricepoint that brought more in to the hobby of robotics, but it’s not fanboy stuff to point out they have done very little to technically advance the field… seems to me they just look at what others are doing and ask how can we do it cheaper… that’s needed, no one should take offense, just an observation

[LDW47]

This thread is definitely regressing from the exciting talk of this future ZWO wonder scope, that has just recently been brought out, I don't know why because we still don't know too much about its future and what it will bring us. There is just no way that envy or .... can kick in that quick, really. I'll say one thing I'm excited for the future that it holds and hopefully there are others, right.  PS:  Even though I won't buy one now, I wish the D3 the best of luck because I came close. I fear it does have some new, well planned competition ahead !  Its the facts of life.

Edited by LDW47, 01 October 2024 - 11:21 AM.

[tarbat]

… seems to me they just look at what others are doing and ask how can we do it cheaper… 

Again, really? You seem to know nothing about innovations that ZWO have developed over the years. A recent example, the ASI2600MC-AIR. And the ASIAir itself. Things any Vaonis fan would probably deny.

Edited by tarbat, 01 October 2024 - 11:08 AM.

[LDW47]

Again, really? You seem to know nothing about innovations that ZWO have developed over the years. A recent example, the ASI2600MC-AIR. And the ASIAir itself. Things any Vaonis fan would probably deny.

You are telling the obvious, viva' la SeeStar.

[hemidart]

Umm, just a bit out of my price range.  LOL.

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[eyeoftexas]

Umm, just a bit out of my price range.  LOL.

Wow, the value of the Canadian dollar has dropped.  

[Digital Don]

Umm, just a bit out of my price range.  LOL.

You can get it a lot cheaper here!  Heck, at that price I think I'll order a couple of dozen!!!    

 

And free shipping too!

 

Don

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[GSBass]

That was just in reference to their robots… I’ll let it go though, I know people get upset if you say anything against their favorite companies, I fend for dwarflabs and Vaonis too when warranted but they are not perfect either… I think though even the most loyal zwo fans think they could be doing more to move the ball forward… would love for them to release a more advanced model

Again, really? You seem to know nothing about innovations that ZWO have developed over the years. A recent example, the ASI2600MC-AIR. And the ASIAir itself. Things any Vaonis fan would probably deny.

[Digital Don]

Does not look like zwo does much r&d to me… so far they are just copying, two robots,niether of which expanded capability of what was available, pricepoint is the only reason they have been successful

I don't know about that. 

 

The only thing they are really copying is the 'smart telescope' concept.  The were able to develop and bring to market a viable product and sell it for 1/8 the price of the Vaonis Stellina.  I'd say someone at ZWO is doing some pretty serious R&D! 

 

The same can be said about Dwarf Lab.  

 

Don

Edited by Digital Don, 01 October 2024 - 07:17 PM.

[jgraham]

The S30 looks interesting. It will be interesting to see how it is priced and how the final specs compare with the S50. My S50s (3 of them) are real work horses and they t'ain't goin' nowhere. However, there might be room for a smaller sibling. 😀

[eyeoftexas]

I know people get upset if you say anything against their favorite companies

If the comment was substantiated, no it is not upsetting.  It is the unsubstantiated comments that are frustrating.  You have no idea how much R&D ZWO has done, yet you throw out a comment like that.  ANd then act innocent when people call you on it.  You do add a lot to these threads, but it is the unsubstantiated opinions you toss out that are tiring.  As well as your constant beating of the Vaonis drum, like post #213 in this thread.  If you want to trumpet Vaonis, more power to you, but do it in one of the threads on Vaonis.  This thread is discussing the new Seestar product.

Edited by eyeoftexas, 01 October 2024 - 06:17 PM.

[bradhaak]

A Shetland pony to go with your work horses?

 

[LDW47]

If the comment was substantiated, no it is not upsetting.  It is the unsubstantiated comments that are frustrating.  You have no idea how much R&D ZWO has done, yet you throw out a comment like that.  ANd then act innocent when people call you on it.  You do add a lot to these threads, but it is the unsubstantiated opinions you toss out that are tiring.  As well as your constant beating of the Vaonis drum.  If you want to trumpet Vaonis, more power to you, but do it in one of the threads on Vaonis.  This thread is discussing the new Seestar product.

This is one of the best, most truthful posts I have read yet. I could never get away with those same words, ever.

[LDW47]

The S30 looks interesting. It will be interesting to see how it is priced and how the final specs compare with the S50. My S50s (3 of them) are real work horses and they t'ain't goin' nowhere. However, there might be room for a smaller sibling.

Exactly my thoughts.

[LDW47]

I don't know about that. 

 

The only thing they are really copying is the 'smart telescope' concept.  The were able to develop and bring to market and a viable product and sell it for 1/8 the price of the Vaonis Stellina.  I'd say someone at ZWO is doing some pretty serious R&D! 

 

The same can be said about Dwarf Lab.  

 

Don :USA 

Agree 110% !