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Posted 30 September 2024 - 10:29 PM

I reached out to flyboyu777 this month, and asked him about his start and interest in the hobby. Jim had this to share with us for the October restart.

 

All of us have a moment or two in our young lives that shape our future, including what we enjoy and desire. This is especially true of our hobbies. My love of astronomy and model trains came about when I was a young boy around 9, living in Germany in the late 60’s. The spark for astronomy began with one of the tenants at the apartment complex we lived in at Patch Barracks, near Stuttgart. There was a man with an enormous refractor (probably a 4” Unitron) sharing his telescope with anyone who wanted to take a peek through the eyepiece. I took a look, and to this day I still don’t know what I saw, if anything. But the sight of that magnificent telescope sparked a desire for a telescope for Christmas. The telescope I got was likely a Gilbert 2 1/2” reflector, and I had no idea how to use it, much less how to set it up or collimate the optics! Trying to see anything through it was frustrating, and I quickly lost interest in astronomy for a few years. Back to model trains for the next several years.

  It would be around age 12 when the astronomy spark returned. I believe it was Christmas 1972 when I received a Focal brand (K-Mart) 20X 30mm spotting scope, and a few months later I was out one clear night and noticed a fuzzy spot in the sky in the constellation Orion. I thought I had discovered a comet! Of course, it turned out to be M-42, but until I finally got a star chart I had no idea what I was looking at. The bug was back! For those old enough to remember the Sears Wish Book, they came out around August each year and were a source of dreams for boys and girls in the 60’s and 70’s. As I looked through all the toys, I knew what I  wanted, and found the pages with the Sears telescopes that were available to order. There was a beautiful 80mm equatorially mounted refractor that was what I wanted and put it at the top of my Christmas list. Unfortunately, my mom informed me shortly before Christmas that they had sold out of that telescope, I needed to pick another one. The only one worth getting was a little Alt-Az mounted 60mm with steel tripod legs. It would have to do. It was several months before I received my little refractor. But when I did, it was beautiful to my 12-year-old eyes! Through those 30-degree FOV eyepieces, I saw the Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, and many “deep sky” objects, and of course, aperture fever set in! I had to have something bigger so I could see more! As a kid with limited resources, There was no way I could buy a Celestron 8, much less one of the 6 or 8” Edmund reflectors that looked so nice in the catalog. The 3 or 4” refractors were also out of my league. Then I started reading about building a telescope, including grinding, polishing, and testing, so that’s what I did. My next Christmas wish list was to get a mirror-making kit along with a mirror mount, secondary mount, and mirror from Edmund. I even got a couple of the great books they had on optics and mounts, along with a Foucalt Test kit. Instead of starting with a 6” mirror, I went all out with an 8”, since I reasoned that I would get almost double the light-gathering ability to see more fuzzies. For several months I labored away on the mirror, grinding and polishing. To this day I still have flashbacks of walking the barrel to the Eagles' “Lying Eyes” or ELO’s “Evil Woman”! I hogged out the mirror to make an F-7 (+/-) mirror, and while it left a little to be desired as to the final finish and correction, it was good enough to give pretty nice views of Jupiter, Saturn, and deep sky objects. The tube was from a stovepipe extension, the mount was a collection of 3” Pipe fittings, and the counterweight was concrete, formed in a round plastic tub with one of the pipes set in the middle. The telescope was impressive enough that it helped me win the NE Alabama Regional Science Fair in 1978!

  Fast forward many years, an Air Force flying career followed by a major airline job, and I finally had the opportunity to build a permanent observatory on my property. At this point, I owned several telescopes, the largest of them a black tube C-14 that came on a CI-700 mount. Of course that mount was undersized for the C-14, so I bought a Losmandy Titan mounted on a custom-made pier. This was in my first observatory, along with a 12’ Meade LX-200.gallery_295172_24420_340163.jpg

To this day, the best views I’ve ever had of Jupiter were with the C-14, It was an optical gem. Unfortunately, my personal life went through some monumental changes, so I wound up with no observatory and sold most of my telescopes in my possession at the time, with the exception of an Astrophysics F/9 152 from the late 80s. The picture you see is the only one I have of the observatory. I thought it was a clever design.Several years later as the airline industry recovered from 9-11 and bankruptcy wages, I was in a position to build another observatory in the Texas Hill Country. As I started planning the build, I pretty much went crazy and decided to attach a roll-off roof to an Exploradome II dome. It was a monumental task, and even though I had some help with the build, I would find myself at times anxious, thinking about all the tasks I still had to complete. I finally “completed” the building, and mounted an AG Optical 17” IDK on a Paramount MEII under the dome, along with a custom-made AG Optical 12.5” F/5.5 Newtonian, with carbon fiber tube and Zerodur primary mounted on an iOptron CEM 120 mount.gallery_295172_23865_1969.jpg                                                                             I was really in business now, or so I thought. COVID-19 came to Texas, and it got pretty ugly at the airline biz-so ugly for me that when I got an early retirement offer, I jumped on it. Unfortunately, that meant that another move was in store, so say goodbye to observatory #2. I sold my Texas house, and moved back to Alabama in 2021, bringing my 17” and 12.5” along with me. Now It’s 2024, another observatory is underway-this time it is a “simple” 12 x 16’ roll-off, with 3 piers for a 14” Meade ACF F/8, a C-11, and a smaller pier for smaller telescopes. I sold the 17” and 12.5” thinking I would never build a big observatory again. Where I live I have OK skies, but the humidity is higher than in Texas, and the number of clear nights is fewer by far. So I’m more in planet mode than deep sky at this point!

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A great read Jim,thank you for sharing this about yourself.

 

 

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Posted 01 October 2024 - 10:00 AM

Glad to hear you're okay Chas.


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 10:06 AM

I reached out to flyboyu777 this month, and asked him about his start and interest in the hobby. Jim had this to share with us for the October restart.

 

All of us have a moment or two in our young lives that shape our future, including what we enjoy and desire. This is especially true of our hobbies. My love of astronomy and model trains came about when I was a young boy around 9, living in Germany in the late 60’s. The spark for astronomy began with one of the tenants at the apartment complex we lived in at Patch Barracks, near Stuttgart. There was a man with an enormous refractor (probably a 4” Unitron) sharing his telescope with anyone who wanted to take a peek through the eyepiece. I took a look, and to this day I still don’t know what I saw, if anything. But the sight of that magnificent telescope sparked a desire for a telescope for Christmas. The telescope I got was likely a Gilbert 2 1/2” reflector, and I had no idea how to use it, much less how to set it up or collimate the optics! Trying to see anything through it was frustrating, and I quickly lost interest in astronomy for a few years. Back to model trains for the next several years.

  It would be around age 12 when the astronomy spark returned. I believe it was Christmas 1972 when I received a Focal brand (K-Mart) 20X 30mm spotting scope, and a few months later I was out one clear night and noticed a fuzzy spot in the sky in the constellation Orion. I thought I had discovered a comet! Of course, it turned out to be M-42, but until I finally got a star chart I had no idea what I was looking at. The bug was back! For those old enough to remember the Sears Wish Book, they came out around August each year and were a source of dreams for boys and girls in the 60’s and 70’s. As I looked through all the toys, I knew what I  wanted, and found the pages with the Sears telescopes that were available to order. There was a beautiful 80mm equatorially mounted refractor that was what I wanted and put it at the top of my Christmas list. Unfortunately, my mom informed me shortly before Christmas that they had sold out of that telescope, I needed to pick another one. The only one worth getting was a little Alt-Az mounted 60mm with steel tripod legs. It would have to do. It was several months before I received my little refractor. But when I did, it was beautiful to my 12-year-old eyes! Through those 30-degree FOV eyepieces, I saw the Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, and many “deep sky” objects, and of course, aperture fever set in! I had to have something bigger so I could see more! As a kid with limited resources, There was no way I could buy a Celestron 8, much less one of the 6 or 8” Edmund reflectors that looked so nice in the catalog. The 3 or 4” refractors were also out of my league. Then I started reading about building a telescope, including grinding, polishing, and testing, so that’s what I did. My next Christmas wish list was to get a mirror-making kit along with a mirror mount, secondary mount, and mirror from Edmund. I even got a couple of the great books they had on optics and mounts, along with a Foucalt Test kit. Instead of starting with a 6” mirror, I went all out with an 8”, since I reasoned that I would get almost double the light-gathering ability to see more fuzzies. For several months I labored away on the mirror, grinding and polishing. To this day I still have flashbacks of walking the barrel to the Eagles' “Lying Eyes” or ELO’s “Evil Woman”! I hogged out the mirror to make an F-7 (+/-) mirror, and while it left a little to be desired as to the final finish and correction, it was good enough to give pretty nice views of Jupiter, Saturn, and deep sky objects. The tube was from a stovepipe extension, the mount was a collection of 3” Pipe fittings, and the counterweight was concrete, formed in a round plastic tub with one of the pipes set in the middle. The telescope was impressive enough that it helped me win the NE Alabama Regional Science Fair in 1978!

  Fast forward many years, an Air Force flying career followed by a major airline job, and I finally had the opportunity to build a permanent observatory on my property. At this point, I owned several telescopes, the largest of them a black tube C-14 that came on a CI-700 mount. Of course that mount was undersized for the C-14, so I bought a Losmandy Titan mounted on a custom-made pier. This was in my first observatory, along with a 12’ Meade LX-200.attachicon.gif gallery_295172_24420_340163.jpg

To this day, the best views I’ve ever had of Jupiter were with the C-14, It was an optical gem. Unfortunately, my personal life went through some monumental changes, so I wound up with no observatory and sold most of my telescopes in my possession at the time, with the exception of an Astrophysics F/9 152 from the late 80s. The picture you see is the only one I have of the observatory. I thought it was a clever design.Several years later as the airline industry recovered from 9-11 and bankruptcy wages, I was in a position to build another observatory in the Texas Hill Country. As I started planning the build, I pretty much went crazy and decided to attach a roll-off roof to an Exploradome II dome. It was a monumental task, and even though I had some help with the build, I would find myself at times anxious, thinking about all the tasks I still had to complete. I finally “completed” the building, and mounted an AG Optical 17” IDK on a Paramount MEII under the dome, along with a custom-made AG Optical 12.5” F/5.5 Newtonian, with carbon fiber tube and Zerodur primary mounted on an iOptron CEM 120 mount.attachicon.gif gallery_295172_23865_1969.jpg                                                                            I was really in business now, or so I thought. COVID-19 came to Texas, and it got pretty ugly at the airline biz-so ugly for me that when I got an early retirement offer, I jumped on it. Unfortunately, that meant that another move was in store, so say goodbye to observatory #2. I sold my Texas house, and moved back to Alabama in 2021, bringing my 17” and 12.5” along with me. Now It’s 2024, another observatory is underway-this time it is a “simple” 12 x 16’ roll-off, with 3 piers for a 14” Meade ACF F/8, a C-11, and a smaller pier for smaller telescopes. I sold the 17” and 12.5” thinking I would never build a big observatory again. Where I live I have OK skies, but the humidity is higher than in Texas, and the number of clear nights is fewer by far. So I’m more in planet mode than deep sky at this point!

attachicon.gif gallery_295172_23865_431567.jpg

 

A great read Jim,thank you for sharing this about yourself.

 

 

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Please post a live link to the item.  Do not post "PM me for the link".Short discussions can take place about the items listed. When quoting a post, edit the quoted post to include only the part you are replying to. Do not post the entire ad text, or large blocks of it, without permission from the author.    Keep on topic,   please!

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You are one determined pilot! I want you in the pointy end when the SHTF!

 

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Posted 01 October 2024 - 10:19 AM

Nice looking Tasco 10TE-5:

 

https://www.ebay.com...:Bk9SR-bLvIrJZA

 

Price is a bit high.


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 10:24 AM

Nice looking Tasco 10TE-5:

 

https://www.ebay.com...:Bk9SR-bLvIrJZA

 

Price is a bit high.

That is in SUPERB shape - almost unused! The Tasco styrofoam is as flaky as granny's biscuits but here it is pristine. Price justified IMO!

 

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Posted 01 October 2024 - 12:31 PM

https://www.ebay.com...:Bk9SR_77jJLJZA

 

quantum 4  $2000 on ebay


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 02:56 PM

https://www.ebay.com...:Bk9SR_77jJLJZA

 

quantum 4  $2000 on ebay

I bet he would sell the Q4, Q6, the pos Research GradeTelescope, the incomplete Zeiss, the kludge Vernonscope, and the Leica transit all for $30k.  Ask nicely as this stuff is only worth about $8k-$10k and I am sure he needs a good profit.


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 03:25 PM

I bet he would sell the Q4, Q6, the pos Research GradeTelescope, the incomplete Zeiss, the kludge Vernonscope, and the Leica transit all for $30k.  Ask nicely as this stuff is only worth about $8k-$10k and I am sure he needs a good profit.

 

He does have a lot of interesting stuff.

 

E Howard and Co Astronomical Regulator movement with cast iron bracket, $4500

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195873114845

 

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Posted 01 October 2024 - 05:02 PM

I bet he would sell the Q4, Q6, the pos Research GradeTelescope, the incomplete Zeiss, the kludge Vernonscope, and the Leica transit all for $30k.  Ask nicely as this stuff is only worth about $8k-$10k and I am sure he needs a good profit.

Yeah, he has some rare stuff and is proud of it. Bought a Chromacor off him at absolute top dollar. Hard negotiator but very nice honest guy.


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 06:00 PM

I bet he would sell the Q4, Q6, the pos Research GradeTelescope, the incomplete Zeiss, the kludge Vernonscope, and the Leica transit all for $30k.  Ask nicely as this stuff is only worth about $8k-$10k and I am sure he needs a good profit.

He doesn't have any stuffed animals.

 

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Posted 01 October 2024 - 06:35 PM

Yeah, he has some rare stuff and is proud of it. Bought a Chromacor off him at absolute top dollar. Hard negotiator but very nice honest guy.

Great to hear.  



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Posted 01 October 2024 - 07:24 PM

You are one determined pilot! I want you in the pointy end when the SHTF!

 

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Sorry but I be retired. .. . lol.gif flowerred.gif


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 07:38 PM

hey, muddy shoes... Dean Martin & Roger Miller Part 1Dean Martin & Roger Miller Part 2 take your mind off things...



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Posted 01 October 2024 - 07:40 PM

Glad to hear you're okay Chas.

Stressed out.  Power back on.


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 08:01 PM

Miller Innsbruck brand brass telescope with three Eps on a turret, auction in Bloomington, MN

 

https://hibid.com/lo...pe?ref=lot-list

 

12" ASTROMAK Mak, auction in Clearwater, FL

 

https://hibid.com/lo...pe?ref=lot-list

 

Tecnar By Swift Satellite Telescope, auction in East Freetown, MA

 

https://www.ebay.com...emis&media=COPY


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 08:59 PM

Stressed out.  Power back on.

Power makes a big difference.



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Posted 01 October 2024 - 09:41 PM

I bet he would sell the Q4, Q6, the pos Research GradeTelescope, the incomplete Zeiss, the kludge Vernonscope, and the Leica transit all for $30k.  Ask nicely as this stuff is only worth about $8k-$10k and I am sure he needs a good profit.

Seller rejects fair offers, look closely at scope pics, eyepiece and scope is dirty, signs of oxidation on aluminum.  No case or power cord at least $500 over priced IMO.  Seller has posted on CN and has listed some of the collection in classifieds at times.  Been for sale for 2y and probably will stay that way...


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Posted 01 October 2024 - 10:37 PM

Seller rejects fair offers, look closely at scope pics, eyepiece and scope is dirty, signs of oxidation on aluminum.  No case or power cord at least $500 over priced IMO.  Seller has posted on CN and has listed some of the collection in classifieds at times.  Been for sale for 2y and probably will stay that way...

His Ebay feedback score isn't that good either.


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Posted 02 October 2024 - 06:38 AM

https://zenmarket.jp...de=h1155117806 

 

Vixen 102mm ota buy out $87. Should be under $300. delivered.



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Posted 02 October 2024 - 07:59 AM

 

 

12" ASTROMAK Mak, auction in Clearwater, FL

 

https://hibid.com/lo...pe?ref=lot-list

 

 

You don't see many 12" Astromaks come up. I believe there were only 17 made.  A 12" F5 Mak. And this one looks like a beautiful example. I believe these were made as large format film astrographs. With a large secondary obstruction, I wonder how they work visually? Back in the 80s, I think S&T had an article about them – I'll have to check. 

 

Bob


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Posted 02 October 2024 - 08:28 AM

I have done quite a bit of work with several different Cats including several with large COs. My experience has been that the effect of the size of the CO is not overly significant. The larger COs pump more light out into the diffraction rings which can actually give the illusion of a sharper image, but overall, it’s not a big effect. The more important factors include good optics, collimation, and acclimation.



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Posted 02 October 2024 - 08:29 AM

You don't see many 12" Astromaks come up. I believe there were only 17 made.  A 12" F5 Mak. And this one looks like a beautiful example. I believe these were made as large format film astrographs. With a large secondary obstruction, I wonder how they work visually? Back in the 80s, I think S&T had an article about them – I'll have to check. 

 

Bob

It's HUGE, > 40%, where it really does start to rob contrast in visual use. Here's an Aberrator simulation of the Airy pattern. The optics are assumed perfect - the first ring is very bright.

 

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Posted 02 October 2024 - 08:44 AM

https://www.cloudyni...plet-refractor/

 

Oldy but goodie.   $320 on CN



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Posted 02 October 2024 - 09:11 AM

Yep, looks about right, except that my seeing (or light grasp) would never support that much magnification. About the only effect that I have ever seen with a large CO (up to 50%) is that after a while the sharp first diffraction ring around bright stars is noticeable. Other than that, nanda. If I recall right the HST has a fairly large CO. Seems to work okay. :)

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Posted 02 October 2024 - 11:40 AM

Yep, looks about right, except that my seeing (or light grasp) would never support that much magnification. About the only effect that I have ever seen with a large CO (up to 50%) is that after a while the sharp first diffraction ring around bright stars is noticeable. Other than that, nanda. If I recall right the HST has a fairly large CO. Seems to work okay. smile.gif

So does the HiRISE Camera on Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, and it's neatly taking images with 25 cm (on the ground) pixels.

 

If I had the time, and won the bidding, I'd fly to FL, rent a van, and drive that puppy to Cosmic Acres.  All I'd need would be something like a Fuji GFX100S or a Hasselblad X2D and I'd be good to go!

 

I remember seeing the mounts at RTMC multi moons ago.  Very substantial mounts.

 

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