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#1 ClownPants

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Posted 04 October 2024 - 09:02 AM

Hi y'all, I'm in PA right now and I had a trip in the works for tonight with the hope of seeing the Aurora this far south after the solar flare. Unfortunately, the odds of the aurora being visible here are looking slim, but it's still a gorgeous night out and I think a trip with my friends (all first-time stargazers) could be a great experience.

I really want them to feel the same wonder that I feel when stargazing, but I'm not entirely sure how to guide their viewing. Are there certain objects of interest I should point out, or should I let them just sit and take in the bigger picture? I'm working with just naked-eye viewing and a single pair of 10x50 binoculars, so my only thoughts are to show them Andromeda and the Pleiades. Any advice will help!



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Posted 04 October 2024 - 09:10 AM

Hi y'all, I'm in PA right now and I had a trip in the works for tonight with the hope of seeing the Aurora this far south after the solar flare. Unfortunately, the odds of the aurora being visible here are looking slim, but it's still a gorgeous night out and I think a trip with my friends (all first-time stargazers) could be a great experience.

I really want them to feel the same wonder that I feel when stargazing, but I'm not entirely sure how to guide their viewing. Are there certain objects of interest I should point out, or should I let them just sit and take in the bigger picture? I'm working with just naked-eye viewing and a single pair of 10x50 binoculars, so my only thoughts are to show them Andromeda and the Pleiades. Any advice will help!

Q: What will be your Bortle zone? This will help with possible targets (but Andromeda and the Pleiades are a great start!).

 

Also, is there any way that you could get even like an 80mm refractor? Or, and this is ideal, a 6” reflector?



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Posted 04 October 2024 - 09:18 AM

Q: What will be your Bortle zone? This will help with possible targets (but Andromeda and the Pleiades are a great start!).

 

Also, is there any way that you could get even like an 80mm refractor? Or, and this is ideal, a 6” reflector?

We're going to a site that's bortle 4. I can ask around my astronomy department to see if anyone has a refractor I can borrow, but I think it's unlikely on such short notice. I think I can confidently say there's no chance I can get my hands on a reflector for certain; it's a college campus so people don't tend to bring such large objects.



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Posted 04 October 2024 - 09:26 AM

We're going to a site that's bortle 4. I can ask around my astronomy department to see if anyone has a refractor I can borrow, but I think it's unlikely on such short notice. I think I can confidently say there's no chance I can get my hands on a reflector for certain; it's a college campus so people don't tend to bring such large objects.

Oh well, a 10x50 pair of binoculars can still show some pretty fabulous objects! At B4 skies, I would recommend the following: M13, M27, M31 (of course), MAYBE M33 (?), M8, M16, M17 (yes, those are all still up from ~8-10 P.M.), the Wild Duck cluster, and the Double Cluster. I would have a couple more recommendations, but how long will you guys be staying up?

 

BTW, I would get a 6-8” Dobsonian for next time, they are absolutely incredible, especially in B4 skies! (You can get them pretty cheap (like $400-$600) on Marketplace, and the Classified section here on CN might have a few as well).


Edited by TheStarsabove, 04 October 2024 - 09:26 AM.

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Posted 04 October 2024 - 09:31 AM

Those binocs will easily show the 4 bright moons of Jupiter, if y'all are out that late.


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Posted 04 October 2024 - 09:47 AM

also, M24, M22, Auriga Clusters, M35, M42, M81/M82.....

 

Basically, depending on your views, and if you will be out all night here is the plan:

 

In the early evening sweep up the Milky Way (from Ptolemy Cluster thru M11, picking up M8, M22, M24, M17, M16) then go to M13, then up to Albireo, Coat Hangar, M27, all the way to North America (if you can take nebula filters), then go to M31, then Mirfak and Mellote 20 sweep up those to Double Cluster, then can go to M45 Pleiades, then head to Auriga Clusters (M36, M37, M38), then M35, then M42, then M81/M82 just before sunrise.

 

Ensure you have SkySafari Pro loaded on your iphones.

 

Of cousre there is even more to see with experienced eyes, but that is a good start.

 

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Posted 04 October 2024 - 10:13 AM

 I would have a couple more recommendations, but how long will you guys be staying up?

I'm thinking we may be out there until 1am at the latest. I appreciate all the recommendations!



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Posted 04 October 2024 - 10:14 AM

Those binocs will easily show the 4 bright moons of Jupiter, if y'all are out that late.

I forgot Jupiter is out at a decent time, that'll be really exciting!



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Posted 04 October 2024 - 10:15 AM

I'm thinking we may be out there until 1am at the latest. I appreciate all the recommendations!

Oh goodness! Well I would recommend a few more targets: M42, M78, M1 (that will be hard, though), and I am sure that there are others as well (it has been forever since I have observed in that part of the sky).

 

Oh, and I see you have an 8" Skywatcher Dobsonian? Why don't you take that out with you?!?!


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Posted 04 October 2024 - 10:25 AM

Oh, and I see you have an 8" Skywatcher Dobsonian? Why don't you take that out with you?!?!

I live in Dallas but I go to school in PA. Unfortunately I usually have to fly up here so I haven't been able to take it with me, but I'm seriously considering driving up sometime because I would love to use it in such dark skies.



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Posted 04 October 2024 - 10:31 AM

I'd recommend bringing some lightweight folding lawn chairs, especially for binocular viewing. Or even blankets for people to sit or lay down on. Nothing worse than straining your neck. Lyra and Cygnus at zenith early evening right now is spectacular under a darker sky with binoculars.


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Posted 04 October 2024 - 12:40 PM

Or a parallelogram mount so you can point the binocs and leave 'em pointed for the others to look through.


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Posted 04 October 2024 - 12:48 PM

Just get them where it's dark and look up....



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Posted 04 October 2024 - 04:52 PM

Under those circumstances, I would concentrate on naked-eye astronomy.  How many stars can your guests see in the Pleiades?  Guide them to the different constellations that are prominent at the time of your get together.  Share the names of the brighter stars, and perhaps the meanings of some of those names.  Share constellation stories.  How about one of the Native American stories about the Pleiades and Devil's Tower?

 

Have the guests look around to see if they notice colors in any of the stars.  If they do, explain why this star or that star has that color (a temperature thing).  Betelgeuse is a great star to cover -- lots of information is available to share about Betelgeuse.  Point out the Milky Way and explain why it looks like it does from our vantage point.  Tell them we're inside that galaxy as is our solar system and all the stars that they can see.

 

Point out the zodiacal constellations.  Mention the ecliptic that runs through them and its significance when it comes to the apparent travels of the sun, moon, and planets.  People were aware of such things long before the invention of the telescope.

 

Point out satellites.  Explain why the satellites that they see traveling eastward in the evening sky fade from sight.  Have them keep an eye out for meteors.

 

Point out how they can determine which direction North is by the stars.

 

Let them know that they don't need binoculars or a telescope to enjoy the night sky.  There have been plenty of historic astronomers prior to the invention of the telescope.  Planets were known to be different from stars in their apparent motions -- thus referring to them as "planets" ("wanderers" amongst the "fixed" stars) -- again, long before the telescope was invented.

 

When I've used a small telescope with a group of people, I've generally worked to keep all those not looking through the telescope occupied with stuff like the above.  It can get pretty boring pretty fast waiting to get a turn at looking through a pair of binoculars or a telescope.  You kind of have to be the ringleader or master of ceremonies in a circus working to keep everyone entertained smile.gif .

 

There's more than enough for them to see with their own bare, naked, eyeballs.  Even the object that we now know as the Great Andromeda Galaxy was known about long before the invention of the telescope, though no one had any clue as to just what that hazy little patch of light really was back in those days.


Edited by Sketcher, 04 October 2024 - 04:55 PM.

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Posted 04 October 2024 - 07:53 PM

I agree with Sketcher again.   You can talk about the things in the constellation that they can see with binoculars a bit but you need to keep everyone engaged.   When my first mentors took our club out we were lucky to have 2 telescopes and a pair of binoculars among ten teenagers.  What Sketcher describes is almost exactly what they did with us.  People not at the eyepiece were learning naked eye stuff.  



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Posted 04 October 2024 - 11:54 PM

,,I really want them to feel the same wonder that I feel when stargazing, but I'm not entirely sure how to guide their viewing.

Always have a Green Laser pointer in hand,,,


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Posted 05 October 2024 - 12:28 AM

The following would be some of the DSOs and asterisms that I would show novices: Collinder 399 (the Coathanger), the Golf Putter asterism, IC 4665, Kemble 1 (Kemble's Cascade), Melotte 20 (the Alpha Persei Cluster), Melotte 25 (the Hyades), M13, M31 (the Andromeda Galaxy), M34, M39, M42 (the Orion Nebula) and the Belt of Orion, M45 (the Pleiades, the Seven Sisters, Subaru), NGC 869 and NGC 884 (the Double Cluster), and Stock 2 (the Muscleman Cluster).


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Posted 10 October 2024 - 01:29 PM

Print out copies of the monthly star map for them. It's found here:https://skymaps.com/downloads.html

 

Has LOTS of good info, including naked eye objects like M31, The Double Cluster, and M42 ( depending on how dark it is :-)  )

 

Good luck!

 

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